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« Reply #120 on: December 24, 2013, 01:29:43 AM »

Finally got around to seeing this last night with the wife and I have to say it was sorely disappointing after good-looking trailers and all of the praise it received on these boards frown The whole movie seemed like a collection of past 'blockbusters': Transformers meets Top Gun meets Godzilla meets Independence Day meets Armageddon.

Spoilerized Issue #1:

Spoiler for Hiden:
So let me get this straight: the Jaegers have built in swords that can cut into the hides of even the Class 4 and 5 Kaiju, but instead they spend 85% of the movie *punching* the monsters even though it seems to do little real harm to them?

Spoilerized Issue #2:
Spoiler for Hiden:
"The Wall." Seriously? Discontinue the Jaegers to build a coastal wall, that I guess has to cover at the very least the coastline of every "Pacific Rim" nation, and realistically the coastline of every planet on earth? And having done so, they find out a single Kaiju can break one down in approximately one hour? Was this thing designed and built by my three year old?

I could go on, but what's the point? There was so much potential here for a genuinely fantastic movie. He had the budget. He had the source material. And we got a series of cliches and what seemed like the bastard love child of a mass orgy of eight different action films. Meh.
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« Reply #121 on: December 24, 2013, 03:24:26 AM »

Spoiler for Hiden:
Apparently, the swords were a new addition. The Chinese one had spinning blades.

The Wall was supposed to be ridiculous. It was a stupid, and desperate political move from politicians completely unable to comprehend things.

I don't even like the movie that much, but frankly, if you were looking for high cinema, or even through provoking cinema, in a movie with giant robots fighting giant monsters, not sure where I could point you to to satisfy that.
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« Reply #122 on: December 24, 2013, 03:41:10 AM »

You have to look at the wall as appeasement.  The rich are cutting their losses and moving inland, the Jaeger program is too expensive.  They'll just let conventional weapons kill the Kaiju, who cares if it takes 100 miles or so of bombardment to do it, it will still be far away from where they were all moving to.
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« Reply #123 on: December 24, 2013, 03:58:55 AM »

Quote from: forgeforsaken on December 24, 2013, 03:41:10 AM

You have to look at the wall as appeasement.  The rich are cutting their losses and moving inland, the Jaeger program is too expensive.  They'll just let conventional weapons kill the Kaiju, who cares if it takes 100 miles or so of bombardment to do it, it will still be far away from where they were all moving to.

Not appeasement, isolationism vs. interventionism -- a timely topic. It was a silly story element struggling to be a good metaphor.
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« Reply #124 on: December 24, 2013, 07:25:59 PM »

it was the liberals!

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« Reply #125 on: December 24, 2013, 07:34:58 PM »

Ya I finally saw this too last week and thought it was pretty bad.  Glad I didn't go and waste my money in a theatre for this one.
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« Reply #126 on: December 24, 2013, 08:14:44 PM »

Quote from: naednek on December 24, 2013, 07:34:58 PM

Ya I finally saw this too last week and thought it was pretty bad.  Glad I didn't go and waste my money in a theatre for this one.

Frankly I think seeing it in the theater is what saves it.  Looked fantastic on a huge screen with the theater sound booming.  I honestly didn't pay much attention to the story, and of course as memory serves I had to keep taking my nephew to go pee so I missed out on the subtleties.  But come on, this was about giant robots fighting giant creatures, it's hard to convey that sense of scale on even an 80" screen.  It was meant to be seen on the big screen and personally I thought it worked great in that format.
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« Reply #127 on: December 24, 2013, 09:25:59 PM »

Not sure what people were expecting. Its a modern day Kaiju movie with flashy CGI. It wasn't made for plot or dialog, anymore than other big summer action movies are.
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« Reply #128 on: December 24, 2013, 09:33:17 PM »

perhaps they were expecting Idris Elba to start spouting Shakespearean like dialogue...

"Forsooth, before I verily strike down this wretched demon given form, perhaps I should consider its purpose.  Couldst it be a forgotten brethren of mine, and so in cutting it to the quick couldst I be slapping my ancestors across their faces long gone to dust?  May I be desecrating the memory of ancients long gone, denying them their long deserved rewards that should flow across their skeletons that lay beneath our very feet?  Nay, nay say I, to both violence most abhorrent and derision unjustly given.  I shall instead embrace my foe, give him succor at my breast so that we may come unto peace as one, fates intertwined in the sweet mixture of familial love!"
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« Reply #129 on: December 24, 2013, 11:01:55 PM »

When i went I made the mistake of taking my girlfriend. Or at least, I thought it was a mistake, until she said she liked it.

or maybe she just said that cause she loves me

or maybe she thought the actors were hot

hmmm  paranoid

It's a great movie for a 14 yr old. But for a 46 yr old.......much better when watching alone  icon_wink


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Oh, and I missed the beam weapons too. Gotta have beam weapons.
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« Reply #130 on: December 24, 2013, 11:08:10 PM »

Quote from: Zekester on December 24, 2013, 11:01:55 PM



It's a great movie for a 14 yr old. But for a 46 yr old.......much better when watching alone  icon_wink




You make it sound like a porn flick.  icon_eek
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« Reply #131 on: December 24, 2013, 11:12:11 PM »

Quote from: rshetts2 on December 24, 2013, 11:08:10 PM

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It's a great movie for a 14 yr old. But for a 46 yr old.......much better when watching alone  icon_wink




You make it sound like a porn flick.  icon_eek

methinks he rented 'Pacific Rimjob' instead.
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« Reply #132 on: December 25, 2013, 04:20:33 AM »

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« Reply #133 on: December 25, 2013, 06:19:15 AM »

Quote from: Turtle on December 24, 2013, 03:24:26 AM

Spoiler for Hiden:
Apparently, the swords were a new addition. The Chinese one had spinning blades.

The Wall was supposed to be ridiculous. It was a stupid, and desperate political move from politicians completely unable to comprehend things.

I don't even like the movie that much, but frankly, if you were looking for high cinema, or even through provoking cinema, in a movie with giant robots fighting giant monsters, not sure where I could point you to to satisfy that.

Contrary to the opinions of some listed above, I wasn't expecting high cinema. I wasn't even expecting thought provoking. I've got plenty of room in my tastes for fairly mindless action - for example I loved the Expendables which wasn't without its flaws. I just came away from that movie thinking it was a huge missed opportunity to do a genuinely great action flick. Instead it was merely mediocre. A tighter plot line, a few less cliches and it would have been nothing short of fantastic. But really:

Spoiler for Hiden:
The rebellious pilot who doesn't follow orders = Top Gun. The invaders from elsewhere who travel to worlds and consume them = Independence Day. The end of the line sacrifice with the nuclear explosion to save humanity = Armageddon. It was just like instead of making his own blockbuster movie, he tried to nab the best parts of all of the old ones. I get that there are themes that are common in movies. I understand people borrow form each other, are inspired by each other. The lack of originality left me feeling exceedingly underwhelmed.
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« Reply #134 on: December 25, 2013, 07:58:51 AM »

Two of the three of your examples could have been replaced with Avatar.
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« Reply #135 on: December 25, 2013, 07:59:28 AM »

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« Reply #136 on: December 26, 2013, 03:28:43 PM »

Well, I enjoyed it so much I brought the Blu Ray.   
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« Reply #137 on: December 26, 2013, 04:56:07 PM »

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Well, I enjoyed it so much I brought the Blu Ray.   

Yup...I've seen it maybe 6-7 times altogether, as for why they did things, because it's a movie. So why didn't they use the sword before...because it's a movie, that wall was dumb it isn't going to stop...it's a movie, why did the jet fly within 50 feet of...it's a movie. I enjoyed it immensely, though I'm a fan of the genre so I tend to be more forgiving then others.
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« Reply #138 on: December 26, 2013, 05:41:36 PM »

Quote from: Ascendent on December 26, 2013, 04:56:07 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on December 26, 2013, 03:28:43 PM

Well, I enjoyed it so much I brought the Blu Ray.   

Yup...I've seen it maybe 6-7 times altogether, as for why they did things, because it's a movie. So why didn't they use the sword before...because it's a movie, that wall was dumb it isn't going to stop...it's a movie, why did the jet fly within 50 feet of...it's a movie. I enjoyed it immensely, though I'm a fan of the genre so I tend to be more forgiving then others.

I feel the same. I loved 'Pacific Rim'. I'm going to watch it again and will likely get the BluRay too. I thought Guillermo Del Toro perfectly capture the spirit of the 'Kaigu' Japanese movies and anime from the 70s and 80s. I grew up watching that stuff in Puerto Rico (TranzerZ, Robotech) so I got 'Pacific Rim' from the get-go. I thought the giant robot/monster battles were superbly visualized. Loved the movie all the way thru and didn't mind the narrative cliches.
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« Reply #139 on: December 26, 2013, 10:57:41 PM »

Quote from: Ascendent on December 26, 2013, 04:56:07 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on December 26, 2013, 03:28:43 PM

Well, I enjoyed it so much I brought the Blu Ray.   

Yup...I've seen it maybe 6-7 times altogether, as for why they did things, because it's a movie. So why didn't they use the sword before...because it's a movie, that wall was dumb it isn't going to stop...it's a movie, why did the jet fly within 50 feet of...it's a movie. I enjoyed it immensely, though I'm a fan of the genre so I tend to be more forgiving then others.

Yeah "It's a movie" is just a really bad way of making excuses for unnecessarily poor film making in my opinion. I can use that line with regards to explaining the *setting* for a movie, but not for internally inconsistent logic within the movie itself. For example, if someone asks me why magic exists within the Harry Potter films I can say "It's a movie. It's not real". But I still expect that *within* the setting of Harry Potter they aren't going to break down the fabric of the setting. To me, this is what Pacific Rim did. For you clearly it did not. You're welcome to your opinion and I'm welcome to mine smile At the end of the day when the credits rolled I felt like it just tried too hard to hit all the action blockbuster high points and was lessened as a movie as a result.
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« Reply #140 on: December 27, 2013, 12:54:54 AM »

Quote from: Crux on December 26, 2013, 10:57:41 PM

Quote from: Ascendent on December 26, 2013, 04:56:07 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on December 26, 2013, 03:28:43 PM

Well, I enjoyed it so much I brought the Blu Ray.   

Yup...I've seen it maybe 6-7 times altogether, as for why they did things, because it's a movie. So why didn't they use the sword before...because it's a movie, that wall was dumb it isn't going to stop...it's a movie, why did the jet fly within 50 feet of...it's a movie. I enjoyed it immensely, though I'm a fan of the genre so I tend to be more forgiving then others.

Yeah "It's a movie" is just a really bad way of making excuses for unnecessarily poor film making in my opinion.

You're right to a point but sometime a movie comes along and you can put your brain in neutral and just go along for the ride and enjoy it.  Of course being able to do that with some movies is quite subjective and plot points some people can gloss over, other people can just ignore.   For me, I overlooked some of the inconsistencies and just enjoyed watching some good ole' Giant Robot kicking Ginormous Monster butt action.
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« Reply #141 on: December 27, 2013, 02:45:03 AM »

I enjoyed it. And it was pretty fun. But my wife freak'n loved it. I didn't expect her reaction to it.
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« Reply #142 on: December 27, 2013, 05:38:19 AM »

You know the more I think about it as a result of this discussion, the more I realize a huge part of why I didn't like the movie: there were no surprises. Not in the "I needed a plot twist" kind of way, but just that virtually every aspect of the movie was utterly predictable because it followed so many cliches and tropes.

Spoiler for Hiden:
From the moment the brother died, I right away sensed the surviving brother would go off and quit the program into a spot of obscurity. The two scientists - you just *knew* there was going to be a last second revelation regarding the portal. You knew the Japanese girl was going to flake out only to come up big when it really mattered. You knew the aussie asshole was going to get saved by them and begrudgingly admit his respect. The moment the commander guy talked about not being able to survive another spell in a Jaeger due to his previous radiation exposure you knew he was going to get in one to save the day. It was just one after the other of absurdly predictable moments. There have been plenty of action movies that were fairly brainless with decently large plot holes. Plenty that were *largely* predictable. But the utter degree to which all of the plot developments in this movie could be predicted was just a deal breaker for me.
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« Reply #143 on: December 28, 2013, 03:28:03 AM »

I rented this on a recent flight to see if perhaps it just didn't click the first time around.  I actually disliked it even more the second time through, only made it about 2/3 of the way through before getting bored and shutting it off.

Glad some folks enjoyed it though.
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« Reply #144 on: December 28, 2013, 05:26:39 AM »

Quote from: Gratch on December 28, 2013, 03:28:03 AM

Glad some folks enjoyed it though.

Do not turn this thread INTO A HOUSE OF LIES!!!

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I'm not sure I want to watch it again. Imax 3D was great. I'm not sure that the small screen is going to do it justice.
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« Reply #145 on: December 28, 2013, 06:09:08 AM »

Quote from: Gratch on December 28, 2013, 03:28:03 AM

Glad some folks enjoyed it though.

no you're not!  beneath your calm exterior you are seething with rage over that fact!  SEETHING.
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« Reply #146 on: December 28, 2013, 06:53:57 AM »

Quote from: Purge on December 28, 2013, 05:26:39 AM

Quote from: Gratch on December 28, 2013, 03:28:03 AM

Glad some folks enjoyed it though.

Do not turn this thread INTO A HOUSE OF LIES!!!

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I'm not sure I want to watch it again. Imax 3D was great. I'm not sure that the small screen is going to do it justice.

I actually enjoyed my second viewing on my TV better than the first in the theater, at least partially because I could see everything better.  I think the theater had a pretty dark balance on the picture so a lot of details were lost in that viewing and being able to see the scenes made the action more tolerable. 
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