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« on: November 03, 2004, 05:53:02 AM »

I had to post this here.

Fox News broke early on this one, contradicting their caution the rest of the evening.  Bush will win Ohio, and their 20 votes.  With the rest of the states trending as they are, Bush will win the majority of votes needed to win the election.

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2004, 05:58:56 AM »

I don't know.. what I see is Bush ahead by a mere 100,000 votes with only 86% of the precincts reporting. There's no telling how many votes are sitting in that last 14%. Bush has lost ground something to the tune of 60,000 votes in the last hour.

I've been in election block-out mode since about 1 this afternoon and now that it's close to some form of half-assed resolution I finally feel the drive to pay some attention.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 06:05:19 AM »

NBC has now followed suit.

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2004, 06:17:15 AM »

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NBC has now followed suit.

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Yep.  MSNBC's all over it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2004, 06:19:37 AM »

CNN still has not called, and internal Kerry people are claiming that there are 200,000 provisional ballots in Ohio, the vast majority of which people think are for last minute Kerry supporters, that still must be validated and could swing that state if Kerry can pull within 50,000 in the next half hour or so.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2004, 06:19:58 AM »

I see the bush lead grew again in like the 10 minutes it took me to look around, write that post, get something to drink, and then come back. Crazy.

Regardless it does look like they're right now. They're also showing Alaska going to Bush as well.

One more state goes to bush and he's in yet again.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2004, 06:20:46 AM »

I really don't think the provisional votes will be counted.  There some real fishy stuff going on in Ohio from both sides with regards to those, methinks.  Do we REALLY need another 2000?

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2004, 06:24:02 AM »

I dont know how they called Florida when they themselves said they wont have the absentee ballets counted till Thursday.
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2004, 06:26:18 AM »

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I dont know how they called Florida when they themselves said they wont have the absentee ballets counted till Thursday.


Absentee ballots will trend heavily for Bush in Florida, since a vast majority of them will be military.  Also, they know how many ballots were sent out, and can project how many they'll get back based off what they have received.  I believe this is done by party.  And I don't think the absentee ballots can overcome a 363,000 vote difference.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2004, 06:26:50 AM »

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I dont know how they called Florida when they themselves said they wont have the absentee ballets counted till Thursday.


Based on the current margin of victory and the trending for the absentee ballots to go 2-for-1 to Bush.
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2004, 06:31:25 AM »

Not only that, but it's possible that the total number of absentee ballots is less than Bush's current lead, meaning that even if every single one went for Kerry he'd still lose the state.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2004, 06:38:53 AM »

Ohio Secretary of State is now saying that absentee ballots have already been counted, anywhere from 200,000 or more provisional ballots likely exist, but they will not be counted until 11 days from the date of the election.

Bush's lead is under 100,000 as of the time of this post.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2004, 08:12:58 AM »

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Ohio Secretary of State is now saying that absentee ballots have already been counted, anywhere from 200,000 or more provisional ballots likely exist, but they will not be counted until 11 days from the date of the election.

Bush's lead is under 100,000 as of the time of this post.

Where are you hearing that from?  I dont see how they could have counted the absentee ballots yet.  They accept them as long as they are postmarked by today, so there is no possible way they have all been counted.

I dont see anyway that Kerry makes up the 100K deficit.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2004, 08:17:45 AM »

CNN had him on.  CNN is officially calling Ohio too close to call.  They're also showing reports from Iowa that say they won't have a final tally until tomorrow due to a couple of counting machines breaking down and fatigue among election workers.  We won't have a definite President until tomorrow at the earliest, November 13-14th at the latest.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2004, 02:26:01 PM »

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I really don't think the provisional votes will be counted.  There some real fishy stuff going on in Ohio from both sides with regards to those, methinks.  Do we REALLY need another 2000?

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We don't need another 2000, but we really do need every vote to be counted.   :x
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2004, 02:48:03 PM »

OHIO
100% of Precincts Reporting
George W. Bush 2,777,645 - 51 percent
John Kerry 2,632,547 - 48 percent


That's over 145,000 votes.

All 150,000 provisional votes are NOT going to be for Kerry.  He needs to give it up.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2004, 02:48:56 PM »

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I really don't think the provisional votes will be counted.  There some real fishy stuff going on in Ohio from both sides with regards to those, methinks.  Do we REALLY need another 2000?

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We don't need another 2000, but we really do need every vote to be counted.   :x

That's exactly right.  With all the new voters, the last thing you want is those votes to be thrown out.  I have a feeling voter apathy will be at an all time high after this election to begin with, no need to do anything to add to that. :|

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2004, 02:54:06 PM »

It's funny that all the Dems that were crying about abolishing the Electoral College (and using the popular vote) in 2000 are now crying that they want to use it.  All because George W whupped them by 3 million votes in the popular vote.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2004, 03:10:25 PM »

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I really don't think the provisional votes will be counted.  There some real fishy stuff going on in Ohio from both sides with regards to those, methinks.  Do we REALLY need another 2000?

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We don't need another 2000, but we really do need every legal vote to be counted.   :x


Small correction. Not that I think you're saying that we should count the illegal votes, but I just heard some moron on the radio saying that it doesn't matter if the votes are legal or illegal, they should *all* count.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2004, 03:20:54 PM »

Its funny that people generalize when talking about those Dems.  I disagree with the electoral college as a voting format both in 2000 and now.  This should be a majority wins vote.  Of course if it had been that way, the Bush wouldnt be running as an incumbent now would he.  The embassment of Florida wouldnt have mattered and the election would have been resolved right away.   If the popular vote is ignored in an election, the democratic process has failed.  If Bush wins the popular vote, then he wins, thats the way it should be.  I voted Democratic and feel that if Bush wins, then the country as a whole has lost, but thats just my opinion, based on the previous 4 years.  Still, if he wins the popular vote, then he won.  Thats good enough for me and thats how the process should work.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2004, 03:38:31 PM »

I'm not generalizing about ALL Dems......just the same Talking Head Dems that are always on all the news channels every election year
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2004, 04:11:46 PM »

And since it's all about Ohio, I bring you this image:



Which button do you push/cut out for Bush? Notice how 6 and 10 line up, but not the other two...

Note - I have no idea if this image is true or not, but I found it funny.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2004, 04:13:26 PM »

Everyone's got talking heads.  So the D's have people who flip flop on the electoral college.

Well, you've got Pat Robertson.  Enjoy.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2004, 04:15:14 PM »

Kerry just conceded.   biggrin  biggrin

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2004, 04:19:43 PM »

Looks like Bush won...

What a dissapointment
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2004, 04:21:04 PM »

Indeed, Bush and his greedy religious zealots get to terrorize the world for another 4 years.
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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2004, 04:23:10 PM »

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Kerry just conceded.   biggrin  biggrin

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Well, that stinks. One can only hope that Bush doesn't rush to any more useless wars and/or destroy our civil rights because his religion disagrees with them. Fat chance of either of those not happening though frown

Now we can only wait and hope that bush's stupidity doesn't destroy our once great country :x

oh and i agree 100% on the religious zealot comment above. I worry for our nation when people like that are in control.
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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2004, 04:37:56 PM »

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It's funny that all the Dems that were crying about abolishing the Electoral College (and using the popular vote) in 2000 are now crying that they want to use it.  All because George W whupped them by 3 million votes in the popular vote.


3 whole million votes??  Wow.  That's a lot.  What is it . . . 1% of the national population.  Whupped, indeed.
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