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« on: May 01, 2010, 12:43:12 AM »

July 20th, 2012

script by the Nolans and Goyer.

that's all they're saying.

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2010, 01:11:32 AM »

same writers as The Dark Knight,cool...i was thinking one of the Nolans was sodding off to do something else,good to see they are both still involved

so,who you reckon will be the bad guy/s this time round?

its kinda shame that they let The Joker live at the end of the second one,only not being able to use Heath Ledger for it...and i can't see anyone else stepping into the Jokers shoes for the time being

be interesting to see what the title would be this time as well(guessing that it wont be Batman 3)..something that implies about him being a fugitive now?

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2010, 01:34:38 AM »

Let's hope 2 years is time enough for Christian Bale to forget his "Growly McGrowlerson" Batman voice. Seriously you could lock Jack Palance, Clint Eastwood, and a pitbull in a room with a microphone and not even come close to the annoyance level of that voice.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2010, 01:39:23 AM »

Quote from: YellowKing on May 01, 2010, 01:34:38 AM

Let's hope 2 years is time enough for Christian Bale to forget his "Growly McGrowlerson" Batman voice. Seriously you could lock Jack Palance, Clint Eastwood, and a pitbull in a room with a microphone and not even come close to the annoyance level of that voice.

What do you expect?  Not only should he not go around sounding like Bruce Wayne, probably the most famous person in Gotham City, but he also needs to seem like a badass.  How is this voice out of character or annoying?
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2010, 03:17:25 AM »

I think him and Alec Baldwin should have a growl-off.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2010, 03:21:55 AM »

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How is this voice out of character or annoying?

It's annoying in the context of the fact that he didn't sound nearly that over-the-top in the first movie. I found it extremely distracting, as did a lot of people - his voice was mocked and mentioned in tons of reviews when the movie came out, though that small flaw was overshadowed by the critical praise.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2010, 04:11:15 AM »

Quote from: Eel Snave on May 01, 2010, 03:17:25 AM

I think him and Alec Baldwin should have a growl-off.

oddly enough I just watched that Crisis on Two Earths animated movie they just put out and they had William Baldwin voicing Bats.
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2010, 02:01:35 PM »

There's only one Batman villain I can think of that would work perfectly for this new movie (without being Catwoman, which I think they should avoid for now). That villain would be The Riddler. They could use him as an insane mass murderer who's desperate to prove how superior he is to everyone else and use it as an excuse to kill them. Sort of like Saw, but without the torture porn. I'd also like to see Two-Face return.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2010, 02:40:00 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on May 01, 2010, 02:01:35 PM

There's only one Batman villain I can think of that would work perfectly for this new movie (without being Catwoman, which I think they should avoid for now). That villain would be The Riddler. They could use him as an insane mass murderer who's desperate to prove how superior he is to everyone else and use it as an excuse to kill them. Sort of like Saw, but without the torture porn. I'd also like to see Two-Face return.

I think that would work, but I can't help but think of Batman Forever if those were to two villains involved.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2010, 02:44:48 PM »

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Quote from: TiLT on May 01, 2010, 02:01:35 PM

There's only one Batman villain I can think of that would work perfectly for this new movie (without being Catwoman, which I think they should avoid for now). That villain would be The Riddler. They could use him as an insane mass murderer who's desperate to prove how superior he is to everyone else and use it as an excuse to kill them. Sort of like Saw, but without the torture porn. I'd also like to see Two-Face return.

I think that would work, but I can't help but think of Batman Forever if those were to two villains involved.

But didn't two-face die in the dark knight?
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2010, 02:46:13 PM »

Dent is dead, so Two-Face is right out. The sad irony of which villain they left alive at the end of Dark Knight ....

I'd like to see the Riddler, as well. Also, the Penguin (as a formally-dressed mobster, maybe a gun-runner as he often is in the comics, not as a freakish bird-person like in the 1991 film) would be a perfect fit for this universe, in my opinion.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2010, 02:49:30 PM »

I remember Nolan saying the third film would be the end of his run directing them.  he's outright said don't expect Mr. Freeze so I'm guessing we'll be left with more down to earth villians like the already mentioned Riddler and Catwoman.  Maybe we'll see Zsasz back, or someone like the Black Mask or the Red Hood.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2010, 04:05:22 PM »

I wouldn't be so sure that Dent is dead. Don't forget that both Batman and Gordon wanted to hide what had happened to him from the general population. They may have stowed him anonymously away in Arkham Asylum and held a fake funeral to give people closure. The last thing they'd want is for someone to find Two-Face and start asking him those uncomfortable and dangerous questions.

Also, why couldn't Dent survive that fall when Batman got away unscathed?

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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2010, 04:09:49 PM »

he might of, but when Nolan says he's dead it might be a stretch, at least until someone else takes over.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2010, 04:10:08 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on May 01, 2010, 04:05:22 PM

I wouldn't be so sure that Dent is dead. Don't forget that both Batman and Gordon wanted to hide what had happened to him from the general population. They may have stowed him anonymously away in Arkham Asylum and held a fake funeral to give people closure. The last thing they'd want is for someone to find Two-Face and start asking him those uncomfortable and dangerous questions.

Also, why couldn't Dent survive that fall when Batman got away unscathed?



Because he's the goddamn Batman.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2010, 05:45:20 PM »

Quote from: SkyLander on May 01, 2010, 04:10:08 PM

Quote from: TiLT on May 01, 2010, 04:05:22 PM

I wouldn't be so sure that Dent is dead. Don't forget that both Batman and Gordon wanted to hide what had happened to him from the general population. They may have stowed him anonymously away in Arkham Asylum and held a fake funeral to give people closure. The last thing they'd want is for someone to find Two-Face and start asking him those uncomfortable and dangerous questions.

Also, why couldn't Dent survive that fall when Batman got away unscathed?



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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2010, 06:37:04 PM »

I didn't like that version of Two-Face much anyway, so I hope he is dead.
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2010, 06:47:58 PM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on May 01, 2010, 06:37:04 PM

I didn't like that version of Two-Face much anyway, so I hope he is dead.

if they had given him time to develop he might have been good, I've always felt torn about the way they handled him.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2010, 07:59:25 PM »

They had a memorial for him, so he's dead.

Although, I do think they should have kept him alive, if only to explore that interesting relationship that Two-Face and Batman had with Bruce trying to rehabilitate Two Face and feeling responsible for what happened to him.

But overall, it's not that big a loss considering that means no villian bloat, and Nolan is directing the series as a series of one offs which is fine by me.
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2010, 08:41:54 PM »

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Quote from: SkyLander on May 01, 2010, 04:10:08 PM

Quote from: TiLT on May 01, 2010, 04:05:22 PM

I wouldn't be so sure that Dent is dead. Don't forget that both Batman and Gordon wanted to hide what had happened to him from the general population. They may have stowed him anonymously away in Arkham Asylum and held a fake funeral to give people closure. The last thing they'd want is for someone to find Two-Face and start asking him those uncomfortable and dangerous questions.

Also, why couldn't Dent survive that fall when Batman got away unscathed?



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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2010, 01:54:06 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on May 01, 2010, 04:05:22 PM

Also, why couldn't Dent survive that fall when Batman got away unscathed?

because Bats is trained to take a fall while Harvey wasn't.

and because he's the goddamn Batman.
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2010, 03:19:53 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on May 02, 2010, 01:54:06 AM

Quote from: TiLT on May 01, 2010, 04:05:22 PM

Also, why couldn't Dent survive that fall when Batman got away unscathed?

because Bats is trained to take a fall while Harvey wasn't.

and because he's the goddamn Batman.

and because he's wearing a survival suit and Harvey was wearing the Men's Warehouse special.

and because he's the goddamn Batman.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2010, 03:14:28 PM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on May 01, 2010, 06:37:04 PM

I didn't like that version of Two-Face much anyway, so I hope he is dead.

whaaaa?

I was really surprised how great that role was pulled off...  with all the press about the joker being in the film i didn't expect a whole lot of two face story.  In my first viewing, when it looked like there was going to be a significant two-face story I started to roll my eyes (thinking this can not end well).  I was astonished that it came out so well.

if Ledger had not died, I think it might have been noticed more.

Ledger was over the top fantastic as the Joker... Two-Face was near equally well done in my opinion


(not counting the horrifically bad choice of story line regarding which friend batman was going to save and the stupid boat choice showdown)
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2010, 05:15:45 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on May 01, 2010, 04:09:49 PM

he might of, but when Nolan says he's dead it might be a stretch, at least until someone else takes over.

Obviously, it's less authoritative than a public statement by Nolan, but the script to the Dark Knight also explicitly states that Dent is dead. Poor Harvey!
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2010, 08:21:38 PM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on May 02, 2010, 05:15:45 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 01, 2010, 04:09:49 PM

he might of, but when Nolan says he's dead it might be a stretch, at least until someone else takes over.

Obviously, it's less authoritative than a public statement by Nolan, but the script to the Dark Knight also explicitly states that Dent is dead. Poor Harvey!

He was dead and the Joker was supposed to continue on the series.  With Ledger's death, Dent's death became less concrete.
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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2010, 08:35:49 PM »

Quote from: rickfc on May 02, 2010, 08:21:38 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on May 02, 2010, 05:15:45 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 01, 2010, 04:09:49 PM

he might of, but when Nolan says he's dead it might be a stretch, at least until someone else takes over.

Obviously, it's less authoritative than a public statement by Nolan, but the script to the Dark Knight also explicitly states that Dent is dead. Poor Harvey!

He was dead and the Joker was supposed to continue on the series.  With Ledger's death, Dent's death became less concrete.

I believe Nolan's statement was after Ledgers death.
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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2010, 09:42:47 PM »

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Quote from: Fireball1244 on May 02, 2010, 05:15:45 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 01, 2010, 04:09:49 PM

he might of, but when Nolan says he's dead it might be a stretch, at least until someone else takes over.

Obviously, it's less authoritative than a public statement by Nolan, but the script to the Dark Knight also explicitly states that Dent is dead. Poor Harvey!

He was dead and the Joker was supposed to continue on the series.  With Ledger's death, Dent's death became less concrete.

I don't see how it became less concrete. In neither the script nor the film does anyone say "Harvey is dead," but the action description for the scene with Havey on the ground does describe Harvey as dead. If they changed anything between the written page and the final film in response to Ledger's death, it's not obvious going through the script while watching the film -- the action on the page is identical to the images on the screen.

I don't think there was any chance that Joker would appear in Batman 3, even if Ledger hadn't died.
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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2010, 10:27:17 PM »

As long as Nolan is making Batman 3 then I think Two Face stays dead.  However if Nolan had opted out then I think there was enough wiggle room on screen in TDK that another creative team could have brought him back. 
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2010, 11:23:39 PM »

reckon we will see the Scarecrow again?,he had a cameo on TDK..and Cillian Murphy is pretty damn cool as him(i just saw Sunshine last night with him in as well which was decent enough)
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2010, 07:07:48 PM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on May 02, 2010, 09:42:47 PM

Quote from: rickfc on May 02, 2010, 08:21:38 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on May 02, 2010, 05:15:45 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 01, 2010, 04:09:49 PM

he might of, but when Nolan says he's dead it might be a stretch, at least until someone else takes over.

Obviously, it's less authoritative than a public statement by Nolan, but the script to the Dark Knight also explicitly states that Dent is dead. Poor Harvey!

He was dead and the Joker was supposed to continue on the series.  With Ledger's death, Dent's death became less concrete.

I don't see how it became less concrete. In neither the script nor the film does anyone say "Harvey is dead," but the action description for the scene with Havey on the ground does describe Harvey as dead.


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...it’s quite clear in the script as it reads: “Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD.” Exactly as it’s printed here, “DEAD” is in all CAPS.

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2010, 07:19:54 PM »

I think Aaron says it best:

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Nolan says he's dead. Until Nolan says otherwise or is replaced it's safe to say he's dead.
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2010, 07:41:20 PM »

Damn comic books, arguments over people that are said to be dead and wondering if them saying he is dead REALLY means he is dead....

"Harvey Dent isn't really dead."

"...but in the script it says he is dead."

"WELL THEY DIDN'T SAY IT HARD ENOUGH."

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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2010, 08:56:12 PM »

It's a comic book story. We could see the character do what that smiley is doing right in front of us and he could still come back. That said, they have gone with a more realistic feel for this series, so I hope he stays dead. There are plenty of villains in the Batman mythology.

How about Poison Ivy ala Arkham Asylum?  unibrow
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2010, 09:16:35 PM »

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How about Poison Ivy ala Arkham Asylum?  unibrow


we have had Poison Ivy(Uma Thurman) in ....*shudders* 'Batman and Robin'..and i think everyone wants to stay away from that film as much as possible....Harley Quinn (ala Arkham Asylum)however would be very welcome,however she is always partnered with The Joker,so no doubt we would have to see him again to see her
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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2010, 09:16:55 PM »

I can't see her fitting in with the Nolanverse without taking away all the powers that make her a fun villain.  I can see Harley Quinn working though.
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2010, 10:09:31 PM »

I think what's cool is that Batman Begins shows the writers aren't afraid to use lesser known villains, which have the advantage of bringing less baggage to the screen imho. OTOH, The Dark Knight shows they're not afraid to use a villain that seemingly had an unmatchable performance already (Nicholson in Burton's '89 Batman).

I wouldn't get too hyped up about all the casting rumors flying around cause the first two movies drew so much way-off-target speculation, it was amusing. And it probably worked to their advantage cause they could cast whom they really wanted while all the bloggers and columnists veered off in the wrong direction.

I just beg them to avoid stunt-casting, and Too Many Villains syndrome (Spider-Man 3). I think it gets really tempting once you reach #3 to try to top yourself. I trust Nolan not to do that, though he hasn't done any other franchises so really there's nothing to judge him by there.

If you like speculating on villains, the Wiki entry is kinda useful (it includes villains from the comics, along with ones created for the various animated series):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman_Family_enemies

When I was into comics collecting in the late 1980s, the KGBeast was one of my favorite story arcs:
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I don't think he's quite famous enough, and probably for a #3 they'd go with someone more known I think (even just "casually known").
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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2010, 10:17:10 PM »

I think teaming up Egghead and King Tut would be perfect for #3.
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2010, 10:55:49 PM »

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...it’s quite clear in the script as it reads: “Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD.” Exactly as it’s printed here, “DEAD” is in all CAPS.

Whenever a character in a screenplay dies or is shown dead the first time, the word DEAD is always in capitals. I suppose it's a way of emphasizing without including a note to the actor: "So don't let us see you breathing!"
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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2010, 10:57:41 PM »

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I think teaming up Egghead and King Tut would be perfect for #3.

Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum were in Batman Begins, so I don't see why Egghead can't be in Batman 3!
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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2010, 12:00:06 AM »

while we're waiting we can alway view Batman 30!! icon_twisted
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