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« on: August 13, 2013, 01:28:45 PM »

This has been building for over a year, with bazillionaire kid genius scientist Elon Musk (Paypal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX) hinting at a travel solution that would have folks going from Los Angeles to San Francisco in half an hour.  It never quite got to the level of the mania surrounding the Segway before it was released, but may have more impact.

Hyperloop is basically putting people in a car and shooting them through a pneumatic tube.  

Musk doesn't have time to actually make this thing, but has made the design public and hopes someone will run with it.  He says it could be operational within 10 years.  If no one else builds it, he says he'll get a prototype up and running in about 5 years.

His design could launch a car with around 30 people every 30 seconds for $20 a passenger.  There's also the possibility of a version that lets people drive their cars right onto the thing.

He came up with the idea when California started talking up a bullet train.  He says this'll cost about a 10th as much to build ($6B).  Of course, the folks who want to make a bullet train say he doesn't know what it takes to make a train in California.  They might be right.  Musk claims the Hyperloop can never crash, but I imagine some seismic shift would put that to the test.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 01:29:38 PM »

Oh man, hyperloop Segways!?  I'm so in!
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 01:33:19 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2013, 03:21:15 PM »

Quote from: ATB on August 13, 2013, 01:33:19 PM

Futurama!

I had that same thought.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 05:20:36 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 13, 2013, 03:21:15 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 13, 2013, 01:33:19 PM

Futurama!

I had that same thought.

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2013, 07:10:46 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2013, 03:48:56 AM »

my first thought on hearing about this was whether or not it makes the same sound that the tube at the bank does. 

my second thought was whether a person could survive the sudden acceleration and deceleration G's. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2013, 06:33:35 AM »

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my first thought on hearing about this was whether or not it makes the same sound that the tube at the bank does. 

my second thought was whether a person could survive the sudden acceleration and deceleration G's. 


My first thought was how long would it be before the customers would get ripped off(British Rail just announced yesterday train fares are going up again)
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2013, 06:41:53 AM »

I assume this would be a high-speed train tube thingie, that has no stops? How useful is that to the community compared to its costs?

Normal high-speed trains at least can have stops on the way, this seems designed not to, as I see it

I find Mag Lev trains to much more interesting, and useful to society.
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2013, 06:50:21 AM »

Why do you think it has no stops? I see no reason why it should have that limitation, based on what I've seen of the design.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2013, 07:00:06 AM »

It's basically designed to be super efficient at getting between two cities.  Making multiple stops would just make it more like a normal train since it wouldn't have time to get up to speed and really make use of the reduced air pressure and reduced friction that make it special in the first place.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2013, 07:03:20 AM »

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It's basically designed to be super efficient at getting between two cities.  Making multiple stops would just make it more like a normal train since it wouldn't have time to get up to speed and really make use of the reduced air pressure and reduced friction that make it special in the first place.

Exactly - If it was to have stops, I'm pretty sure it would defeat the whole purpose of it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2013, 10:28:44 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2013, 12:53:23 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on August 14, 2013, 07:03:20 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on August 14, 2013, 07:00:06 AM

It's basically designed to be super efficient at getting between two cities.  Making multiple stops would just make it more like a normal train since it wouldn't have time to get up to speed and really make use of the reduced air pressure and reduced friction that make it special in the first place.

Exactly - If it was to have stops, I'm pretty sure it would defeat the whole purpose of it.

Yeah, it's been stated that it's meant to get between two cities of decent distance from each other.  Planned, it's for LA-SF, but they also mentioned NYC-Boston.  However, if it works and takes the country by storm, it certainly would make sense to start making tubes all over the place.  At that point, smaller cities could start connecting.

I don't think it'll work for daily commuting, though.  Multiple stops seem to be counter-effective.  More than that, the traffic to get to the thing could mitigate the time benefits.  Especially if they don't go with the car version.  As it is, the train stations near me are jam packed with vehicles (the smaller ones have years long waiting lists for parking spaces).  The demand for getting to work in 15 minutes instead of an hour would make those garages overflow even more, I think, since people would no longer bother with the smaller stations.  Even with the version that takes cars in, you'd still have the problem of parking once you get there.  For a daily commute, that could be an insane situation (I do live near NYC, though, so the situation may be at the extreme end).
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2013, 05:29:00 PM »

Yeah, I would consider this more a business/tourism shuttle than a commuter system.  And I'd kill for some sort of inter-city high speed rail service in Texas.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2013, 06:05:03 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on August 14, 2013, 06:41:53 AM

I assume this would be a high-speed train tube thingie, that has no stops? How useful is that to the community compared to its costs?

Normal high-speed trains at least can have stops on the way, this seems designed not to, as I see it

I find Mag Lev trains to much more interesting, and useful to society.

California's HSR will not be Mag Lev. In fact it will barely be high speed as it is stopping about every 50-60 miles. It also goes through a populated and farming area whereas the hyperloop proposal goes through about 200 miles of nothing (Interstate 5 from Livermore to the Grapevine).
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2013, 06:12:13 PM »

Quote from: Scuzz on August 14, 2013, 06:05:03 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 14, 2013, 06:41:53 AM

I assume this would be a high-speed train tube thingie, that has no stops? How useful is that to the community compared to its costs?

Normal high-speed trains at least can have stops on the way, this seems designed not to, as I see it

I find Mag Lev trains to much more interesting, and useful to society.

California's HSR will not be Mag Lev. In fact it will barely be high speed as it is stopping about every 50-60 miles. It also goes through a populated and farming area whereas the hyperloop proposal goes through about 200 miles of nothing (Interstate 5 from Livermore to the Grapevine).

oh I wasnt talking about any specific high-speed train proposals, but more that I have more faith in Mag Lev trains in general as a vaiable solution for high speed trains with several stops in general.
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2013, 12:56:10 PM »

Quote from: Scuzz on August 14, 2013, 06:05:03 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 14, 2013, 06:41:53 AM

I assume this would be a high-speed train tube thingie, that has no stops? How useful is that to the community compared to its costs?

Normal high-speed trains at least can have stops on the way, this seems designed not to, as I see it

I find Mag Lev trains to much more interesting, and useful to society.

California's HSR will not be Mag Lev. In fact it will barely be high speed as it is stopping about every 50-60 miles. It also goes through a populated and farming area whereas the hyperloop proposal goes through about 200 miles of nothing (Interstate 5 from Livermore to the Grapevine).

Burrito? Is there a good reason for the HSR to go through populated and farming areas? Is it stopping there? If no good reason, then why doesn't it go through 200 miles of nothing? Seems less expensive that way.
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2013, 05:33:55 PM »

Quote from: raydude on August 15, 2013, 12:56:10 PM

Quote from: Scuzz on August 14, 2013, 06:05:03 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 14, 2013, 06:41:53 AM

I assume this would be a high-speed train tube thingie, that has no stops? How useful is that to the community compared to its costs?

Normal high-speed trains at least can have stops on the way, this seems designed not to, as I see it

I find Mag Lev trains to much more interesting, and useful to society.

California's HSR will not be Mag Lev. In fact it will barely be high speed as it is stopping about every 50-60 miles. It also goes through a populated and farming area whereas the hyperloop proposal goes through about 200 miles of nothing (Interstate 5 from Livermore to the Grapevine).

Burrito? Is there a good reason for the HSR to go through populated and farming areas? Is it stopping there? If no good reason, then why doesn't it go through 200 miles of nothing? Seems less expensive that way.

Because in order to sell the thing they wanted all the people they could to buy into it. Towns are fighting for stops as no one wants to be "left out". They could probably save 1/5 or more going straight down Interstate 5.

An example of the craziness....HSR requires something like 100 feet of right away, unlike regular train lines. However they are running HSR along the BNSF rail lines in most places. As a result, the plan currently calls for moving +/- 5 miles of freeway in Fresno as part of the HSR construction. Expensive, you bet. Now imagine the cost as the lines enter the LA or Bay Areas.
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