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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2014, 06:07:54 PM »

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8/10 is your 'absolutely loved it' rating?!

My love for it had a lot to do with the theme. There were a few rough edges, that brought it down a point for me. And yeah...there's very few movies I'd ever give 9/10 for, so maybe I do use the GT scale.  slywink

10/10 - kronovan reaches enlightenment, sprouts wings, and flies to the top of Mount Olympus to begin his rule over the remaining mortals
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2014, 06:25:41 PM »

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10/10 - kronovan reaches enlightenment, sprouts wings, and flies to the top of Mount Olympus to begin his rule over the remaining mortals

lol IIRC I think I made a post at this, or some website, that Inception was a 10/10. And yeah I did something similar to what you describe, but...sigh...it was all just in a dream.  Tongue
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2014, 06:35:50 PM »

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Quote from: wonderpug on January 13, 2014, 06:07:54 PM

10/10 - kronovan reaches enlightenment, sprouts wings, and flies to the top of Mount Olympus to begin his rule over the remaining mortals

lol IIRC I think I made a post at this, or some website, that Inception was a 10/10. And yeah I did something similar to what you describe, but...sigh...it was all just in a dream.  Tongue

But was it a dream?  Are you dreaming now? paranoid
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2014, 10:31:17 PM »

As it happens, the postman just brought the Looper disk today. Will probably watch it tomorrow night.
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2014, 11:02:23 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 13, 2014, 10:31:17 PM

As it happens, the postman just brought the Looper disk today. Will probably watch it tomorrow night.
now, you'll need to remember to time travel back after watching it to hand it to the postman so he can hand it to you.  after you invent the time travel machine/get it back from Rufus. 
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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2014, 12:01:52 AM »

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Quote from: Ironrod on January 13, 2014, 10:31:17 PM

As it happens, the postman just brought the Looper disk today. Will probably watch it tomorrow night.
now, you'll need to remember to time travel back after watching it to hand it to the postman so he can hand it to you.  after you invent the time travel machine/get it back from Rufus. 
Whoa man, you blew my mind. There's a future me that's already seen it! I wonder if he will post here.
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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2014, 03:27:36 AM »

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Quote from: Caine on January 13, 2014, 11:02:23 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 13, 2014, 10:31:17 PM

As it happens, the postman just brought the Looper disk today. Will probably watch it tomorrow night.
now, you'll need to remember to time travel back after watching it to hand it to the postman so he can hand it to you.  after you invent the time travel machine/get it back from Rufus. 
Whoa man, you blew my mind. There's a future me that's already seen it! I wonder if he will post here.
he did.  this has all happened before. 
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« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2014, 09:41:16 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 14, 2014, 12:01:52 AM

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Quote from: Ironrod on January 13, 2014, 10:31:17 PM

As it happens, the postman just brought the Looper disk today. Will probably watch it tomorrow night.
now, you'll need to remember to time travel back after watching it to hand it to the postman so he can hand it to you.  after you invent the time travel machine/get it back from Rufus. 
Whoa man, you blew my mind. There's a future me that's already seen it! I wonder if he will post here.

He would but I killed him as soon as he finished it.

I would suggest not watching it unarmed.
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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2014, 09:57:09 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on November 17th, 2021, 09:03:53 PM
The robots!  They've taken over everything!  It all started because I rented Looper!  You have to stop me!  And don't forget to shop at Curio City Online for all your phased plasma rifle needs!

But Ironrod, it's already too late to stop you!
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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM »

Future Me here. It was an entertaining and clever story but one glaring plot hole that opened up 10 minutes into the film was never explained, unless I missed something. Somebody tell me how

Spoiler for Hiden:
Looper Central (or the Rainmaker?) knows when a loop isn't closed. Suppose Bruce Willis just runs off through the cornfield and Gordon-Levitt never lets on that he didn't finish the job. How is anyone the wiser? I never saw any indication that there was any kind of verification procedure for any of the executions. Are we supposed to infer that the Rainmaker just knows?

Then there was a scene that just plain confused me.

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When unhooded Bruce Willis appears, Gordon-Levitt fails to kill him and the events of the movie are set in play. Then we see the same scene where hooded Bruce Willis appears, gets shot, and the loop is closed. I get that they were alternate timelines, but I don't get how they were related.

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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2014, 02:55:34 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM

Future Me here. It was an entertaining and clever story but one glaring plot hole that opened up 10 minutes into the film was never explained, unless I missed something. Somebody tell me how

Spoiler for Hiden:
Looper Central (or the Rainmaker?) knows when a loop isn't closed. Suppose Bruce Willis just runs off through the cornfield and Gordon-Levitt never lets on that he didn't finish the job. How is anyone the wiser? I never saw any indication that there was any kind of verification procedure for any of the executions. Are we supposed to infer that the Rainmaker just knows?

Then there was a scene that just plain confused me.

Spoiler for Hiden:
When unhooded Bruce Willis appears, Gordon-Levitt fails to kill him and the events of the movie are set in play. Then we see the same scene where hooded Bruce Willis appears, gets shot, and the loop is closed. I get that they were alternate timelines, but I don't get how they were related.


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1. My guess is that the Looper system include monitoring system where when they send someone back to be killed by looper, they also have someone else that watch the looper to make sure the looper does his job. This is especially important when it is about closing loop.

2. The scene where Bruce Willis appears and gets shot is the experience of the unhooded Bruce Willis. He killed his older self so he get to retire and grow old to be send back as unhooded Bruce Willis.
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« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2014, 03:11:15 AM »

#2 makes sense. #1 you're just guessing, so it's still a big plot hole in my mind.
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« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2014, 01:58:18 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM

Future Me here. It was an entertaining and clever story but one glaring plot hole that opened up 10 minutes into the film was never explained, unless I missed something. Somebody tell me how

Spoiler for Hiden:
Looper Central (or the Rainmaker?) knows when a loop isn't closed. Suppose Bruce Willis just runs off through the cornfield and Gordon-Levitt never lets on that he didn't finish the job. How is anyone the wiser? I never saw any indication that there was any kind of verification procedure for any of the executions. Are we supposed to infer that the Rainmaker just knows?


This was also my question... they never explain that.

Quote from: Ironrod on January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM

Then there was a scene that just plain confused me.

Spoiler for Hiden:
When unhooded Bruce Willis appears, Gordon-Levitt fails to kill him and the events of the movie are set in play. Then we see the same scene where hooded Bruce Willis appears, gets shot, and the loop is closed. I get that they were alternate timelines, but I don't get how they were related.

Spoiler for Hiden:
This was the original loop that lead to Joe's whole life... culminating in the unhooded arrival.
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« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2014, 02:01:25 AM »

These are also timelines with and without the rainmaker, and with and without the consequences.

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« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2014, 03:13:41 AM »

Quote from: kratz on January 17, 2014, 01:58:18 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM

Future Me here. It was an entertaining and clever story but one glaring plot hole that opened up 10 minutes into the film was never explained, unless I missed something. Somebody tell me how

Spoiler for Hiden:
Looper Central (or the Rainmaker?) knows when a loop isn't closed. Suppose Bruce Willis just runs off through the cornfield and Gordon-Levitt never lets on that he didn't finish the job. How is anyone the wiser? I never saw any indication that there was any kind of verification procedure for any of the executions. Are we supposed to infer that the Rainmaker just knows?


This was also my question... they never explain that.

It bothered me so much that I paused the movie 10 or 15 minutes in and told my wife "if they don't explain that, I'm going to have a big problem with this movie." Then they didn't.

I also agree with the earlier comments about the TK aspect being extraneous and overdone. It served to
Spoiler for Hiden:
give the child Rainmaker a defense mechanism while demonstrating why the adult Rainmaker was such a terror.

But that's not the direction I would have taken if I'd written the story.

I love a good time travel story and this was a very good one overall, but not quite great. 
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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2014, 07:09:43 PM »

Man I agree completely Ironrod, though I never fully got past this issue and therefore never recommended this flick to anyone.


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« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2014, 09:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 17, 2014, 03:13:41 AM

Quote from: kratz on January 17, 2014, 01:58:18 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM

Future Me here. It was an entertaining and clever story but one glaring plot hole that opened up 10 minutes into the film was never explained, unless I missed something. Somebody tell me how

Spoiler for Hiden:
Looper Central (or the Rainmaker?) knows when a loop isn't closed. Suppose Bruce Willis just runs off through the cornfield and Gordon-Levitt never lets on that he didn't finish the job. How is anyone the wiser? I never saw any indication that there was any kind of verification procedure for any of the executions. Are we supposed to infer that the Rainmaker just knows?


This was also my question... they never explain that.

It bothered me so much that I paused the movie 10 or 15 minutes in and told my wife "if they don't explain that, I'm going to have a big problem with this movie." Then they didn't.

I also agree with the earlier comments about the TK aspect being extraneous and overdone. It served to
Spoiler for Hiden:
give the child Rainmaker a defense mechanism while demonstrating why the adult Rainmaker was such a terror.

But that's not the direction I would have taken if I'd written the story.

I love a good time travel story and this was a very good one overall, but not quite great.  

Spoiler for Hiden:
I forgot much about the movie but our discussion here made me recall my theory about why Rainmaker want to close the circle and that can explain why he can know without any verification.

In the timeline that Rainmaker is in charge, a looper killed his mother so in the future when he is in control, he closes the loop on all loopers. He doesn't need any verification because the only looper that he is interested in stopping is the one that killed his mother and he know if the looper killed his mother or not.

So the looper movie is about two characters trying to alter the past to save someone. The Rainmaker is trying to save his mother. The Bruce Willis character is trying to save his wife. The paradox is that in his reality, the Rainmaker caused his mother's death because his agents killed Bruce Willis's wife. Same with Bruce Willis character, he caused his wife to die because he tried to kill the Rainmaker.
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« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2014, 11:43:04 PM »

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on January 21, 2014, 09:07:09 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 17, 2014, 03:13:41 AM

Quote from: kratz on January 17, 2014, 01:58:18 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM

Future Me here. It was an entertaining and clever story but one glaring plot hole that opened up 10 minutes into the film was never explained, unless I missed something. Somebody tell me how

Spoiler for Hiden:
Looper Central (or the Rainmaker?) knows when a loop isn't closed. Suppose Bruce Willis just runs off through the cornfield and Gordon-Levitt never lets on that he didn't finish the job. How is anyone the wiser? I never saw any indication that there was any kind of verification procedure for any of the executions. Are we supposed to infer that the Rainmaker just knows?


This was also my question... they never explain that.

It bothered me so much that I paused the movie 10 or 15 minutes in and told my wife "if they don't explain that, I'm going to have a big problem with this movie." Then they didn't.

I also agree with the earlier comments about the TK aspect being extraneous and overdone. It served to
Spoiler for Hiden:
give the child Rainmaker a defense mechanism while demonstrating why the adult Rainmaker was such a terror.

But that's not the direction I would have taken if I'd written the story.

I love a good time travel story and this was a very good one overall, but not quite great.  

Spoiler for Hiden:
I forgot much about the movie but our discussion here made me recall my theory about why Rainmaker want to close the circle and that can explain why he can know without any verification.

In the timeline that Rainmaker is in charge, a looper killed his mother so in the future when he is in control, he closes the loop on all loopers. He doesn't need any verification because the only looper that he is interested in stopping is the one that killed his mother and he know if the looper killed his mother or not.

So the looper movie is about two characters trying to alter the past to save someone. The Rainmaker is trying to save his mother. The Bruce Willis character is trying to save his wife. The paradox is that in his reality, the Rainmaker caused his mother's death because his agents killed Bruce Willis's wife. Same with Bruce Willis character, he caused his wife to die because he tried to kill the Rainmaker.

OK, I missed that entirely. It still doesn't make sense to me, though.
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If he doesn't get verification that a loop was closed, how would he know that the unclosed looper isn't the one who murdered his mother? How does anybody know that they need to send enforcers out to hunt down the escapee?

Maybe I'm missing something here. Paradoxes make my brain hurt.  'tarded!
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« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2014, 11:59:05 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 21, 2014, 11:43:04 PM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on January 21, 2014, 09:07:09 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 17, 2014, 03:13:41 AM

Quote from: kratz on January 17, 2014, 01:58:18 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 16, 2014, 02:31:28 AM

Future Me here. It was an entertaining and clever story but one glaring plot hole that opened up 10 minutes into the film was never explained, unless I missed something. Somebody tell me how

Spoiler for Hiden:
Looper Central (or the Rainmaker?) knows when a loop isn't closed. Suppose Bruce Willis just runs off through the cornfield and Gordon-Levitt never lets on that he didn't finish the job. How is anyone the wiser? I never saw any indication that there was any kind of verification procedure for any of the executions. Are we supposed to infer that the Rainmaker just knows?


This was also my question... they never explain that.

It bothered me so much that I paused the movie 10 or 15 minutes in and told my wife "if they don't explain that, I'm going to have a big problem with this movie." Then they didn't.

I also agree with the earlier comments about the TK aspect being extraneous and overdone. It served to
Spoiler for Hiden:
give the child Rainmaker a defense mechanism while demonstrating why the adult Rainmaker was such a terror.

But that's not the direction I would have taken if I'd written the story.

I love a good time travel story and this was a very good one overall, but not quite great.  

Spoiler for Hiden:
I forgot much about the movie but our discussion here made me recall my theory about why Rainmaker want to close the circle and that can explain why he can know without any verification.

In the timeline that Rainmaker is in charge, a looper killed his mother so in the future when he is in control, he closes the loop on all loopers. He doesn't need any verification because the only looper that he is interested in stopping is the one that killed his mother and he know if the looper killed his mother or not.

So the looper movie is about two characters trying to alter the past to save someone. The Rainmaker is trying to save his mother. The Bruce Willis character is trying to save his wife. The paradox is that in his reality, the Rainmaker caused his mother's death because his agents killed Bruce Willis's wife. Same with Bruce Willis character, he caused his wife to die because he tried to kill the Rainmaker.

OK, I missed that entirely. It still doesn't make sense to me, though.
Spoiler for Hiden:
If he doesn't get verification that a loop was closed, how would he know that the unclosed looper isn't the one who murdered his mother? How does anybody know that they need to send enforcers out to hunt down the escapee?

Maybe I'm missing something here. Paradoxes make my brain hurt.  'tarded!

Spoiler for Hiden:
He is only interested in closing the loop on a single looper but he doesn't know which looper so he closes on all looper. He doesn't need verification because if the loop is close without incident then his mother survived.
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« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2014, 12:43:37 AM »

there is some way to send messages back and forth, they never cover it as far as I know.  The guy in charge in the past seems to have communication with the future though
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« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2014, 03:34:25 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on January 22, 2014, 12:43:37 AM

there is some way to send messages back and forth, they never cover it as far as I know.  The guy in charge in the past seems to have communication with the future though
did they ever allude to sending inorganic material by itself?  that gets you past the first barrier, and having a drop box for notes on a pc or the net somewhere can answer the second. 
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« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2014, 06:02:37 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on January 22, 2014, 12:43:37 AM

there is some way to send messages back and forth, they never cover it as far as I know.  The guy in charge in the past seems to have communication with the future though

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This still doesn't explain how they know that the loop has been allowed to run... unless they are able to see the second version of the person pop up on the grid down the road... I guess the benefit of time travel from the future is that as soon as you know something, you can instantly be at the correct time in the past.

But that doesn't explain it well enough for me to think that's the answer...

It could be as simple as 'they didn't show back up at the club with gold bars', but that seems like something you could coordinate with your future self to take care of... if you knew.  This would have explained it in the case with Seth... he ran as well.  I don't know... time travel is necessarily messy, logically... I think you just have to go with it.
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