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« Reply #1040 on: January 26, 2010, 03:35:07 AM »

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As a fellow Bengals fan, I wonder if we'll ever get our day like Saints fans are getting now.  I mean the Rams were awful, were great, and are now awful again, yet the Bengals still suck.  Hopefully this season is a step in the right direction, instead of a random good season in the middle of nowhere.

You've been to a Super Bowl before.  The Saints, to this point, had not.

Yeah, and they got their asses kicked Tongue

Twice!! *grumble grumble*
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« Reply #1041 on: January 26, 2010, 03:00:24 PM »

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So who thinks Favre is going to retire or come back? 

Given his history I expect him to do both.
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« Reply #1042 on: January 26, 2010, 04:39:05 PM »

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Quote from: leo8877 on January 26, 2010, 12:41:08 AM

So who thinks Favre is going to retire or come back?

Given his history I expect him to do both.

This is true.  smile  

I can't see him wanting to end on a sour note like that though.  It's gotta sting for him the way it ended.  
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« Reply #1043 on: January 26, 2010, 06:24:33 PM »

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Quote from: Moliere on January 26, 2010, 03:00:24 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on January 26, 2010, 12:41:08 AM

So who thinks Favre is going to retire or come back?

Given his history I expect him to do both.

This is true.  smile  

I can't see him wanting to end on a sour note like that though.  It's gotta sting for him the way it ended.  

I'd like to see one more time...but I DON'T want to see him waffle.  I think he should do what Kurt Warner does - which is seclude himself, think/talk through with his family...and then come out with his decision.  Don't make organization or fans suffer.
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« Reply #1044 on: January 26, 2010, 07:17:13 PM »

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I think he should do what Kurt Warner does - which is seclude himself, think/talk through with his family...and then come out with his decision. 

He consults his family? I thought god told him whether he should play or not.
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« Reply #1045 on: January 26, 2010, 07:32:32 PM »

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Quote from: leo8877 on January 26, 2010, 12:41:08 AM

So who thinks Favre is going to retire or come back? 

Given his history I expect him to do both.

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« Reply #1046 on: January 26, 2010, 08:42:57 PM »

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Quote from: Zero on January 26, 2010, 06:24:33 PM

I think he should do what Kurt Warner does - which is seclude himself, think/talk through with his family...and then come out with his decision. 

I thought god told him whether he should play or not.

I'm sure he does.
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« Reply #1047 on: January 27, 2010, 05:13:56 AM »

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I think he should do what Kurt Warner does - which is seclude himself, think/talk through with his family...and then come out with his decision. 

I thought god told him whether he should play or not.

I'm sure he does.

Nothing wrong with consulting God...and now back to the topic, this is the NFL thread.
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« Reply #1048 on: January 29, 2010, 08:13:32 PM »

Kurt Warner retires.
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« Reply #1049 on: January 29, 2010, 08:19:56 PM »

Niners are 2010 NFC West champs!
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« Reply #1050 on: January 29, 2010, 10:14:49 PM »

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Niners are 2010 NFC West champs!

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« Reply #1051 on: January 29, 2010, 10:33:25 PM »

Matt Leinart, 2010 MVP.

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« Reply #1052 on: January 29, 2010, 10:47:52 PM »

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Matt Leinart, 2010 MVP.



Funniest thing you've said in a long time.   icon_lol
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« Reply #1053 on: January 29, 2010, 11:04:12 PM »

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Quote from: gellar on January 29, 2010, 10:33:25 PM

Matt Leinart, 2010 MVP.



Funniest thing you've said in a long time.   icon_lol

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« Reply #1054 on: January 29, 2010, 11:25:06 PM »

If I'm right, I look like a FUCKING GENIUS.

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« Reply #1055 on: January 30, 2010, 02:06:44 AM »

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If I'm right, I look like a FUCKING GENIUS.

I'm thinking more like the guy who should have bought a lottery ticket!
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« Reply #1056 on: February 02, 2010, 04:40:13 PM »

Just saw that Dwight Freeney has a torn ligament in his right ankle.  That's a big loss for the Colts D.
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« Reply #1057 on: February 02, 2010, 04:51:05 PM »

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Just saw that Dwight Freeney has a torn ligament in his right ankle.  That's a big loss for the Colts D.

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« Reply #1058 on: February 02, 2010, 05:07:02 PM »

Man, I just can't wait for Sunday.  I know I am setting myself up for a huge disappointment, but even just getting to the Super Bowl is amazing for the Saints.
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« Reply #1059 on: February 02, 2010, 05:56:01 PM »

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Just saw that Dwight Freeney has a torn ligament in his right ankle.  That's a big loss for the Colts D.

Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Overrated.

Couldn't disagree more.

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« Reply #1060 on: February 02, 2010, 10:15:59 PM »

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Just saw that Dwight Freeney has a torn ligament in his right ankle.  That's a big loss for the Colts D.

Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Overrated.

Couldn't disagree more.

OK - I guess we disagree. I find him and Bob "Shins" Sanders the two most over-rated defensive players in the NFL.
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« Reply #1061 on: February 03, 2010, 01:50:41 AM »

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Just saw that Dwight Freeney has a torn ligament in his right ankle.  That's a big loss for the Colts D.

Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Overrated.

Couldn't disagree more.

OK - I guess we disagree. I find him and Bob "Shins" Sanders the two most over-rated defensive players in the NFL.

don't you also have personal bias vs the colts though?  that would obviously taint your objectivity to any of their players...
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« Reply #1062 on: February 03, 2010, 03:47:31 AM »

Not really. Don't love 'em, but think I can be objective.

Manning is an all-time great. They are an awesome franchise, but I think they get WAY too little criticism.

You just don't say bad things about the Colts, it's unheard of. I, on the other hand, find them well within the bounds of scrutiny, like any other team. 

I do think Polian is an asshole though.
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« Reply #1063 on: February 03, 2010, 04:40:36 AM »

having lived in Indy my whole life, I'm used to plenty of people myself included saying bad things about the Colts all the time smile  They used to suck on a Lions level.  Guess I've been so glad they don't anymore that I don't really notice the media treating them differently.  Probably also doesn't hurt that I usually watch games with the audio off since I hate the commentators lack of focus most of the time.
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« Reply #1064 on: February 03, 2010, 01:20:01 PM »

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« Reply #1065 on: February 03, 2010, 01:36:15 PM »

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having lived in Indy my whole life, I'm used to plenty of people myself included saying bad things about the Colts all the time smile  They used to suck on a Lions level.  Guess I've been so glad they don't anymore that I don't really notice the media treating them differently.  Probably also doesn't hurt that I usually watch games with the audio off since I hate the commentators lack of focus most of the time.

Yeah - You live there, naturally you'd hear some criticisms. On a national level, they can do no wrong. It's hard to argue since they are the best team in the NFL, but it doesn't mean there isn't anything to question. It was even worse when Dungy was there. He was so nice, nobody would dare say anything bad about them.
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« Reply #1066 on: February 03, 2010, 01:38:59 PM »

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Just saw that Dwight Freeney has a torn ligament in his right ankle.  That's a big loss for the Colts D.

Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Spin. Overrated.

Couldn't disagree more.

OK - I guess we disagree. I find him and Bob "Shins" Sanders the two most over-rated defensive players in the NFL.

I think Sanders is overrated too.  But in my opinion when he's healthy Freeney is probably the 2nd or 3rd best pass rusher in the NFL.  Given how much the Saints throw the ball downfield and who their left tackle is,  I think the Colts losing Freeney is a pretty big deal.

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« Reply #1067 on: February 03, 2010, 01:44:12 PM »

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having lived in Indy my whole life, I'm used to plenty of people myself included saying bad things about the Colts all the time smile  They used to suck on a Lions level.  Guess I've been so glad they don't anymore that I don't really notice the media treating them differently.  Probably also doesn't hurt that I usually watch games with the audio off since I hate the commentators lack of focus most of the time.

Yeah - You live there, naturally you'd hear some criticisms. On a national level, they can do no wrong. It's hard to argue since they are the best team in the NFL, but it doesn't mean there isn't anything to question. It was even worse when Dungy was there. He was so nice, nobody would dare say anything bad about them.

I remember in Dungy's first or second year the Colts got destroyed by the Jets in a Wild Card game something like 41-0.  This was after Dungy had just left the Bucs and the Bucs won the Super Bowl.  Dungy was getting ripped by everybody for being too nice and that his teams never had a killer instinct. 

Once Dungy won a Super Bowl he became almost immune to criticism.  But not early in his career in Indy. Winning cures everything.
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« Reply #1068 on: February 03, 2010, 05:53:21 PM »

One other thing about the Colts is that they are generally honest and classy in their dealings on injuries. There have been no efforts to hide Freeney's injury.  While I doubt Belechik or Eric Mangini would even acknowledge that Freeney had ankles at all.
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« Reply #1069 on: February 03, 2010, 07:11:19 PM »

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One other thing about the Colts is that they are generally honest and classy in their dealings on injuries. There have been no efforts to hide Freeney's injury.  While I doubt Belechik or Eric Mangini would even acknowledge that Freeney had ankles at all.

Why? What makes that honest and classy? Why? How does that help them with the only goal that they have, which is winning the Super Bowl?

This is EXACTLY why the Colts never get criticized. They are nice. They are nice to the media.

That EVIL Manigini never tells Booyeah anything about anything!! We have the right to know!!! We must know! I don't care how it may, or may not effect the team or its players!! ESPN MUST KNOW!! The fans demand it!! The Colts never withhold info! See they are nice and we love them!

If an O-Lineman jumps on Freeney's ankle and knocks him out of the Super Bowl, they lose, and his career is in jeopardy because of it, I want to hear how classy it is.

If I was the Colts organization, he would be "Questionable with a lower body injury". That's it.


How classy was Polian when he was yelling "Break his leg!" when Flutie was in a game for the Patriots a few years ago?

(and I HATE Flutie!)
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« Reply #1070 on: February 03, 2010, 07:14:48 PM »

These guys could learn a thing or two from Ron Burgundy!
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« Reply #1071 on: February 03, 2010, 07:24:07 PM »

Not sure about the Flutie thing.

But with regards to Freeney, the Colts aren't insulting our intelligence by pretending there is no injury when everyone can see that there clearly is.  Everybody saw Freeney limp off of the field.  Everybody knows he isn't practicing.  And you know Freeney is going to be asked about it.  I'm just tired of organizations like the Patriots treating every injury like it is a matter of national security. When Brady Quinn tore a muscle in his foot in week 16 against Kansas City Mangini never even mentioned it until somebody noticed Quinn walking around in a cast on the Thursday before the week 17 game.  When the reporter asked Quinn about the cast he refused to answer and referred all questions to Mangini.  It made Quinn look like an idiot.

It may or may not help win the game if you keep everybody guessing.  But don't be surprised when everybody thinks you're organization isn't very classy or honest for doing it. 

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« Reply #1072 on: February 03, 2010, 07:42:47 PM »

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Did you ever meet LaPorte?

I swung by his house once, that has nothing to do with this thread, slywink  There are quite a few OO and GT members who live or did live near me.
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« Reply #1073 on: February 03, 2010, 08:34:16 PM »

What intelligence are they insulting? You? Me? The media? It's none of our business.

What does anyone get out of them telling about Freeney? Is it a warm feeling inside that they are honest and up front about their players and their situations?  Kinda like when Marvin Harrison shoots people? Would they be even more likable if they told you what plays they would be running before the snap? Should Chris Berman be in the huddle to get some more love?

My thoughts are that if it give you .00000000000001% more of a chance to win a game, the league says it's OK, then it's worth being not loved as much. Your job is to win, not play nice with the media.

I like this conversation, deno.  icon_biggrin

I'm trying to see the other side, but I don't get it.
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« Reply #1074 on: February 03, 2010, 09:25:41 PM »

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What intelligence are they insulting? You? Me? The media? It's none of our business.

What does anyone get out of them telling about Freeney? Is it a warm feeling inside that they are honest and up front about their players and their situations?  Kinda like when Marvin Harrison shoots people? Would they be even more likable if they told you what plays they would be running before the snap? Should Chris Berman be in the huddle to get some more love?

My thoughts are that if it give you .00000000000001% more of a chance to win a game, the league says it's OK, then it's worth being not loved as much. Your job is to win, not play nice with the media.

I like this conversation, deno.  icon_biggrin

I'm trying to see the other side, but I don't get it.

It keeps Freeney from looking like an ass denying that his ankle is hurt while walking around with crutches.  I remember going into the 2007 SB Tom Brady was seen wearing a walking boot on his ankle.  Belechek and Brady pretended all week that they didn't know what everyone was talking about.  It just shows a lack of integrity in my opinion.

The thing I hate most about sports is listening to players, coaches, analysts, etc spew meaningless cliches and answer questions without saying anything.  If you aren't going to tell me the truth or how you really feel then don't waste my time. 
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« Reply #1075 on: February 03, 2010, 09:59:58 PM »

Quote from: Devil on February 03, 2010, 08:34:16 PM

What intelligence are they insulting? You? Me? The media? It's none of our business.

What does anyone get out of them telling about Freeney? Is it a warm feeling inside that they are honest and up front about their players and their situations?  Kinda like when Marvin Harrison shoots people? Would they be even more likable if they told you what plays they would be running before the snap? Should Chris Berman be in the huddle to get some more love?

My thoughts are that if it give you .00000000000001% more of a chance to win a game, the league says it's OK, then it's worth being not loved as much. Your job is to win, not play nice with the media.

I like this conversation, deno.  icon_biggrin

I'm trying to see the other side, but I don't get it.


Wait...weren't you one of the biggest yellers in this thread about how horrible the Colts were for resting their starters?  You are saying here their job is to win and yet you criticized their feeling that resting their starters to help prevent injuries and therefore win the big one was a bad call.  So which is it? 
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« Reply #1076 on: February 03, 2010, 10:09:12 PM »

Quote from: Devil on February 03, 2010, 08:34:16 PM

What intelligence are they insulting? You? Me? The media? It's none of our business.

What does anyone get out of them telling about Freeney? Is it a warm feeling inside that they are honest and up front about their players and their situations?  Kinda like when Marvin Harrison shoots people? Would they be even more likable if they told you what plays they would be running before the snap? Should Chris Berman be in the huddle to get some more love?

My thoughts are that if it give you .00000000000001% more of a chance to win a game, the league says it's OK, then it's worth being not loved as much. Your job is to win, not play nice with the media.

I like this conversation, deno.  icon_biggrin

I'm trying to see the other side, but I don't get it.

being open and honest about your business is always classier than obfuscating it.  doesn't matter if you're talking about football or corporations. the other side as you call it are the people who don't see why people should be dicks and lie to the public slywink

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« Reply #1077 on: February 03, 2010, 10:09:41 PM »

I see it completely opposite. If somehow, some way, Brady and Belichick thought that the silence over an injury would lead to some advantage down the road, then there is a definite reason for doing it.

Kinda like pulling your starters out of a game in week 15 so they can rest while another team gets screwed because of it?

It's bad for Brady and Belichick to hide an injury so they can get a perceived advantage, but it OK for the Colts to throw a game (yeah, I said it again) and blatantly change the course of the post season so they can get a perceived advantage?

They are both well within their right to do what they did.

Ask the Texans which of those acts lacks more integrity.

I still don't understand what was so great about telling the media all about Freeney's injury.

What if you found out that the Colts and Freeney were FAKING the injury to gain an advantage?

Going back to where the whole issue lies: Belichick is a nasty guy to the media, so it's easy to condemn him. Dungy/Manning/Moore are all very kind with the media, so they are given every benefit.

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Grue - I mentioned that above. I criticized the fact that there was no outrage over the Colts resting their starters. I didn't question their right to do it. They can certainly do whatever they want. This is EXACTLY my point. The Colts throw a game to better their situation and it's OK. Belichick hides an injury to better their situation and he's murdering puppies.

Hark - This is sports. Like I said before, be really honest and broadcast your plays? Why are you hiding them from everyone?  icon_wink

Clearly the Colts Nice Guy image is working.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #1078 on: February 03, 2010, 10:19:31 PM »

Devil you're starting to sound like a maniac.
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« Reply #1079 on: February 03, 2010, 10:23:07 PM »

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having lived in Indy my whole life, I'm used to plenty of people myself included saying bad things about the Colts all the time smile  They used to suck on a Lions level.  Guess I've been so glad they don't anymore that I don't really notice the media treating them differently.  Probably also doesn't hurt that I usually watch games with the audio off since I hate the commentators lack of focus most of the time.

Being a Lions fan, I take offense at the highlighted statement!  Your comparison demeans the incredible acheivements the Lions franchise has accomplished for over 5 decades.  No one sucks on a Lions level except the Detroit Lions.  Now if you said on a Buccaneers level Id agree
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