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« Reply #560 on: April 27, 2012, 04:13:21 PM »

As much as it pains me to say it, my pick at this point is Philly to win the cup, Claude Giroux wins the Conn Smythe.  Philly will be able to overcome the shaky goaltending they had against the pens, Giroux is a beast.
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« Reply #561 on: April 27, 2012, 04:16:50 PM »

Kopitar had better odds than Quick?  That's fucking ridiculous.
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« Reply #562 on: April 27, 2012, 04:22:20 PM »

From lakingsinsider.com, a statistical breakdown of the two teams and why everyone is convinced this series is going to be both close and boring.

Goals/game: Kings, 29th (2.29), Blues 21st (2.51)
Goals against/game: Kings 2nd (2.07), Blues 1st (1.89)
Power-play percentage: Kings T-16th (17.0), Blues T-18th (16.7)
Penalty-kill percentage: Kings 4th (87.0), Blues 7th (85.Cool
Penalty minutes/game: Kings 17th (11.3), Blues 27th (13.0)
Faceoff percentage: Kings 7th (51.6), Blues T-13th (50.4)
Hits: Kings 2nd (2,274), Blues 12th (1,949)
Blocked shots: Kings 29th (969), Blues 17th (1,120)

The advantages for each team:
Blues - much better GFA and GAA.  Blocked shots.
Kings - Take less penalties, give more hits, win more faceoffs.
Everything else - virtually identical.
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« Reply #563 on: April 27, 2012, 07:22:11 PM »

Rangers
Flyers   icon_frown
Blues
Preds
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« Reply #564 on: April 27, 2012, 07:34:34 PM »

Oh I suppose I should make picks.

Rangers in 6
Flyers in 5
Kings in 4 (lulz)
Preds in 6
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« Reply #565 on: April 27, 2012, 08:00:11 PM »

Man the match-ups are as bad in the 2nd round as the 1st. I almost feel more comfortable predicting the AHL conference semi-final, despite knowing very little about that league. I'm watched very few regular season games between the final 8. I have a lot of faith in Hitch, so I'll predict Blues over the Kings, but it'll go the distance. I'd love for the Devils to beat the Flyers, but I don't see that happening.

Blues 7
Predators 5
Rangers 6
Flyers 6
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« Reply #566 on: April 27, 2012, 08:14:23 PM »

I'll bite.

Blues in 6
Flyers in 5
Rangers in 5
Preds in 7
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« Reply #567 on: April 27, 2012, 08:45:38 PM »

Tickets purchased for Game 3.  This is getting expensive.
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« Reply #568 on: April 28, 2012, 04:45:09 AM »

I have to feel bad for Nashville after that one. Completely dominated Phoenix in every possible way the last 30+ min and then the Yotes score on a little dribbler.
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« Reply #569 on: April 28, 2012, 02:06:18 PM »

Quote from: gellar on April 27, 2012, 04:22:20 PM


Penalty-kill percentage: Kings 4th (87.0), Blues 7th (85.Cool


Just an FYI - at one point the Blues PK was 29th this season.  From February until the end of the regular season, the Blues PK was #1, so that particular number is probably a bit mis-leading.  At one point during that window, the Blues killed off 51 straight penalties - which is the 2nd longest PK streak in NHL history to the Caps 53.
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« Reply #570 on: April 28, 2012, 03:55:28 PM »

Quote from: theohall on April 28, 2012, 02:06:18 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 27, 2012, 04:22:20 PM


Penalty-kill percentage: Kings 4th (87.0), Blues 7th (85.Cool


Just an FYI - at one point the Blues PK was 29th this season.  From February until the end of the regular season, the Blues PK was #1, so that particular number is probably a bit mis-leading.  At one point during that window, the Blues killed off 51 straight penalties - which is the 2nd longest PK streak in NHL history to the Caps 53.


From the trade deadline till the end of the season, the Kings were the league's 2nd highest scoring team.  That's not really the point though - the stats are the stats.

BTW, the Kings during the season had two separate streaks of 30+ consecutive penalties killed.
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« Reply #571 on: April 28, 2012, 03:55:45 PM »

Quote from: Koz on April 28, 2012, 04:45:09 AM

I have to feel bad for Nashville after that one. Completely dominated Phoenix in every possible way the last 30+ min and then the Yotes score on a little dribbler.

That's pretty much how the Chicago series went too.
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« Reply #572 on: April 28, 2012, 04:08:18 PM »

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2012, 03:55:28 PM

Quote from: theohall on April 28, 2012, 02:06:18 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 27, 2012, 04:22:20 PM


Penalty-kill percentage: Kings 4th (87.0), Blues 7th (85.Cool


Just an FYI - at one point the Blues PK was 29th this season.  From February until the end of the regular season, the Blues PK was #1, so that particular number is probably a bit mis-leading.  At one point during that window, the Blues killed off 51 straight penalties - which is the 2nd longest PK streak in NHL history to the Caps 53.


From the trade deadline till the end of the season, the Kings were the league's 2nd highest scoring team. 

And were shutout twice by the Blues during that stretch losing 1-0 once and winning in a shootout 1-0 the 2nd time.  Blues shut down that improved offense - twice.  Of course, the Kings weren't letting the Blues score either, which is why this series is likely going to be very low scoring.
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« Reply #573 on: April 28, 2012, 04:41:22 PM »

Quote from: theohall on April 28, 2012, 04:08:18 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2012, 03:55:28 PM

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Penalty-kill percentage: Kings 4th (87.0), Blues 7th (85.Cool


Just an FYI - at one point the Blues PK was 29th this season.  From February until the end of the regular season, the Blues PK was #1, so that particular number is probably a bit mis-leading.  At one point during that window, the Blues killed off 51 straight penalties - which is the 2nd longest PK streak in NHL history to the Caps 53.


From the trade deadline till the end of the season, the Kings were the league's 2nd highest scoring team.

And were shutout twice by the Blues during that stretch losing 1-0 once and winning in a shootout 1-0 the 2nd time.  Blues shut down that improved offense - twice.  Of course, the Kings weren't letting the Blues score either, which is why this series is likely going to be very low scoring.

You are not good at this.  Trade deadline, Feb 27, 2012.  Blues shutout win in question, Feb 3, 2012.

http://kings.nhl.com/club/recap.htm?id=2011020764

Blues shutout loss in question was after the trade deadline.
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« Reply #574 on: April 28, 2012, 04:50:45 PM »

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2012, 04:41:22 PM

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Penalty-kill percentage: Kings 4th (87.0), Blues 7th (85.Cool


Just an FYI - at one point the Blues PK was 29th this season.  From February until the end of the regular season, the Blues PK was #1, so that particular number is probably a bit mis-leading.  At one point during that window, the Blues killed off 51 straight penalties - which is the 2nd longest PK streak in NHL history to the Caps 53.


From the trade deadline till the end of the season, the Kings were the league's 2nd highest scoring team.

And were shutout twice by the Blues during that stretch losing 1-0 once and winning in a shootout 1-0 the 2nd time.  Blues shut down that improved offense - twice.  Of course, the Kings weren't letting the Blues score either, which is why this series is likely going to be very low scoring.

You are not good at this.  Trade deadline, Feb 27, 2012.  Blues shutout win in question, Feb 3, 2012.

http://kings.nhl.com/club/recap.htm?id=2011020764

Blues shutout loss in question was after the trade deadline.
  My bad - thought they were both in March.
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« Reply #575 on: April 28, 2012, 04:51:26 PM »

An interesting question would be the Vegas over/under for shutouts in this series.
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« Reply #576 on: April 29, 2012, 02:03:51 AM »

LOL full ice goal.

Also Blues look sad to have to play a team who plays defense.
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« Reply #577 on: April 29, 2012, 02:04:38 AM »

WOOOO!
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« Reply #578 on: April 29, 2012, 02:21:08 AM »

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WOOOO!

Kings didn't earn it.  That was merely the VRWC at work.
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« Reply #579 on: April 29, 2012, 02:26:20 AM »

Quote from: ScubaV on April 29, 2012, 02:21:08 AM

Quote from: gellar on April 29, 2012, 02:04:38 AM

WOOOO!

Kings didn't earn it.  That was merely the VRWC at work.

WOOOOOO!
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« Reply #580 on: April 29, 2012, 02:54:37 AM »

Quote from: gellar on April 29, 2012, 02:26:20 AM

Quote from: ScubaV on April 29, 2012, 02:21:08 AM

Quote from: gellar on April 29, 2012, 02:04:38 AM

WOOOO!

Kings didn't earn it.  That was merely the VRWC at work.

WOOOOOO!

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« Reply #581 on: April 29, 2012, 05:48:51 PM »

So while I'm waiting for the theohallsplosion for the VICIOUS BOARD ON Pietrangelo that will likely cause him to miss at least game 2, here are my preemptive thoughts:

1) It should have been a major penalty.  Pretty incompetent of the refs not to call it.  It was a slightly reckless play on a player in a bad position (though Pietro has responsibility not to be in that bad position in the first place) that resulted in injury.  It reminds me a lot of the Zetterberg board during the regular season, actually.
2) It does not warrant supplementary discipline.
3) If it did, it's because Pietro's injured and King didn't get the 5 on the play.  So I'd be OK with a game or two for those reasons.
4) That won't happen because of the VRWC.
5) Sucks that Pietro's going to be out for a while, but that's hockey.
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« Reply #582 on: April 29, 2012, 05:49:31 PM »

Oh and

6) WOOOOOOOOOOO.
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« Reply #583 on: April 29, 2012, 05:51:53 PM »

Dammit, one more:

7) Jamie Storr and Sean O'Donnell say HELLO from 1998.
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« Reply #584 on: April 29, 2012, 07:44:35 PM »

Countdown to me wanting to kill Rinaldo commences!

Pierre McGuire terrified the Flyers might lose: "It's just rust out there for the Flyers. Just rust. They'll get everything together soon"

Yes, Pierre, just rust. Maybe the same rust the Penguins had, but don't you worry. The Rangers and Kings will still be there for some ratings.
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« Reply #585 on: April 29, 2012, 08:09:55 PM »

As NJ's goal was primarily due to a mistake by the Flyers trying to reverse the puck, and McGuire isn't the only one referencing "rust" as the primary issue plaguing Philadelphia and their sluggishness, your conspiracy theory is thin as best.

At least you have six other teams remaining in the playoffs to cheer for if this series doesn't work out.
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« Reply #586 on: April 29, 2012, 08:32:26 PM »

Oh oh...looks like Marty's overplaying the puck a bit. I missed the 1st Devil's goal, but that break-away by Briere was a beauty. I'm liking this game, but Kovy could help the Devil's cause better if he didn't make those wild centering passes with no teammates in sync with him.  icon_eek
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« Reply #587 on: April 29, 2012, 08:33:39 PM »

Please, Pete, you know as well as I do that if Philly went out and scored 4 in the first period the talk would have been all about how the Flyers had a jump in their step because of the REST that they had.

It's not about the Devils in this series (any series) it's about the Flyers.

Now you got the lead so the rust is gone...or is it?

Either way, I'm THRILLED the Devils are playing the Flyers regardless of the outcome of this game or series. This is the matchup I would have wanted given the choice of the remaining. Best matchup and easiest to beat.

Already playing better through half of one game than 7 of the last series.

...but that could just be the rust.

(you can also be damn sure I won't be cheering for the Rangers under any circumstances)
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« Reply #588 on: April 29, 2012, 08:38:09 PM »

Quote from: Devil on April 29, 2012, 08:33:39 PM

Please, Pete, you know as well as I do that if Philly went out and scored 4 in the first period the talk would have been all about how the Flyers had a jump in their step because of the REST that they had.

It's not about the Devils in this series (any series) it's about the Flyers.

For a second I thought I inadvertently clicked on the NFL thread.  If I didn't know better I'd say you were a 49ers fan lamenting the schedule.

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Now you got the lead so the rust is gone...or is it?

We usually have to go down 3 goals before getting started.  Has little to do with rust, more to do with Philadelphia's typical slow start.  Fortunately this time it only took 1.

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Either way, I'm THRILLED the Devils are playing the Flyers regardless of the outcome of this game or series. This is the matchup I would have wanted given the choice of the remaining. Best matchup and easiest to beat.

Already playing better through half of one game than 7 of the last series.

...but that could just be the rust.

It doesn't rain here.  What is this "rust" you speak of?

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« Reply #589 on: April 29, 2012, 08:42:49 PM »

Come on, Petesy, you didn't find McGuire making excuses for the Flyers in the first period a little strange? Who does that?

It IS like the NFL thread with whining about the schedule, but it's an announcer whining about a layoff.

It's tied now. Still rusty.
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« Reply #590 on: April 29, 2012, 08:45:23 PM »

Quote from: Devil on April 29, 2012, 08:42:49 PM

Come on, Petesy, you didn't find McGuire making excuses for the Flyers in the first period a little strange? Who does that?

Anything positive about a Philadelphia team is cause for alarm. 

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It IS like the NFL thread with whining about the schedule, but it's an announcer whining about a layoff.

I'm not sure McGuire is the one whining.

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It's tied now. Still rusty.

Must have been the long layoff.  They should pick back up soon.
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« Reply #591 on: April 29, 2012, 10:03:34 PM »

Lots of resiliency by the Devils in this game - 2 come backs and now overtime.  Damn, if Marty was 5 years younger the Flyers would've been begging for mercy in this one.  icon_razz
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« Reply #592 on: April 29, 2012, 10:11:42 PM »

Feel much better after this game than before.

FLA had stronger goaltending and defense than Philly.

Going into a hostile environment against a well-rested, heavy favorite and losing in OT on a PP Goal. A lot more positive than I thought I'd see.

Maybe not a loss just yet, but either way....

Now the loss. Oh well.
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« Reply #593 on: April 29, 2012, 10:18:07 PM »

Oh well, Flyers win. Nice goal by Briere and an even better screen - cute how he thought he was a soccer player on the disallowed one.  icon_razz
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« Reply #594 on: April 29, 2012, 10:39:40 PM »

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...well-rested...

You misspelled "rusted."   icon_wink
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« Reply #595 on: April 29, 2012, 11:49:36 PM »

I'm the anti-Pierre!

Going with well-rested, overpowering and dominant.

Philly beat the Penguins, and have now become the Peguins.

Only 2 of the "Prime 9" left.

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« Reply #596 on: April 30, 2012, 05:27:03 PM »

I'm surprised about the Predators-Coyotes game, as I really didn't see it being that high scoring. Man was that ever one fast paced game. I'm wondering if things might slow down in the remainder of the games?
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« Reply #597 on: April 30, 2012, 09:33:13 PM »

Quote from: gellar on April 29, 2012, 05:48:51 PM

So while I'm waiting for the theohallsplosion for the VICIOUS BOARD ON Pietrangelo that will likely cause him to miss at least game 2, here are my preemptive thoughts:

1) It should have been a major penalty.  Pretty incompetent of the refs not to call it.  It was a slightly reckless play on a player in a bad position (though Pietro has responsibility not to be in that bad position in the first place) that resulted in injury.  It reminds me a lot of the Zetterberg board during the regular season, actually.
2) It does not warrant supplementary discipline.
3) If it did, it's because Pietro's injured and King didn't get the 5 on the play.  So I'd be OK with a game or two for those reasons.
4) That won't happen because of the VRWC.
5) Sucks that Pietro's going to be out for a while, but that's hockey.

Thanks.  Kerry Fraser agrees it should have been a major and is really confused as to why it was not called one.

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In Game 1 of the Blues-Kings series, Los Angeles winger Dwight King shoved Blues defenceman Alex Pietrangelo into the boards behind the net and received two minutes for boarding.  As the video from the NBC Sports broadcast shows, Pietrangelo was clearly bleeding from the chin, the initial point of contact with the boards.  Apparently the ref was called over to the bench to examine the injury, but did not ammend the original call.  What gives?  Should this have been a major penalty?

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I did not like this illegal hit (video link) or the penalty assessment one bit. Even if there had been the absence of an injury to the chin of Alex Pietrangelo, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards a major penalty was warranted under rule 41.3—boarding and needed to be identified as such.  If this type of "check" from behind and resulting impact with the boards is only worthy of a minor penalty I am fearful for what it will take for a major infraction to be identified by the referees.

The only element that could be factored in and have prevented this hit from being qualified as a check from behind (rule 43—major and game misconduct) is the fact that Pietrangelo was able to raise his hands at the moment just prior to impact with the boards to offer some form of self-protection. Had Alex Pietrangelo been any closer to the boards when he was hit from behind by Dwight King with this velocity I doubt that he would have had sufficient time to defend himself in any capacity.  At that point Pietrangelo's face and head would have taken the full impact of this illegal check.

Once Alex Pietrangelo was at his bench it became obvious that an injury did result from the boarding infraction as was observed by the back referee Stephen Walkom.  It is most confusing to me why the initial boarding minor was not then changed to a major and game misconduct penalty as a result of the injury.  Rule 41.5 reads, "When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed."

Once blood became evident dripping down Pietrangelo's neck that resulted from a chin cut beneath the Blues defenceman's playoff growth the call became relatively academic at this point. A quick conference between the two referees should have been convened and the minor penalty initially assessed to King changed to major and game misconduct given the new evidence.

At this time of year when most players sport added facial hair it is best that the referee(s) not rush to judgment or to the penalty box to assess the penalty until it is clearly determined that no injury resulted on the play.  It can take extra time for the presence of blood (injury) to appear through leathered skin, old scar tissue and beards. I'm not talking about a player squeezing a pimple or similar efforts to draw a penalty but when a player's face contacts the boards there is a chance that injury may result.

In a previous column I wrote about the referees need to correctly identify the difference between minor and major infractions. In that article I cited 3 situations where minor penalties had been assessed and players were allowed to remain in the game only to be justly suspended by Brendan Shanahan after a review. I questioned whether the officials have become desensitized to many of the dangerous hits that take place or might just prefer to pass the final judgment upstairs to the Player Safety Committee.

The illegal hit that Dwight King delivered to the back of Alex Pietrangelo is for me, another example of the guys on the ice not differentiating between a minor boarding penalty and a legitimate major infraction that resulted in an injury to a player.

The poor decision that Dwight King made on taking Alex Pietrangelo hard into the end boards from behind was worthy of major penalty based on the degree of violence with the impact of the boards as the rule suggests. The fact that injury was eventually detected to the chin of Pietrangelo should have also resulted in the assessment a game misconduct.

The referees are the first line of defense when it comes to player safety. The refs' judgment and penalty assessment goes a long way in forcing players to make better decisions in the moment so they don't place their team at a disadvantage. Players need to know what constitutes the difference in their actions for the assessment of a minor or major infraction to result. So far the difference has been often clear as mud.

Before clarity can occur for the players it is imperative that the entire referee community needs to clearly know difference.  Not all of them do.

Interestingly, Steve Walkom, who was one of the referees in this game was also one of the referees who blew the call on the hit to Hossa.  Why TF is he still doing games at all?
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« Reply #598 on: May 01, 2012, 01:42:55 AM »

Kopitar wow
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« Reply #599 on: May 01, 2012, 01:56:56 AM »

Blues are completely imploding. Go Kings, go!!! icon_biggrin
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