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« on: December 15, 2010, 04:00:04 AM »

it's going to be made, but possibly without Favreau?  perhaps he lived out his fantasy of getting physical with Scarlet Johansson  and need to move on  icon_lol

hopefully marvel will see reason and try to make things good with him so we don't end up with the Iron Man 3 version of Batman Forever.
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 04:06:26 AM »

Or the Iron Man 3 version of X-Men 3.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2010, 04:19:23 AM »

still need to see IM2,i loved IM1 and had the pleasure of watching it again(and Indy 4..ahem)while i was in hospital,like Batman Begins i could watch it over and over
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2010, 02:22:30 PM »

Reports say basically that Favreau was making his stand against what Marvel forced upon him in the 2nd Ironman.  Adding the Avengers stuff into Ironman 2 took time away from the central characters and diluted the storyline. While IM2 wasnt a bad movie, it could have been so much more.  Marvel decided to take its top film franchise and turn in into a vehicle to commercialise other Marvel properties.  It appears that they wanted to do more of the same and add a bunch of Marvels 2nd tier superheroes to the plot line.  This way they can sell more licensed product like toys and such and make more off the back end.  So it seems that Favreau wanted to direct an Ironman movie and Marvel wanted him to direct a 2 hour commercial.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2010, 03:11:55 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on December 15, 2010, 04:19:23 AM

still need to see IM2,i loved IM1 and had the pleasure of watching it again(and Indy 4..ahem)while i was in hospital,like Batman Begins i could watch it over and over
I think like most of us you won't find Iron Man 2 has quite the same charms as the first film (although I know plenty of people who didn't like either film). You'll especially note it if you watch the two films back to back.

Some of it probably is (as mentioned here) because of Marvel's meddling need to use each movie now as a launchpad for other films, which imho is really unnecessary. I think IM2 also suffered from not really knowing who the real villain was. Mickey O'Rourke was largely wasted (I think any anonymous mumbling large actor could've done the role as well), and the movie didn't seem to know whether he or Sam Rockwell was the main villain. Scarlet J. was appealing in her limited screen time but she was like this rushed-in blip in a movie that crammed in way too much.

And some of it was probably just because it was plain rushed to get it in theaters 2 years later rather than, say, 3 years. It's also not by the same screenwriters as the first film. I'm not saying Iron Man is Shakespeare or something, but IM2's screenplay just seemed underbaked, by comparison.

In spite of all that, I saw it 3 times in the theater. I just enjoy Robert Downey Jr. in the role, and there was just enough of the first film's charm left for me to have something to like in it. Although I find it ironic that Favreau was always talking about wanting the film not to boil down to guys in metal suits bashing each other -- that's exactly how both films ended. I think it suffered a lot from what Spider-Man 3 suffered from: too many villains, too loud, too dark, forgetting the sense of fun that's often easier to do in an Origin Story.

Downey and Favreau really were partners on the franchise and appeared to love working together. Downey is contracted for a couple more movies and The Avengers, so it's not like he's going to resign or something, but I'm sure he's not happy about this.

Between this and Sony (I assume maybe with Marvel's blessing) jerking the rug out from Sam Raimi when he was in pre-planning for Spider-mans 4 & 5, I've lost a lot of faith in Marvel. I'm pretty sure they could care less though.  icon_razz

As far as "who should direct IM3," I think guessing at that falls into this trap of assuming that super hero films should be directed by guys with experience in special effects-heavy comic book stuff, and robots bashing each other kinds of movies (i.e., Michael Bay). Or, guys who direct music videos.  icon_razz Favreau and Kenneth Branagh for Thor seem really "outside the box," so I'd look to Marvel to search for someone less than obvious again.

If they just pull some Action Director off the rack and throw them in there cause they have to get going on production, I'll be disappointed, even if yes, they don't care what I think. I just can't think of anyone off hand who's looking to direct a sort of 2nd tier alcoholic super hero.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2010, 03:29:05 PM »

I think they couldn't care less.  icon_razz  
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You sum up 2 pretty well.  I just got around to seeing it a couple of weeks ago, and "underbaked" seems about right.

I didn't care for Downey as much this time, but I think it's a structural fault rather than his performance.  In the beginning, he comes off as preening and dickish, as opposed to, say, arrogant but right, IMO.  I don't need him to be 100% likeable, but I'd still like to root for him.  I can't put my finger on what put me off, exactly, either, but I think it had to do with the "I'm keeping my toys for myself" attitude (and the "I'm single-handedly saving the world").  I'm not saying his stance should have been different or that he should have just given his stuff to the military, but a shift in tone would have made it more palatable.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2010, 03:35:09 PM »

Quote from: rshetts2 on December 15, 2010, 02:22:30 PM

So it seems that Favreau wanted to direct an Ironman movie and Marvel wanted him to direct a 2 hour commercial.

You mean like this?

"Favreau will be staying on the Disney lot, at least for now: His next project will be the studio's Magic Kingdom, about a family trapped in Disneyland and their magical encounters with all sorts of Disney attractions and rides"
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2010, 05:15:20 PM »

Yeah, heard yesterday that Jon Favreau is off the project as director.

Marvel, I think you made a biiiiig mistake. (/Arrested Development)
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2010, 05:49:38 PM »

Quote from: PR_GMR on December 15, 2010, 05:15:20 PM

Yeah, heard yesterday that Jon Favreau is off the project as director.

Marvel, I think you made a biiiiig mistake. (/Arrested Development)

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 02:37:45 PM »

there was gonna be more characters from other films in Iron Man 2,this is one of the fight scenes that was cut,after reading this thread,i guess Favreau had something to do with this getting cut

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 03:03:04 AM »

Shane 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang' Black could be writing the script.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 05:16:23 AM »

I could get behind that.  And he's a far better option than that hack that ruined the X-Men franchise (as my wife calls him, Brett Suck-my-ass Ratner).
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2012, 10:08:13 PM »

Ben Kingsley could be playing a villain.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 04:35:43 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on April 09, 2012, 10:08:13 PM

Ben Kingsley could be playing a villain.

I love Ben Kingsley(hey he grew up in my town),but whenever he plays a bad guy the movie turns out shit...put him on the good guys,and the movie should be okay Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2012, 04:48:57 AM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 10, 2012, 04:35:43 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 09, 2012, 10:08:13 PM

Ben Kingsley could be playing a villain.

I love Ben Kingsley(hey he grew up in my town),but whenever he plays a bad guy the movie turns out shit...put him on the good guys,and the movie should be okay Tongue

what are you talking about?  he was a great villain in Thunderturds and Bloodpain(fultowatchexceptforthepartwithkristannalokenstits)!
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2012, 04:56:32 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on April 10, 2012, 04:48:57 AM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 10, 2012, 04:35:43 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 09, 2012, 10:08:13 PM

Ben Kingsley could be playing a villain.

I love Ben Kingsley(hey he grew up in my town),but whenever he plays a bad guy the movie turns out shit...put him on the good guys,and the movie should be okay Tongue

what are you talking about?  he was a great villain in Thunderturds and Bloodpain(fultowatchexceptforthepartwithkristannalokenstits)!

He was good in Sexy Beast.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2012, 05:11:17 AM »

Quote from: leo8877 on April 10, 2012, 04:56:32 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 10, 2012, 04:48:57 AM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 10, 2012, 04:35:43 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 09, 2012, 10:08:13 PM

Ben Kingsley could be playing a villain.

I love Ben Kingsley(hey he grew up in my town),but whenever he plays a bad guy the movie turns out shit...put him on the good guys,and the movie should be okay Tongue

what are you talking about?  he was a great villain in Thunderturds and Bloodpain(fultowatchexceptforthepartwithkristannalokenstits)!

He was good in Sexy Beast.

This.

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2012, 10:20:10 PM »

More recently, Kingsley was excellent in Hugo, if at times almost unrecognizable.  icon_smile

He made a pretty good, sometimes sympathetic villain in Sneakers. I guess I'm just afraid that this either means the Mandarin isn't making the Iron Man 3 cut afterall, or more fearfully, it'll go down the path of Spider-Man 3 and Iron Man 2 in having so many villains that you don't really give a damn about any of them.

I'd rather they stick with the Iron Man/Spider-Man 2 template of you got your main, overriding villain (Stane, and Doc Ock), and then maybe a secondary bad guy or questionable good guy whose story maybe carries over to the next movie but who doesn't sort of compete for attention with the overriding villain. Though if this is really curtains for the Downey Jr. Iron Man series, I could see it going in other directions.
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2012, 10:38:38 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on April 10, 2012, 10:20:10 PM

More recently, Kingsley was excellent in Hugo, if at times almost unrecognizable.  icon_smile

He made a pretty good, sometimes sympathetic villain in Sneakers. I guess I'm just afraid that this either means the Mandarin isn't making the Iron Man 3 cut afterall, or more fearfully, it'll go down the path of Spider-Man 3 and Iron Man 2 in having so many villains that you don't really give a damn about any of them.

I'd rather they stick with the Iron Man/Spider-Man 2 template of you got your main, overriding villain (Stane, and Doc Ock), and then maybe a secondary bad guy or questionable good guy whose story maybe carries over to the next movie but who doesn't sort of compete for attention with the overriding villain. Though if this is really curtains for the Downey Jr. Iron Man series, I could see it going in other directions.


wasn't there just a main villain and a secondary bad guy in IM2?
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2012, 03:15:49 AM »

Iron Man 2 definitely didn't suffer from having too many villains.  Just Rourke's and Rockwell's characters.
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 03:38:33 PM »

An update from the Hypesters, although it's sort of "non-news news"

Exclusive: Sir Ben Kingsley's Iron Man 3 Character Still Being Developed
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170511-exclusive-sir-ben-kingsleys-character-still-in-qearly-stagesq
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It was announced a few weeks ago that Sir Ben Kingsley would be playing an unnamed villain in the movie--something Marvel Studios has yet to confirm with any sort of press release, mind you--and though it was reported he won't be playing the Mandarin (as suggested by Favreau way back in 2008),  when SuperHeroHype had a chance to talk to Sir Ben, we wanted to ask whether he's figured out exatly what level of bad guy he'd be bringing to the movie, knowing full well he wouldn't be able to say much.

Even though the production is starting in Wilmington, North Carolina soon, Sir Ben is actually going to be doing another movie first as he told us:

"I'm filming 'Ender's Game' in New Orleans right now and then I go onto a film called ' The Physician,' which is a beautiful film about a physician and then I go into 'Iron Man,'" he told us during the junket for Sacha Baron Cohen's The Dictator. "Quite soon I'll be with everybody and we'll be discussing the look and the feel and the direction of the character. It's very early days yet, but I'm so thrilled to be on board."
Looking back, the main Iron Man 2 problem was the script. Even the first IM was supposed to have a rather thin script that Favreau and Downey ended up massaging a lot on-set.

Contrast that with The Avengers, where Downey (and really the whole cast) said they loved Whedon's script right from the get-go. Downey would ask Whedon on set for "options" so they could try different things, and Whedon could take an hour or whatever, write up a few different line choices, and then move on.

I'm hopeful IM3 too will benefit from an experienced screenwriter (Shane Black) as director in that way, and that they don't seem to be rushing production on this quite as frantically as for IM2.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2012, 12:00:38 PM »

Rebecca Hall (The Town) nabs female lead in 'Iron Man 3' - Entertainment News
http://www.variety.com/gallery-listing/
Jessica Chastain had to drop out at the last minute (filming starts this month in North Carolina). Role's a female scientist.
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2012, 05:49:13 AM »

Favreau will be back!  also, a new villain named Firepower.
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2012, 08:30:09 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on May 25, 2012, 05:49:13 AM

Favreau will be back!  also, a new villain named Firepower.


Excellent News,even though Iron Man 2 wasn't as great as Iron Man 1 i still wouldn't really want anyone else directing,and hopefully it can be as good as the first

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2012, 08:44:58 AM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on May 25, 2012, 08:30:09 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 25, 2012, 05:49:13 AM

Favreau will be back!  also, a new villain named Firepower.


Excellent News,even though Iron Man 2 wasn't as great as Iron Man 1 i still wouldn't really want anyone else directing,and hopefully it can be as good as the first

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well crap-  you might want to re-read the fixed version then  icon_twisted
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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2012, 02:11:51 PM »

whoa, that came out of the blule.  Good news though!  I wonder if the less than stellar acceptance that Cowboys and Aliens had was a factor in his decision to return to a proven franchise.

edit:  whoops, i should've read the damn article BEFORE posting.  He's coming back as an actor only. 
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2012, 03:51:16 PM »

They need Uwe Boll to direct this, that way no one would ever attempt to use a Marvel hero movie as a commercial for other Marvel franchises again. Oh, wait...  icon_twisted
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2012, 04:42:52 PM »

The article reminded me how much I hate Variety. "Skedded"? Really?
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The article reminded me how much I hate Variety. "Skedded"? Really?

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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2012, 06:33:54 PM »

I've read too many articles about too many cast members being added and too many characters (I think we'll need a flow chart diagram on our smartphones to understand who the heck all these people are).

I'm afraid all that was not so right about Iron Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 and other overblown sequels that can't figure out who their main villain is or what story to focus on may still come to pass. Which would be a shame. Hopefully I'm wrong.  paranoid

imho the more recent IM comics they're trying to draw inspiration from are great. I just have a sick feeling they're biting off more than they can chew in one 2 hour film.

I just get the impression when they don't have an Origin story to fill in the gaps, studios get worried and throw in as many secondary characters and multiple villains as possible to fill that gap. But what do we really want? We probably want more of the characters we love, and deeper development of them. And a villain who's memorable.

Right now it's sounding like IM3 could have 3, or 4 villains. imho, one primary, memorable villain and maybe an interesting secondary or "lieutenant" is all you really need. The more they overstuff it, the less chance anyone has to be memorable. I just have a sick feeling they're over-stuffing this. Filming starts soon (or maybe already), so we'll see soon enough.
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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2012, 07:29:07 PM »

Yup, the clear lesson of superhero movies over the past 10 years is the more villains the worse the movie...
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2012, 08:41:53 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on May 25, 2012, 06:33:54 PM

I've read too many articles about too many cast members being added and too many characters (I think we'll need a flow chart diagram on our smartphones to understand who the heck all these people are).

I'm afraid all that was not so right about Iron Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 and other overblown sequels that can't figure out who their main villain is or what story to focus on may still come to pass. Which would be a shame. Hopefully I'm wrong.  paranoid

imho the more recent IM comics they're trying to draw inspiration from are great. I just have a sick feeling they're biting off more than they can chew in one 2 hour film.

I just get the impression when they don't have an Origin story to fill in the gaps, studios get worried and throw in as many secondary characters and multiple villains as possible to fill that gap. But what do we really want? We probably want more of the characters we love, and deeper development of them. And a villain who's memorable.

Right now it's sounding like IM3 could have 3, or 4 villains. imho, one primary, memorable villain and maybe an interesting secondary or "lieutenant" is all you really need. The more they overstuff it, the less chance anyone has to be memorable. I just have a sick feeling they're over-stuffing this. Filming starts soon (or maybe already), so we'll see soon enough.

you might be right about IM3, but I'm pretty sure we covered this regarding IM2 before.  There was only one main villain, and one sorta villain which is what you just said is ok, yet you continue to mention that IM2 had too many villains.  Unless you are counting every drone, then that's just not the case.
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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2012, 10:24:04 PM »

costume revealed!

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I'm not sure where they're going with this one, but here is an explanation of the costume.
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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2012, 06:48:22 AM »

Quote from: Blackjack on May 25, 2012, 06:33:54 PM

I've read too many articles about too many cast members being added and too many characters (I think we'll need a flow chart diagram on our smartphones to understand who the heck all these people are).

I'm afraid all that was not so right about Iron Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 and other overblown sequels that can't figure out who their main villain is or what story to focus on may still come to pass. Which would be a shame. Hopefully I'm wrong.  paranoid

imho the more recent IM comics they're trying to draw inspiration from are great. I just have a sick feeling they're biting off more than they can chew in one 2 hour film.

I just get the impression when they don't have an Origin story to fill in the gaps, studios get worried and throw in as many secondary characters and multiple villains as possible to fill that gap. But what do we really want? We probably want more of the characters we love, and deeper development of them. And a villain who's memorable.

Right now it's sounding like IM3 could have 3, or 4 villains. imho, one primary, memorable villain and maybe an interesting secondary or "lieutenant" is all you really need. The more they overstuff it, the less chance anyone has to be memorable. I just have a sick feeling they're over-stuffing this. Filming starts soon (or maybe already), so we'll see soon enough.

What if they're only focusing on one or two villains? For example: Start the movie with an action sequence of Ironman defeating a villain before the main title. Then the movie is about one main villain (or two). Then after the story conclude, Iron man face the fourth villain and we get "The End" before the actual fight between Iron man and the new villain.
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2012, 01:57:06 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on May 25, 2012, 08:41:53 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on May 25, 2012, 06:33:54 PM

I've read too many articles about too many cast members being added and too many characters (I think we'll need a flow chart diagram on our smartphones to understand who the heck all these people are).

I'm afraid all that was not so right about Iron Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 and other overblown sequels that can't figure out who their main villain is or what story to focus on may still come to pass. Which would be a shame. Hopefully I'm wrong.  paranoid

imho the more recent IM comics they're trying to draw inspiration from are great. I just have a sick feeling they're biting off more than they can chew in one 2 hour film.

I just get the impression when they don't have an Origin story to fill in the gaps, studios get worried and throw in as many secondary characters and multiple villains as possible to fill that gap. But what do we really want? We probably want more of the characters we love, and deeper development of them. And a villain who's memorable.

Right now it's sounding like IM3 could have 3, or 4 villains. imho, one primary, memorable villain and maybe an interesting secondary or "lieutenant" is all you really need. The more they overstuff it, the less chance anyone has to be memorable. I just have a sick feeling they're over-stuffing this. Filming starts soon (or maybe already), so we'll see soon enough.

you might be right about IM3, but I'm pretty sure we covered this regarding IM2 before.  There was only one main villain, and one sorta villain which is what you just said is ok, yet you continue to mention that IM2 had too many villains.  Unless you are counting every drone, then that's just not the case.

Yep.  You're right.  A) You've mentioned it before (in this very thread!), and B) I don't get why Blackjack keeps insisting that IM2 couldn't figure out what its main story was because of "too many villains".  I thought it was perfectly clear.
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2012, 07:55:44 PM »

from Comic-Con:

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2012, 12:01:18 AM »

Too much gold.
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2012, 12:04:33 AM »

here's a closer look:



of course this could only be one suit he uses.  he had what, 3 suits in IM2?
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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2012, 12:03:50 AM »

Kingsley's character revealed:

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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2012, 12:23:30 AM »

I think everyone kinda assumed that no matter how many times he and everyone else stated he wasn't going to be Mandarin, that he was Mandarin.
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