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« on: December 28, 2006, 12:53:29 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oZGYb92isE

I guess Fox and Disney were right. They wouldn't join with HD-DVD due to the potential for it to be cracked. While this is great for the end user....it pretty much ensures that Disney and Fox will never be on board and will hurt HD-DVD in the long run, IMO.

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2006, 01:22:53 PM »

Can't watch youtube from work, but to comment on Disney and Fox...  I imagine they'll start making HD DVD should that win out in the battle, cracked format or not.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2006, 01:25:20 PM »

So by that logic, the PS3 getting busted open so you can rip games on it, pretty much dooms it also, right? Did the fact that people can use DVD Shrink/Decrypter and Nero to make "backups copies" of my DVD's hurt DVD?

This is small potatoes and will have a thimble full of effect on the future of next gen DVD. Besides, Fox was never going to do HD DVD anyway, but Disney will if the format wins, mark it down.

Did anyone REALLY doubt that this wouldn't eventually happen? If they got HD DVD now, then Blu Ray, draconian copy protection and all, will be next.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2006, 01:31:37 PM »

To put this into perspective....from the AVS thread on this issue:

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If we take a step back and think about this for a moment we will see that it is virtually impossible to create a method of encryption that cannot be broken.

Consider the following:

WMA encryption - Broken
WGA activation - Broken
DVD encryption - Broken
Vista Activation Protection - Broken
128bit SSL - Broken
MD5 - Broken

I can go on, but there will never be a method that will provide the protection they want. I have said it many times before and I'll say it again, "If a man can create it then a man can break it".

I think that sums it up perfectly.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2006, 01:51:40 PM »

Additional info:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2006/12/27/454492.aspx

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No, AACS Was Not Cracked
All that happened was the method Cyberlink to decrypt AACS used was semi-compromised.  Their implemention kept the key in memory, a key which is needed to legally decrypt the content protection.  What is likely going to happen is that specific key will be revoked, and Cyberlink will have to issue an update in order to play newer titles.  CSS didn't have a good way to revoke the keys, AACS does.

Waiting to see what Cyberlink and AACS said happened, but I don't see that AACS was cracked.


Sorry to rain on your parade Hetz.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2006, 01:56:20 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 01:51:40 PM

Additional info:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2006/12/27/454492.aspx

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No, AACS Was Not Cracked
All that happened was the method Cyberlink to decrypt AACS used was semi-compromised.  Their implemention kept the key in memory, a key which is needed to legally decrypt the content protection.  What is likely going to happen is that specific key will be revoked, and Cyberlink will have to issue an update in order to play newer titles.  CSS didn't have a good way to revoke the keys, AACS does.

Waiting to see what Cyberlink and AACS said happened, but I don't see that AACS was cracked.


Sorry to rain on your parade Hetz.

You are not raining on my parade. Fox and Disney will have all the justification in the world now for their stance against HD-DVD since this happened so quickly. All this does is cement the fact that Disney will not be coming over anytime soon.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2006, 02:01:01 PM »

I think you need to read the info again. The encryption wasn't cracked.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2006, 02:20:59 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 02:01:01 PM

I think you need to read the info again. The encryption wasn't cracked.

Yes, but it was compromised. Very easily, I might add.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2006, 02:23:52 PM »

Keep reading Hetz.

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What is likely going to happen is that specific key will be revoked, and Cyberlink will have to issue an update in order to play newer titles.  CSS didn't have a good way to revoke the keys, AACS does.

I think your love for Blu-Ray is making you see this through "Blu" colored glasses. This is NOT a crack, so even your title is blatantly misleading.
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2006, 03:36:52 PM »

OMG IT'S DOOMED
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2006, 03:42:50 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 02:23:52 PM

Keep reading Hetz.

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What is likely going to happen is that specific key will be revoked, and Cyberlink will have to issue an update in order to play newer titles.  CSS didn't have a good way to revoke the keys, AACS does.

I think your love for Blu-Ray is making you see this through "Blu" colored glasses. This is NOT a crack, so even your title is blatantly misleading.


Agreed.

What happened is no different than a Windows virus. Sure, it may cause some problems, but they send out a patch and fix it up and we are as good as new for the time being. It doesn't mean Windows is cracked or broken (as much as some people would like you to think) it is just a temporary problem.
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM »

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2006, 04:09:16 PM »

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/

Clearly both are fucked then.  BACK TO LASERDISC.

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2006, 04:09:31 PM »

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/

Except that Blu-Ray added another layer of encryption called BD+, to protect against this sort of thing. That was the extra protection that got Fox and Disney on board. It involves the manufacturing of the discs themselves., like a watermark, which is why this program won't work on Blu-Ray. It will be very tough to get around, but I am sure it will eventually be cracked somehow.
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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2006, 04:15:13 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 04:09:31 PM

It will be very tough to get around

Why do you think it will be tough to get around?
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2006, 04:28:40 PM »

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 04:15:13 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 04:09:31 PM

It will be very tough to get around

Why do you think it will be tough to get around?

Because he loves Blu-Ray, its his preferred format.
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2006, 04:31:06 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 04:09:31 PM

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/

Except that Blu-Ray added another layer of encryption called BD+, to protect against this sort of thing. That was the extra protection that got Fox and Disney on board. It involves the manufacturing of the discs themselves., like a watermark, which is why this program won't work on Blu-Ray. It will be very tough to get around, but I am sure it will eventually be cracked somehow.

Oh how many times I have heard something won't be cracked, etc. Hetz, please at least be unbiased here and view this objectively.....it will be cracked, these things are ALWAYS cracked, people are much too smart. I know you think the sun rises and sets with BR, but please, be fair here.
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2006, 04:31:59 PM »

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 04:09:16 PM

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/

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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2006, 04:32:49 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on December 28, 2006, 04:31:59 PM

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 04:09:16 PM

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/

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Now that's just silly.

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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2006, 04:39:57 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on December 28, 2006, 04:31:59 PM

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 04:09:16 PM

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2006, 04:41:08 PM »

Some additional information:

http://www.aacsla.com/what/how_aacs_works/

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For content providers, content aggregators, and device manufacturers, Advanced Access Content System will present opportunities for new distribution and business models, while improving functionality and interactivity for the consumer. For example, in addition to prerecorded optical disc support, Advanced Access Content System is being designed to support the ability to make recordings of content, as authorized. Additionally, the technology will support expanded flexibility in accessing, managing and, through interoperability, transferring content within a standalone or networked environment. Using advanced, proven cryptographic methods, AACS is flexible enough to interoperate with content protection technologies to enable consumers, to the extent authorized, to save licensed, protected copies of prerecorded movie titles onto home media server hard drives or authorized media while preventing unauthorized reproduction and distribution of next-generation optical media.

They even admit that its flexible enough that it allows the consumer some inroads into working with backups. Again, there is no real issue with it being cracked because it wasn't cracked.

Who developed AACS?

IBM
Intel
Microsoft
Toshiba
Panasonic
Sony
Disney
Warner Bros.
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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2006, 04:48:54 PM »

MovieDiscs?
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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM »

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM »

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

Okay folks, keep down the flames against each other. We don't need another thread like we did in the past.

So, from what I'm reading (I think) is that the groups somehow brute force cracked a 'cd-key' which allows them to decrypt the disc. Doesn't that mean that they can just do it again?

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?
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« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2006, 05:30:00 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

Okay folks, keep down the flames against each other. We don't need another thread like we did in the past.

So, from what I'm reading (I think) is that the groups somehow brute force cracked a 'cd-key' which allows them to decrypt the disc. Doesn't that mean that they can just do it again?

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?

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The DRM is not broken by this. He implemented the decryption algorithm which, as far as I know, is publically available and not a secret. You still can't access the content without knowing the key. The key is (supposed to be) hidden in the hardware (or software). And if a key is compromised it can be revoked (future titles won't play on the device where you got the key from).


I would imagine the software will be force patched though, preventing this, but in any case, it looks as though once that is done, future movies wouldn't play on that device.

EDIT - I'm not "flaming" anyone, as much as I am just trying to refute some intentional misinformation, so people don't get the wrong idea and think "OMG HD DVD IS DOOMED!!!!!11111". This entire "incident" is a grain of sand on the Omaha Beach of next-gen DVD wars, it will not make or break the race, for either side.
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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2006, 05:44:48 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 04:31:06 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 04:09:31 PM

Quote from: happydog on December 28, 2006, 03:52:34 PM

Well it turns out that what was "cracked" was the AACS which is used by both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/aacs-drm-cracked-by-backuphddvd-tool/

Except that Blu-Ray added another layer of encryption called BD+, to protect against this sort of thing. That was the extra protection that got Fox and Disney on board. It involves the manufacturing of the discs themselves., like a watermark, which is why this program won't work on Blu-Ray. It will be very tough to get around, but I am sure it will eventually be cracked somehow.

Oh how many times I have heard something won't be cracked, etc. Hetz, please at least be unbiased here and view this objectively.....it will be cracked, these things are ALWAYS cracked, people are much too smart. I know you think the sun rises and sets with BR, but please, be fair here.

Learn to read better....thanks.

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« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2006, 05:47:06 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 05:30:00 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

Okay folks, keep down the flames against each other. We don't need another thread like we did in the past.

So, from what I'm reading (I think) is that the groups somehow brute force cracked a 'cd-key' which allows them to decrypt the disc. Doesn't that mean that they can just do it again?

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?

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The DRM is not broken by this. He implemented the decryption algorithm which, as far as I know, is publically available and not a secret. You still can't access the content without knowing the key. The key is (supposed to be) hidden in the hardware (or software). And if a key is compromised it can be revoked (future titles won't play on the device where you got the key from).


I would imagine the software will be force patched though, preventing this, but in any case, it looks as though once that is done, future movies wouldn't play on that device.

EDIT - I'm not "flaming" anyone, as much as I am just trying to refute some intentional misinformation, so people don't get the wrong idea and think "OMG HD DVD IS DOOMED!!!!!11111". This entire "incident" is a grain of sand on the Omaha Beach of next-gen DVD wars, it will not make or break the race, for either side.


Wow....I can almost feel your blood pressure rising in the text of your posts!  :icon_eek:

If HD-DVD dies, who cares? Why do you need to so vigorously defend it?
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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2006, 05:48:19 PM »

Do I need to post a few quotes where you missed some info? I'll be glad to if need be.
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2006, 05:50:50 PM »

Whatever you do, jblank.....don't go to this link! Or, if you do, maybe you should take a Xanax first....   icon_wink

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Video_Clips/High-Def_Disc_Marketing/Video:_New_Blu-ray_TV_Commercial/391

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« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2006, 05:51:11 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 05:47:06 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 05:30:00 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

Okay folks, keep down the flames against each other. We don't need another thread like we did in the past.

So, from what I'm reading (I think) is that the groups somehow brute force cracked a 'cd-key' which allows them to decrypt the disc. Doesn't that mean that they can just do it again?

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?

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The DRM is not broken by this. He implemented the decryption algorithm which, as far as I know, is publically available and not a secret. You still can't access the content without knowing the key. The key is (supposed to be) hidden in the hardware (or software). And if a key is compromised it can be revoked (future titles won't play on the device where you got the key from).


I would imagine the software will be force patched though, preventing this, but in any case, it looks as though once that is done, future movies wouldn't play on that device.

EDIT - I'm not "flaming" anyone, as much as I am just trying to refute some intentional misinformation, so people don't get the wrong idea and think "OMG HD DVD IS DOOMED!!!!!11111". This entire "incident" is a grain of sand on the Omaha Beach of next-gen DVD wars, it will not make or break the race, for either side.


Wow....I can almost feel your blood pressure rising in the text of your posts!  :icon_eek:

If HD-DVD dies, who cares? Why do you need to so vigorously defend it?

HILARITY ENSUES!!!! Coming from you, the Vice-President of Propoganda for Sony, that is hilarious. Tell me, what are they paying you? Free movies? Games? Because if I need to, I can show some examples of your outright fanboyness and allegiance to the Rootkit boys, that make my defense of HD DVD look pale.

Also, since when is defending something from outright lies and mis/disinformation, a bad thing? Tell ya what, you stop trying to shove the knife in HD DVD every chance you get, and I will stop pointing out where you are wrong. Deal?
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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2006, 05:52:41 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 05:50:50 PM

Whatever you do, jblank.....don't go to this link! Or, if you do, maybe you should take a Xanax first....   icon_wink

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Video_Clips/High-Def_Disc_Marketing/Video:_New_Blu-ray_TV_Commercial/391

The Blu-Ray ad assault has begun....

 saywhat And that proves what? That they are advertising? Uh, ok, yeah, I figured they would, good for them, I have seen them, but that doesn't mean just because they are making commercials that they win.
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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2006, 05:53:32 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 05:51:11 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 05:47:06 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 05:30:00 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

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Okay folks, keep down the flames against each other. We don't need another thread like we did in the past.

So, from what I'm reading (I think) is that the groups somehow brute force cracked a 'cd-key' which allows them to decrypt the disc. Doesn't that mean that they can just do it again?

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?

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The DRM is not broken by this. He implemented the decryption algorithm which, as far as I know, is publically available and not a secret. You still can't access the content without knowing the key. The key is (supposed to be) hidden in the hardware (or software). And if a key is compromised it can be revoked (future titles won't play on the device where you got the key from).


I would imagine the software will be force patched though, preventing this, but in any case, it looks as though once that is done, future movies wouldn't play on that device.

EDIT - I'm not "flaming" anyone, as much as I am just trying to refute some intentional misinformation, so people don't get the wrong idea and think "OMG HD DVD IS DOOMED!!!!!11111". This entire "incident" is a grain of sand on the Omaha Beach of next-gen DVD wars, it will not make or break the race, for either side.


Wow....I can almost feel your blood pressure rising in the text of your posts!  :icon_eek:

If HD-DVD dies, who cares? Why do you need to so vigorously defend it?

HILARITY ENSUES!!!! Coming from you, the Vice-President of Propoganda for Sony, that is hilarious. Tell me, what are they paying you? Free movies? Games? Because if I need to, I can show some examples of your outright fanboyness and allegiance to the Rootkit boys, that make my defense of HD DVD look pale.

Also, since when is defending something from outright lies and mis/disinformation, a bad thing? Tell ya what, you stop trying to shove the knife in HD DVD every chance you get, and I will stop pointing out where you are wrong. Deal?

Outright lies!?? What are they paying me??

OMG, this is priceless....   icon_lol  icon_lol
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« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2006, 05:54:03 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

I try to use humor to defuse the situation, but doesn't always work. icon_wink

And to be clear, I wasn't pointing fingers at trolls or flamers necessarily, but the thread (like so many others involving the 360/PS3 or HD-DVD/Blu-Ray controversy in particular) is pretty heavy on the back-and-forth biting.

And as jblank posted very early on in the thread, the real issue here is that this whole topic is a non-issue: pretty much every encryption method has been hacked and will be hacked. It's only a matter of time, and far less of it than any of the encryption/DRM proponents may claim.
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« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2006, 05:55:21 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?

Incidentally, those Keygens have not worked since XP SP2.
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« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2006, 05:58:35 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 05:53:32 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 05:51:11 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 05:47:06 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 05:30:00 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

Okay folks, keep down the flames against each other. We don't need another thread like we did in the past.

So, from what I'm reading (I think) is that the groups somehow brute force cracked a 'cd-key' which allows them to decrypt the disc. Doesn't that mean that they can just do it again?

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?

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The DRM is not broken by this. He implemented the decryption algorithm which, as far as I know, is publically available and not a secret. You still can't access the content without knowing the key. The key is (supposed to be) hidden in the hardware (or software). And if a key is compromised it can be revoked (future titles won't play on the device where you got the key from).


I would imagine the software will be force patched though, preventing this, but in any case, it looks as though once that is done, future movies wouldn't play on that device.

EDIT - I'm not "flaming" anyone, as much as I am just trying to refute some intentional misinformation, so people don't get the wrong idea and think "OMG HD DVD IS DOOMED!!!!!11111". This entire "incident" is a grain of sand on the Omaha Beach of next-gen DVD wars, it will not make or break the race, for either side.


Wow....I can almost feel your blood pressure rising in the text of your posts!  :icon_eek:

If HD-DVD dies, who cares? Why do you need to so vigorously defend it?

HILARITY ENSUES!!!! Coming from you, the Vice-President of Propoganda for Sony, that is hilarious. Tell me, what are they paying you? Free movies? Games? Because if I need to, I can show some examples of your outright fanboyness and allegiance to the Rootkit boys, that make my defense of HD DVD look pale.

Also, since when is defending something from outright lies and mis/disinformation, a bad thing? Tell ya what, you stop trying to shove the knife in HD DVD every chance you get, and I will stop pointing out where you are wrong. Deal?

Outright lies!?? What are they paying me??

OMG, this is priceless....   icon_lol  icon_lol

It was tounge in cheek, but considering how within the span of a week, you went from being just as ardent a defender of HD DVD as I am (if not more) to a Blu-Ray/Sony/PS3 apologist, it does look funny. Hey man, knock yourself out on the Blu-Ray bandwagon, be my guest, really, I mean that, but just stop lying about HD DVD and we'll get along fine. Taking every opportunity to bash the technology is only gonna cause us to butt heads, especially when the stuff you say is bogus, like saying it was "cracked".
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« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2006, 05:59:13 PM »

You sure about that Unbreakable?
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« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2006, 06:03:51 PM »

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:54:03 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

I try to use humor to defuse the situation, but doesn't always work. icon_wink

And to be clear, I wasn't pointing fingers at trolls or flamers necessarily, but the thread (like so many others involving the 360/PS3 or HD-DVD/Blu-Ray controversy in particular) is pretty heavy on the back-and-forth biting.

And as jblank posted very early on in the thread, the real issue here is that this whole topic is a non-issue: pretty much every encryption method has been hacked and will be hacked. It's only a matter of time, and far less of it than any of the encryption/DRM proponents may claim.

I agree, these threads are fire magnets, but only because of the way some of the information is presented. This is beating a dead horse, I agree, but I can't let someone lie about something I support, just sitting on my hands, so I comment about it. Maybe I have crossed the line on occasion, but I promise I don't come into any thread trying to toss matches.
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« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2006, 06:05:11 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on December 28, 2006, 05:55:21 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?
Incidentally, those Keygens have not worked since XP SP2.

I have a few friends who will tell you otherwise. Yes, Microsoft has put in a new check against their online database of CD-keys, but you just have to put in a downloaded .dll file to make WinXP think you've already 'verified' your installation of XP.
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