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« on: July 18, 2011, 04:38:47 PM »

(cross posted from OO because the show is worth it)

Well, the show is as intense as ever.  It's still one of the greatest tv dramas (drama?  I hesitate to use the word as it's more thriller to me) ever made.  Cranston still owns the character of Walter White.  Paul continues to impress me as Jesse...even more so after last night's

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moment of eye contact between Gus and Jesse during the "death scene" that summed up both the moment that Jesse basically breaks and then defines the dynamic of their future relationship without one single word being spoken.  Fantastic, fantastic scene that shows why Aaron Paul deserves all the accolades he gets.

Highlights:

Spoiler for Hiden:
1) Gus.  Good lord, Gus.  Is there a greater villain on tv right now?  The fact that he's a man of so few words and always appears to be in control...even when he's obviously not...makes him far more scary than any other tv villain in recent memory.

2) Gale's fate.  Walt has crossed over with this one.  I don't know if there's any coming back at this point for his character.  But if anyone can bring him back without making it look ridiculous, it's the writers on Breaking Bad.

3) The Kenny Rogers t-shirts Jesse and Walt wear at the end.  Leaving the size tag on Walt's was a stroke of subtle genius, showing us how distracted he was after the whole ordeal with Gus.

Honestly, AMC could create a show about lawn care and I'd tune in excitedly at this point.  They just seem incapable of doing anything bad.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 09:22:14 PM »

Ooh, I forgot that this premiered last night so I'll have to watch this episode tonight.

As an aside, I just want to say I'm very glad that they are available on Amazon Video On Demand at the same time they show on cable.  Since I don't have cable anymore this was one of the few shows I was really bummed I might be missing (or waiting a year for the DVD release). 

I think HBO could learn something from AMC and release the Game of Thrones on Amazon.  I'm very willing to pay to watch a legitimate copy of shows I like if they are made available.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 09:26:00 PM »

I almost threw up watching the premiere.  puke Couldn't stop watching though.  icon_cool

I have to say though, unlike Game of Thrones (I don't have HBO but I read up on it), where a popular actor/character's death can just shock a lot of folks to the bone, you know our two leads in Breaking Bad aren't gonna get offed. They may get maimed, injured, brutalized and everything but; I just don't see the show killing them off until whenever the series ends (if at all). So when they're in a really nasty situation, you figure either someone else will get offed, or one of those two will "just" get maimed.  paranoid

Not really a criticism so much as an observation.  icon_smile
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 10:23:55 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on July 18, 2011, 09:26:00 PM

I almost threw up watching the premiere.  puke Couldn't stop watching though.  icon_cool

I have to say though, unlike Game of Thrones (I don't have HBO but I read up on it), where a popular actor/character's death can just shock a lot of folks to the bone, you know our two leads in Breaking Bad aren't gonna get offed. They may get maimed, injured, brutalized and everything but; I just don't see the show killing them off until whenever the series ends (if at all). So when they're in a really nasty situation, you figure either someone else will get offed, or one of those two will "just" get maimed.  paranoid

Not really a criticism so much as an observation.  icon_smile

Actually I believe that Jesse was originally scheduled to die in season 1, but the writers/producers liked the chemistry between Walt and Jesse so much they decided to spare him. 

I'm just excited to see how far Cranston's character goes down to road to darkness. I would love to see how much he lets Heisenburg make the decisions for a while, and I need to see how Skylar follows him along.  Tiny step by tiny step she is justifying spending the money and trying to distance herself from where it comes from but as it gets easier for her to use the money it gets easier to justify what he does to get it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 05:04:04 AM »

Quote from: Blackjack on July 18, 2011, 09:26:00 PM

I almost threw up watching the premiere.  puke Couldn't stop watching though.  icon_cool

Heh, yeah, that was not exactly a good episode for someone with hemophobia.  (as an aside, why is hemophobe not a proper word for someone with a blood phobia?)

I can't say I was blown away by this episode, but I'm not sure why.  I did like some of the touches as mentioned in hepcat's spoilers, though, and I'm very interested to see where this season goes and how the dynamics shake out.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 02:43:14 PM »

I truly believe Gus was written as a possible version of Walter.  On the outside, he's kind, philanthropic, polite to everyone he meets, very charming and definitely educated and well spoken.  However, he's also amoral.  He would kill every single person he's kind to in public if they crossed him...and it wouldn't bother him in the least. 

Walter is naturally all of the good things that Gus has to pretend to be.  But he's slowly becoming like the real Gus. 

Jesse is just confused.  He WANTS to be good, but he doesn't see how good can be a choice without becoming a victim in the process.  I think what we saw this week was Jesse turning a corner.  Now, whether this is due to trauma and therefore only a temporary change, or if it's permanent and we need to get ready for something entirely new with his character, is up for debate.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 09:35:30 PM »

The season premiere ratings were apparently very good, if not quite up to Mad Men (which is still a low rated show compared to major network stuff). More people seem to be "finding" the show.  icon_smile
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 06:34:39 PM »

Great article on the series from the creator.

We find out that the next (fifth) season will be its last (I always take those kind of comments with a grain of salt, though).

That according to Bryan Cranston, only a little more than a year has taken place during these first 4 seasons.

And more importantly, that Vince Gilligan (the show's creator) always intended to slowly strip all likeability from White.  I find this fascinating as it's almost as if the show's watching US and waiting for that moment when we stop sympathizing with Walter and start to despise him.  I can't wait to find out what my personal turning point will be.  What can Walter do that will make me lose any love i might have for his character?
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2011, 03:44:16 AM »

'Breaking Bad' shopped to other networks as fifth (and final?) season renewal talks drag on
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/01/breaking-bad-renewal-talks/
Hmm, between this and Frank Darabont's complaints a while back about AMC's budget-cutting on The Walking Dead, I'm getting the impression things aren't so rosy at AMC, regardless of critical accolades.  icon_neutral

I hope to hell this doesn't move to HBO because I don't have any Premium channels right now.  disgust
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2011, 03:16:54 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on August 02, 2011, 03:44:16 AM

'Breaking Bad' shopped to other networks as fifth (and final?) season renewal talks drag on
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/01/breaking-bad-renewal-talks/
Hmm, between this and Frank Darabont's complaints a while back about AMC's budget-cutting on The Walking Dead, I'm getting the impression things aren't so rosy at AMC, regardless of critical accolades.  icon_neutral

I hope to hell this doesn't move to HBO because I don't have any Premium channels right now.  disgust

I have to wonder if this might not also be due to actors and writers who once commanded much lower salaries now demanding more once they see their stars on the rise.  Shows like breaking bad and mad men, while critical darlings, don't garner as large an audience as the big three's crap does.  that has to make it hard to find a happy meeting point for talent vs. salary.  
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 07:55:44 AM »

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    AMC RENEWS “BREAKING BAD”

    Network Orders 16 Episodes to Conclude Series

    New York – NY, August, 14, 2011 – AMC announced today that “Breaking Bad,” the Emmy® Award-winning and critically lauded drama series from acclaimed writer/producer/director Vince Gilligan has been renewed for a 16 episode order that will conclude the series.

    Production on all episodes of the final order will commence in early 2012. The roll-out of the episodes and premiere date schedule has yet to be determined by the network. The announcement was made by Charlie Collier, president of AMC.

    “Breaking Bad’s” fourth season premiered on Sunday, July 18th to the highest ratings ever for the series. Household ratings are 30% stronger than season three and season four is delivering 28% more total viewers and over 45% more adults 18-34 than last season.

    The series was recognized as “…the most complete and extraordinary show on TV” by Entertainment Weekly while Daily Variety called it “the most addictive show on the air.”

    "From the day we heard Vince Gilligan's completely original vision for ‘Breaking Bad,’ it has been a complete joy to be involved with this show. Watching this story evolve into the complex, compelling, and intense roller coaster ride that it has become has been an incredible creative experience for everyone at AMC. Beyond that, working with Vince, his brilliant cast and crew, and our wonderful partners at Sony has been remarkable in every way. While it is sad to even contemplate the end of this series, we are so happy to have had the chance to go on this ride, and truly look forward to presenting the rest of this amazing story,” said Collier.

    “It’s a funny irony -- I’d hate to know the date of my own last day on earth, but I’m delighted to know what Walter White’s will be (episodically speaking). This is a great gift to me and to my wonderful writers. It’s knowledge which will allow us to properly build our story to a satisfying conclusion. Now, if we don’t manage to pull that off, we’ve got no one to blame but ourselves,” said Vince Gilligan. “‘Breaking Bad’ has been a dream job these past four years. Working with the best cast and crew in television has no doubt spoiled me for future projects. I’m lucky to get to work with them on sixteen more episodes, and I will always be grateful to both AMC and Sony Television, who from the beginning, believed in our show and supported me creatively and professionally. We have been able to take risks with ‘Breaking Bad’ which would not have been possible on other networks.”

    "We’ve watched ‘Breaking Bad’ grow over the years with viewers, as championed by the unwavering support of critics and the well deserved accolades Vince and his talented actors have received. We’re looking forward to seeing Vince’s masterful storytelling come fully to fruition over the course of the series’ final episodes,” said Zack Van Amburg, President, programming for Sony Pictures Television.

    “Breaking Bad” stars Emmy® Award-winner Bryan Cranston (“Malcolm in the Middle”) as Walter White; Emmy® Award-winner Aaron Paul (“Big Love”) as Jesse Pinkman; Anna Gunn (“Deadwood”) as Skyler White; Dean Norris (“Little Miss Sunshine”) as Hank Schrader; Betsy Brandt (“CSI”) as Marie Schrader; RJ Mitte (“Hannah Montana,” “Weeds”) as Walter, Jr; Bob Odenkirk (“Mr. Show with Bob and David”) as Saul Goodman; Giancarlo Esposito (“Gospel Hill”) as Gus Fring; and Jonathan Banks (“Wiseguy”) as Mike.

    “Breaking Bad” is filmed on location in Albuquerque, NM. The series first premiered on AMC in January 2008 and follows protagonist Walter White, a milquetoast high school chemistry teacher who lives in New Mexico with his wife, teenage son who has cerebral palsy and a new baby girl. White is diagnosed with Stage III cancer and given a prognosis of two years left to live. With a new sense of fearlessness based on his medical prognosis, and a desire to gain financial security for his family, White chooses to enter a dangerous world of drugs and crime and ascends to power in this world. The series explores how a fatal diagnosis such as White’s releases a typical man from the daily concerns and constraints of normal society and follows his transformation from mild-mannered family man to a kingpin of the drug trade.

    “Breaking Bad” has received sixteen Emmy® Award nominations in the following categories: “Outstanding Drama Series” (2009, 2010); "Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series" for Bryan Cranston (2008, 2009, 2010); “Outstanding Supporting Actor” for Aaron Paul (2009, 2010); “Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series” for Vince Gilligan (2008) and Michelle MacLaren (2010); “Outstanding Cinematography for a one-hour series” for John Toll (2008) and Michael Slovis (2009, 2010); “Outstanding Sound Editing for a Series;” "Outstanding Single Picture Camera Editing for a Drama Series" for Lynne Willingham (2008, 2009) and Skip McDonald (2010); with six wins overall for Cranston (2008, 2009, 2010); Paul (2010); and Willingham (2008, 2009). In 2008, the American Film Institute (AFI) included Breaking Bad on its list of the “Top 10 Programs” of the year. That same year, Vince Gilligan won the Writer’s Guild Award for his work on the pilot. ” In 2010, AFI recognized the show on its list again and that year the writers were also nominated for their exceptional work by the Writer’s Guild of America. In 2009 & 2010, the Producer’s Guild of America recognized the series with a Norman Felton nomination. In addition to his Emmy accolades, Cranston was nominated for a Golden Globe and Screen Actors Guild Award in 2011 and won a Television Critics Association (TCA) award in 2008 for his role on the series.

    “Breaking Bad” is produced by High Bridge Productions, Inc. and Gran Via Productions in association with Sony Pictures Television for AMC. Executive Producers are Vince Gilligan, Mark Johnson, and Michelle MacLaren; Co-Executive Producers Melissa Bernstein and Sam Catlin; Supervising Producers Peter Gould, George Mastras, and Tom Schnauz; Producers Moira Walley-Beckett, Bryan Cranston, and Diane Mercer; Produced By Stewart A. Lyons; Associate Producer Andrew Ortner, Staff Writer Gennifer Hutchison; and Director of Photography Michael Slovis.

    About AMC AMC reigns as the only cable network in history to ever win the Emmy® Award for Outstanding Drama Series three years in a row, as well as the Golden Globe® Award for Best Television Series - Drama for three consecutive years. Whether commemorating favorite films from every genre and decade or creating acclaimed original programming, the AMC experience is an uncompromising celebration of great stories. AMC's original stories include “Mad Men,” “Breaking Bad,” “The Walking Dead,” “The Killing” and “Hell on Wheels.” AMC further demonstrates its commitment to the art of storytelling with AMC’s Docu-Stories, a slate of unscripted original series, as well as curated movie franchises like AMC’s Can’t Get Enough and AMC’s Crazy About. Available in more than 97 million homes (Source: Nielsen Media Research), AMC is owned and operated by AMC Networks Inc. and its sister networks include IFC, Sundance Channel and WE tv. AMC is available across all platforms, including on-air, online, on demand and mobile. AMC: Story Matters HereSM.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2011, 09:44:41 PM »

So I've been watching Breaking Bad for the first time. I'm in the middle of season 2 (although I know how everything turns out because I read recaps). And I've come to the conclusion:

Hank and Jesse are the protagonists. Walter is the antagonist, not Tuco, Gus or anyone else.

I don't know if this is common knowledge or not. If it is, I apologize for mucking up your thread. If it isn't, I'll expound my theory.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2011, 12:51:09 AM »

Quote from: Eel Snave on October 22, 2011, 09:44:41 PM


I don't know if this is common knowledge or not. If it is, I apologize for mucking up your thread. If it isn't, I'll expound my theory.

Please continue  i love to hear others ideas on this great show
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2011, 01:00:01 AM »

If you read this interview that was linked earlier you will see that even Vince Gilligan, the show's creator, says something very similar:

Quote from: hepcat on July 22, 2011, 06:34:39 PM

Great article on the series from the creator.

We find out that the next (fifth) season will be its last (I always take those kind of comments with a grain of salt, though).

That according to Bryan Cranston, only a little more than a year has taken place during these first 4 seasons.

And more importantly, that Vince Gilligan (the show's creator) always intended to slowly strip all likeability from White.  I find this fascinating as it's almost as if the show's watching US and waiting for that moment when we stop sympathizing with Walter and start to despise him.  I can't wait to find out what my personal turning point will be.  What can Walter do that will make me lose any love i might have for his character?

I would say that the fourth season did a very good job of pushing a lot of people near or past that point.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2011, 07:35:49 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on July 22, 2011, 06:34:39 PM

What can Walter do that will make me lose any love i might have for his character?

Did the final shot of the season finale do it for you? Personally, I would have preferred that they didn't zoom all the way into the name card in the flower pot and just let the audience make the connection. That was an impressively long con for Walter to pull off. How many people had to be manipulated: Jesse, Hank, Gus, Hector...
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2011, 07:38:36 PM »

Yeah, my previous statement came before that final scene of the season.  He's DEFINITELY crossed a line.   icon_eek  I don't think there's any coming back from that. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2013, 05:00:35 PM »

Fans of the show should watch this interview by Conan.
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