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« on: December 06, 2007, 07:03:38 PM »

You've seen the man with what looks like roots growing out of everywhere, now see the man with no face... because it's replaced by blood filled tumors.  Looks like something out of science fiction horror story.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/03/wface103.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

I feel sorry for the guy, but he also refused operations and treatment, sadly this was due to his religious beliefs against blood transfusions.
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 07:07:07 PM »

holy crap!  Not to knock anyone's religious beliefs or anything like that, but that dude's god has got to be promising him some kickass stuff in heaven for not turning his back...  saywhat
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 07:14:49 PM »

Bah, he has a face. It's just not very pretty. There was video I seen awhile back about a guy that, well, had no face. He got some kind of rare fungus in his nasal cavity and the doctors had to literally cut out his entire face. Eyes, nose, mouth, jawbone, all were removed. Now that was a man with no face.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 07:22:00 PM »

Quote from: Toe on December 06, 2007, 07:14:49 PM

Bah, he has a face. It's just not very pretty. There was video I seen awhile back about a guy that, well, had no face. He got some kind of rare fungus in his nasal cavity and the doctors had to literally cut out his entire face. Eyes, nose, mouth, jawbone, all were removed. Now that was a man with no face.

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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 07:28:23 PM »

Yep, cult members are goofy.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 08:00:56 PM »

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Yep, cult members are goofy.

Right. Kettle, this is pot, and he has something to say...

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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 08:08:52 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 08:11:33 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on December 06, 2007, 08:08:52 PM



Thanks, Ike.  As if I didn't have that image engraved in my head as it was.  finger  slywink
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 08:24:42 PM »

Dude, she's eating his ear! (what makes it worse is it's his SISTER  icon_eek puke )

Maybe she think's he's human broccoli. (although he looks like an extra out of Half-Life)

In all seriousness though, this is going to kill him if he doesn't get surgery. I commend his sticking to his principles regardless of how little I agree with them.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 12:07:12 AM »

That's fucked up.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 12:53:56 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 06:39:50 AM »

Quote from: Purge on December 06, 2007, 08:00:56 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 06, 2007, 07:28:23 PM

Yep, cult members are goofy.

Right. Kettle, this is pot, and he has something to say...

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2007, 01:49:47 PM »

Quote from: Purge on December 06, 2007, 08:00:56 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 06, 2007, 07:28:23 PM

Yep, cult members are goofy.

Right. Kettle, this is pot, and he has something to say...

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2007, 01:56:59 PM »

Quote from: ATB on December 07, 2007, 01:49:47 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 06, 2007, 08:00:56 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 06, 2007, 07:28:23 PM

Yep, cult members are goofy.

Right. Kettle, this is pot, and he has something to say...

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Explain.

Some people consider Christianity to be cultlike. It's not rocket science.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2007, 02:34:05 PM »

Quote from: Suitably Ironic Moniker on December 07, 2007, 01:56:59 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 07, 2007, 01:49:47 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 06, 2007, 08:00:56 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 06, 2007, 07:28:23 PM

Yep, cult members are goofy.

Right. Kettle, this is pot, and he has something to say...

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Explain.

Some people consider Christianity to be cultlike. It's not rocket science.

Pasting a blanket statement of 'cult' to a whole religion is quite a stretch.  So, no it's not rocket science, but it's not accurate either.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2007, 02:44:59 PM »

Quote from: ATB on December 07, 2007, 02:34:05 PM

Quote from: Suitably Ironic Moniker on December 07, 2007, 01:56:59 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 07, 2007, 01:49:47 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 06, 2007, 08:00:56 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 06, 2007, 07:28:23 PM

Yep, cult members are goofy.

Right. Kettle, this is pot, and he has something to say...

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Explain.

Some people consider Christianity to be cultlike. It's not rocket science.

Pasting a blanket statement of 'cult' to a whole religion is quite a stretch.  So, no it's not rocket science, but it's not accurate either.

The irony in that statement is hilarious.
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2007, 02:50:43 PM »

The man is a Jehovah's Witness.  The religion has certain proscriptions against the use of human blood products, but it's hardly a cult.  The man has a fairly severe disability, but the proscription against using blood seems a lot more straightforward (and grounded in biblical text) than, say, the opposition to the use of human stem cells that would potentially cure or prevent a host of ills.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2007, 03:20:16 PM »

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Main Entry: cult 
Pronunciation: \ˈkəlt\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate more at wheel
Date: 1617
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

you're right, no religion fits the first 2 descriptions.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2007, 03:28:09 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on December 07, 2007, 02:50:43 PM

The man is a Jehovah's Witness.  The religion has certain proscriptions against the use of human blood products, but it's hardly a cult.  The man has a fairly severe disability, but the proscription against using blood seems a lot more straightforward (and grounded in biblical text) than, say, the opposition to the use of human stem cells that would potentially cure or prevent a host of ills.

Yeah you're right let's start carving up them babies! 
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2007, 03:47:05 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on December 07, 2007, 02:50:43 PM

The man is a Jehovah's Witness. 

JWs indeed are a cult sir.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2007, 03:57:20 PM »

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JWs indeed are a cult sir.

Way to respect other people's beliefs.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2007, 03:58:15 PM »

Wow, we went from bulbous face to cult definition and religious mud slinging.  NICE!  JW is a cult, so is LDS, Catholicism, and any religion you would like to moniker.  That being said, go make up your own damn mind.

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2007, 03:58:31 PM »

A cult, as commonly understood, is typified by 3 things:  a charismatic individual leader, segregation of members off from the mainstream, a separation of members from their money.  I confess a bias, as I am a member of an organization that is often described as a cult, but I consider neither Jehovah's Witnesses nor fundamental Christianity a cult.  If one is and the other is not, then I'd be interested in knowing the difference.
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2007, 04:06:00 PM »

Quote from: QP on December 07, 2007, 03:28:09 PM

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on December 07, 2007, 02:50:43 PM

The man is a Jehovah's Witness.  The religion has certain proscriptions against the use of human blood products, but it's hardly a cult.  The man has a fairly severe disability, but the proscription against using blood seems a lot more straightforward (and grounded in biblical text) than, say, the opposition to the use of human stem cells that would potentially cure or prevent a host of ills.

Yeah you're right let's start carving up them babies! 

I don't understand how stem cell research is "carving up babies".  The use of human tissue for medical research is fairly widespread; I understand that medical school students still dissect human corpses.

But perhaps I've gone off topic.

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2007, 04:08:56 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on December 07, 2007, 04:06:00 PM


I don't understand how stem cell research is "carving up babies".  The use of human tissue for medical research is fairly widespread; I understand that medical school students still dissect human corpses.


It's not "carving up babies".  The cells they're using for research are being discarded anyway.  It's just ignorance, really.  Like saying that evolution doesn't happen.
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2007, 04:43:11 PM »

Quote from: rickfc on December 07, 2007, 04:08:56 PM

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I don't understand how stem cell research is "carving up babies".  The use of human tissue for medical research is fairly widespread; I understand that medical school students still dissect human corpses.


It's not "carving up babies".  The cells they're using for research are being discarded anyway.  It's just ignorance, really.  Like saying that evolution doesn't happen.

Because the babies are being discarded...now even if you don't agree that a fetus is a person, can you at least see where some people might have a problem with it?  Besides now they can get other cells to turn into stem cells, so why even use the controversial fetal cells?  Surely you think there must be some limits placed on science, even if you happen to disagree with where that line is.  For you the line may be no experiments on condemned prisoners, but what is the scientific basis for cutting things off even there?
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2007, 04:53:28 PM »

The ONLY difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers.  That's not to say anything is wrong with either.
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2007, 05:00:15 PM »

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Because the babies are being discarded...now even if you don't agree that a fetus is a person, can you at least see where some people might have a problem with it?  Besides now they can get other cells to turn into stem cells, so why even use the controversial fetal cells?  Surely you think there must be some limits placed on science, even if you happen to disagree with where that line is.  For you the line may be no experiments on condemned prisoners, but what is the scientific basis for cutting things off even there?

Sorry, I can see how you may have read that wrong.  What I meant is that the embryos cells are being destroyed regardless of whether they are using them for research or not.  I think we can just agree to disagree.  Peace.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2007, 06:28:07 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2007, 09:26:49 PM »

Quote from: Suitably Ironic Moniker on December 07, 2007, 02:44:59 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 07, 2007, 02:34:05 PM

Quote from: Suitably Ironic Moniker on December 07, 2007, 01:56:59 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 07, 2007, 01:49:47 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 06, 2007, 08:00:56 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 06, 2007, 07:28:23 PM

Yep, cult members are goofy.

Right. Kettle, this is pot, and he has something to say...

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Some people consider Christianity to be cultlike. It's not rocket science.

Pasting a blanket statement of 'cult' to a whole religion is quite a stretch.  So, no it's not rocket science, but it's not accurate either.

The irony in that statement is hilarious.

Are you using ironic in the Alanis sense?   icon_confused

Whats kind of hilarious is that you'd use the name of a religion that contains, oh, roughly a thousand different sects and denominations and offshoots and try to call that a "cult"...  Cult is a term that cannot by definition be applied to an entire religion.  That would be like calling "Science" a "Theory".  See what I did there?
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2007, 09:32:37 PM »

Hey, look at new guy making a valid point.  Nice work there, new guy.
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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2007, 09:38:12 PM »

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The ONLY difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers.  That's not to say anything is wrong with either.

False.  A cult is typically differentiated by the members not being permitted to leave, being segregated from family and friends by force or intimidation, or the use of 'brainwashing' techniques to ensure loyalty and devotion to the cause.  Cults generally require unquestioning obedience to a specific cult leader, who tends to enjoy power and priveliges as a result, rather than to God or a supernatural being as is the case in normal religious belief.  Cults often require sacrifices from members far above and beyond normal religious gatherings, and consequences for not undertaking the sacrifices the cult leader demands tend to be severe; where as in a religion not following the demands of the religion simply means you're no longer a member of that religion.

There is a very wide difference between Cult and Organized Religion.
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2007, 09:38:51 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on December 07, 2007, 09:32:37 PM

Hey, look at new guy making a valid point.  Nice work there, new guy.

New guy?   paranoid  Where?
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2007, 10:02:05 PM »

Quote from: Rowdy on December 07, 2007, 09:38:12 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on December 07, 2007, 04:53:28 PM

The ONLY difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers.  That's not to say anything is wrong with either.

False.  A cult is typically differentiated by the members not being permitted to leave, being segregated from family and friends by force or intimidation, or the use of 'brainwashing' techniques to ensure loyalty and devotion to the cause.  Cults generally require unquestioning obedience to a specific cult leader, who tends to enjoy power and priveliges as a result, rather than to God or a supernatural being as is the case in normal religious belief.  Cults often require sacrifices from members far above and beyond normal religious gatherings, and consequences for not undertaking the sacrifices the cult leader demands tend to be severe; where as in a religion not following the demands of the religion simply means you're no longer a member of that religion.

There is a very wide difference between Cult and Organized Religion.

that's your perceived definition.  I agree that most people think a cult is exactly what you state.  The actual definition of cult does in fact apply to all religions though, regardless of how many different versions there are or how many followers or their level of freedom. 

Scientology is a religion and a cult but most people I know think of it as a cult only.  Christianity is a religion and a cult, but most people I know think of it as a religion only.  It's all semantics, but the more religious someone is the more they get bent out of shape with semantics regarding their religion.
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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2007, 11:19:19 PM »

Quote from: Rowdy on December 07, 2007, 09:38:51 PM

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on December 07, 2007, 09:32:37 PM

Hey, look at new guy making a valid point.  Nice work there, new guy.

New guy?   paranoid  Where?

Yeah, I hate it when people do that sort of crap.  And it's pretty stupid for him to say that especially since you've been here for about three or so years...

Don't mind him.
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2007, 11:30:40 PM »

I was being sincere.  I thought it was a good point.  Sorry if you took offense to me calling you new guy; I just haven't seen you around here before.

Depward, on the other hand, can kiss my ass.
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2007, 11:40:20 PM »

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I was being sincere.  I thought it was a good point.  Sorry if you took offense to me calling you new guy.

Depward, on the other hand, can kiss my ass.

That's ok.  I'd rather not kiss your face.
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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2007, 09:16:47 PM »

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Quote from: Harkonis on December 07, 2007, 04:53:28 PM

The ONLY difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers.  That's not to say anything is wrong with either.

False.  A cult is typically differentiated by the members not being permitted to leave, being segregated from family and friends by force or intimidation, or the use of 'brainwashing' techniques to ensure loyalty and devotion to the cause.  Cults generally require unquestioning obedience to a specific cult leader, who tends to enjoy power and priveliges as a result, rather than to God or a supernatural being as is the case in normal religious belief.  Cults often require sacrifices from members far above and beyond normal religious gatherings, and consequences for not undertaking the sacrifices the cult leader demands tend to be severe; where as in a religion not following the demands of the religion simply means you're no longer a member of that religion.

There is a very wide difference between Cult and Organized Religion.

that's your perceived definition.  I agree that most people think a cult is exactly what you state.  The actual definition of cult does in fact apply to all religions though, regardless of how many different versions there are or how many followers or their level of freedom. 

Scientology is a religion and a cult but most people I know think of it as a cult only.  Christianity is a religion and a cult, but most people I know think of it as a religion only.  It's all semantics, but the more religious someone is the more they get bent out of shape with semantics regarding their religion.

What exactly is a 'percieved definition'?  I don't speak new age gobbledy gook.  Cult and Religion do not mean the same thing, which is why they are two separate words.  Maybe the fact that you acknowledge that most people disagree with you should give you a clue that you're wrong...
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