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« on: September 29, 2006, 04:01:19 AM »

The Iraq war is costing us...

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/09/28/cost_of_iraq_war_nearly_2b_a_week/

Or effectively, this much money in the last 2 weeks in VISUAL terms..

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2006, 11:43:24 AM »

Is that in 1.00 bills or 100.00s?

I guess it wouldn't be as visually arresting if it was a guy standing next to a check... ninja2
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2006, 01:28:41 PM »

What does Dubya care? It's us forking over the bill for the war, thats a lot of tax money when there's so many things we could be doing here in the U.S. instead with that kind of money.

Future generations will be paying dearly for Dubya's record high deficit.
I cant believe we have to have this idiot in power for 2 more years.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2006, 02:54:45 PM »

Quote from: corruptrelic on September 29, 2006, 01:28:41 PM

What does Dubya care? It's us forking over the bill for the war, thats a lot of tax money when there's so many things we could be doing here in the U.S. instead with that kind of money.

Future generations will be paying dearly for Dubya's record high deficit.
I cant believe we have to have this idiot in power for 2 more years.


Deficits come and go. Let's not be melodramatic. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2006, 03:10:44 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 29, 2006, 02:54:45 PM

Deficits come and go. Let's not be melodramatic. 

Absolutely true.  What bugs me the most though, is how the government, when it comes to something important, like Schools, Heathcare, Environment and Alternative fuels says "That is far far too expensive".  Then they throw around multiple hundreds of billions on things like a useless war without any real accounting for it.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2006, 03:19:51 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 03:10:44 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 29, 2006, 02:54:45 PM

Deficits come and go. Let's not be melodramatic. 

Absolutely true.  What bugs me the most though, is how the government, when it comes to something important, like Schools, Heathcare, Environment and Alternative fuels says "That is far far too expensive".  Then they throw around multiple hundreds of billions on things like a useless war without any real accounting for it.

Since when is the federal government responsible for things like schools and health care?  Where in the Constitution does it say "The Federal government must provide the people with access to health care"?

Yes, we're wasting too much money in Iraq, but it's foolish (and socialist) to run around saying the money would be better spent on entitlement programs.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2006, 03:45:27 PM »

Since when did the Constitution matter to Bush?

http://www.nsba.org/sbot/toolkit/FedFund.html

Anyway, point is, they always find some excuse to NOT spend money on the American people.  Yet magically can find hundreds of billions to toss away on some far away land on a people that hate us.  This government is pure shit, plain and simple.  Bush likes to run around saying "Islamifacism", maybe I should run around saying "CorporateFacism", because that's all we are now.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2006, 04:52:36 PM »

Unbreakable 2.0?
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2006, 05:10:20 PM »

Quote from: JLu on September 29, 2006, 04:52:36 PM

Unbreakable 2.0?
Unbreakable's last post was in July... Kobra registers in August.  Coincidence????!?!??  Probably!

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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2006, 05:15:03 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 03:45:27 PM

Since when did the Constitution matter to Bush?

http://www.nsba.org/sbot/toolkit/FedFund.html

Anyway, point is, they always find some excuse to NOT spend money on the American people.  Yet magically can find hundreds of billions to toss away on some far away land on a people that hate us.  This government is pure shit, plain and simple.  Bush likes to run around saying "Islamifacism", maybe I should run around saying "CorporateFacism", because that's all we are now.

Good grief. Since LBJ started the War on Poverty the federal government has spent literally *trillions* of dollars on the American people.
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2006, 06:02:53 PM »

Of course schools were in tip top shape when Bush came into office and they've since begun an unprecendented slide-30+ years of decline!  And everyone was insured too before him too.

Of course, if Bush was offering funds for land mines and machine gun nests on the Mexican border, there'd be no problem then would there?
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2006, 06:13:06 PM »

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Of course, if Bush was offering funds for land mines and machine gun nests on the Mexican border, there'd be no problem then would there?

That would be correct.

Plus, it's been shown that generally speaking, the more money you throw at schools, the worse they do.  Look at Washington DC: they have close to the highest per capita spending in their public school system, and it's totally shite.

Don't forget, No Child Left Behind was a Teddy Kennedy idea.  Democrat ahoy!
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2006, 06:50:27 PM »

I was telling my wife last night that I'd like to see a new ad on TV in wide circulation -

"Hey.  I'm just like you.  I spend too much and I save too little.  I have healthcare for my kids, but I don't have any for myself.  I don't particularly see eye to eye with Democrats or Republicans, and I think they've lost sight of the middle of the road where the rest of us live.  I'm not asking you to vote for anyone.  You heard me...vote for who you think will do the best job.  Break the 2 party rule and put the best person for the job in office."

Personally, I don't support any political organizations.  I just want to see the right person get the job.  Unfortunately there is a massive flaw in my plan - I have to ask a public that voted Clinton in because of his looks (Whhhhaaaaa?????) and Dubby in because of his religion (Kill em all!  No stem cells for you!) to think for once instead of just punching their chads and getting their "I voted" sticker.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2006, 06:54:23 PM »

The core of the matter really - Bush is going to leave this country in tatters, and it will take decades to clean up his messes.  He always says "History will judge me", I fully agree with his statement regarding that, and without a doubt I feel history will judge him as the greatest fuckup of the century.

I read a recent poll from Iraq that says 81% of the population view the US as hostile occupiers, and support the resistance.  So we know how that mess with all turn out..
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2006, 06:59:33 PM »

Kobra, we're only 6 years into the century. Seeing how horrible humans were in the last century, I doubt Bush will be the worst fuck up this century, unfortunately.

Also, I really really like the "I Voted" stickers. I have quite a few! They're shiny, round, and in blue font.
However, I hate politicians, and have a really hard time actually voting for any of them, as I can't imagine ANY of them doing a good job, or even "the best" job. Oh, and that whole anarchism thing.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2006, 07:02:21 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 06:54:23 PM

The core of the matter really - Bush is going to leave this country in tatters, and it will take decades to clean up his messes.  He always says "History will judge me", I fully agree with his statement regarding that, and without a doubt I feel history will judge him as the greatest fuckup of the century.

I read a recent poll from Iraq that says 81% of the population view the US as hostile occupiers, and support the resistance.  So we know how that mess with all turn out..

Good thing we all know that polls are accurate.

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2006, 07:22:08 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on September 29, 2006, 07:02:21 PM

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 06:54:23 PM

The core of the matter really - Bush is going to leave this country in tatters, and it will take decades to clean up his messes.  He always says "History will judge me", I fully agree with his statement regarding that, and without a doubt I feel history will judge him as the greatest fuckup of the century.

I read a recent poll from Iraq that says 81% of the population view the US as hostile occupiers, and support the resistance.  So we know how that mess with all turn out..

Good thing we all know that polls are accurate.

 Roll Eyes



+1.

I'm sure the same poll failed to ask these Iraqis if they'd rather still be under Saddam's rule or not.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2006, 07:23:20 PM »

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Ok. Come on now.  Tatters?  Darfur is tatters.  Any of another dozen African countries are tatters (but we shouldn't help them as we need to money! -sorry, I editorialized that-).  Parts of the former Soviet bloc are tatters.  The US tatters?  

When the roving bands of genocidal militia start circling or when we're machine gunning poor people looking for a better life for themselves and their children, then I'll agree, we're in tatters.

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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2006, 07:25:17 PM »

Just a friendly, sane reminder that Kobra sensationalizes everything.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2006, 07:39:09 PM »

maybe you like kobra, maybe you dont.  maybe you like president bush, maybe you dont.  but come on wheres the outrage? this is our money!  or i guess more accurately our childrens and grandchildrens money - theyre the ones who will have to deal with outrageous interest rate jumps or a vastly depreciated currency (at best).  if i went into your house and stole your lousy 600 tv youd be furious - i guess this goes to show you if youre going to do something, do it on a scale so large its numbing to even comprehend
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2006, 08:29:25 PM »

With around 200 million taxpayers, it's not enough to get worked up about. $10 a week.  Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2006, 08:31:25 PM »

448 BILLION?  As for voting, keep in mind, Democrats are right on this lametrain as well.. 100-0 was the vote..  I honestly don't think our vote means too much in this country anymore, I want a third party that is viable...  I tend to think Libertarian is the way to go, New Hampshire should be our shining example.  Maybe we need some states to break from the union to shake things up.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/29/D8KEMH300.html

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The Senate unanimously approved $70 billion more for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan Friday as part of a record Pentagon budget.

The bill, now on its way to the White House for President Bush's signature, totals $448 billion. It was passed by a 100-0 vote after minimal debate.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2006, 08:35:10 PM »

Quote from: Doopri on September 29, 2006, 07:39:09 PM

maybe you like kobra, maybe you dont.  maybe you like president bush, maybe you dont.  but come on wheres the outrage? this is our money!  or i guess more accurately our childrens and grandchildrens money - theyre the ones who will have to deal with outrageous interest rate jumps or a vastly depreciated currency (at best).  if i went into your house and stole your lousy 600 tv youd be furious - i guess this goes to show you if youre going to do something, do it on a scale so large its numbing to even comprehend

Are we still paying for WWII? Korea, Gulf I, Vietnam or the Revolutionary war?

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Let me get this straight: Because we're spending 100 billion dollars a year on a war, the whole country is going to collapse and our children will be defending their cardboard box homes from Pirannah men?  
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2006, 08:44:37 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on September 29, 2006, 08:29:25 PM

With around 200 million taxpayers, it's not enough to get worked up about. $10 a week.  Tongue

But for that $10/week, 9 people could give enough money to Kobra to allow him to play ParaWorld legally over his LAN with his kids.  THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!  IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2006, 08:49:09 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 29, 2006, 08:35:10 PM

Quote from: Doopri on September 29, 2006, 07:39:09 PM

maybe you like kobra, maybe you dont.  maybe you like president bush, maybe you dont.  but come on wheres the outrage? this is our money!  or i guess more accurately our childrens and grandchildrens money - theyre the ones who will have to deal with outrageous interest rate jumps or a vastly depreciated currency (at best).  if i went into your house and stole your lousy 600 tv youd be furious - i guess this goes to show you if youre going to do something, do it on a scale so large its numbing to even comprehend

Are we still paying for WWII? Korea, Gulf I, Vietnam or the Revolutionary war?

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Let me get this straight: Because we're spending 100 billion dollars a year on a war, the whole country is going to collapse and our children will be defending their cardboard box homes from Pirannah men?   

That's about it.  eek

Kobra's head would have exploded during Nam when the fed's were spending somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-25% of the GDP (I've read that, but can't find a cite right now with my weak google skills) on the war instead of the 4% (if my math's correct  icon_lol) we're spending now on defense.

What worries me the most is the projected growth of non-discretionary spending: Social Security, Medicare/Medicade and the prescription drug plan. Right now service on the debt is about what it was, as a percentage of the budget, in the 60's.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2006, 09:07:57 PM »

Sure I would, an illegitamate war is an illegitamate war, regardless.  We shouldn't even be in Iraq to begin with, which adds insult to injury, and the lies that led us there by a lying administration.

We got duped, now we pay big, and the cowboys belt buckles are too big to admit its a fuckup and end it.
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2006, 09:15:50 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 29, 2006, 08:35:10 PM

Are we still paying for WWII? Korea, Gulf I, Vietnam or the Revolutionary war?
Yes, actually.
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2006, 09:25:37 PM »

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Sure I would, an illegitamate war is an illegitamate war, regardless. 

What pray tell, is a legitimate war?
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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2006, 09:32:51 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 09:07:57 PM

Sure I would, an illegitamate war is an illegitamate war, regardless.  We shouldn't even be in Iraq to begin with, which adds insult to injury, and the lies that led us there by a lying administration.

We got duped, now we pay big, and the cowboys belt buckles are too big to admit its a fuckup and end it.
Certainly those Vietnamese are better off being virtual slaves of a Communist regime than they otherwise would have been had we had the political will to win the war. (and don't forget those evil corporations paying them 10 cents a day so the shareholders of Nike can get rich(er)!)

Look, Kobra, I'm no big fan of the President's decision to take Hussein out, but I do understand his reasoning. Muslims have a chance to show that they can pull themselves out of the 7th century and become members of modern society. I doubt they can do it, but if they can it might well have been worth the terrible cost (fuck the money) so many have paid.
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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2006, 09:34:49 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 29, 2006, 09:15:50 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 29, 2006, 08:35:10 PM

Are we still paying for WWII? Korea, Gulf I, Vietnam or the Revolutionary war?
Yes, actually.

Or if you prefer, in lost man-years of economic productivity:
Number of Americans killed:
WWI: 116,516
WWII: 405,399
Korea: 54,246
Vietnam: 58,226

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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2006, 09:37:31 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 09:07:57 PM

Sure I would, an illegitamate war is an illegitamate war, regardless.  We shouldn't even be in Iraq to begin with, which adds insult to injury, and the lies that led us there by a lying administration.

We got duped, now we pay big, and the cowboys belt buckles are too big to admit its a fuckup and end it.

I agree. Bush, with his arrogant little smirk, has screwed us for years to come. We're set up for hundreds if not thousands of more deaths over in Iraq, and ALSO, here in our own country, because of this mess. We didn't go there to fight terrorists, hell, all we have done is create tens of thousands more of them by our actions. Bah, I can't even stand looking at him anymore and the blood of our soldiers is on his hands. He owes the families of every soldier that has died in Iraq a personal apology, for sending them to fight a bullshit war, with no plan, no REAL cause to fight for, and no exit strategy. Shameful.
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« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2006, 09:44:47 PM »

Quote from: jblank on September 29, 2006, 09:37:31 PM

Bah, I can't even stand looking at him anymore

I want vomit everytime I look at that bastard. I regard him no better than the piles of dog shit in my neighbors back yard. Thus.. 2 more years of this shit.   crybaby What would you pay to get into a ring with Bush at one of those UFC matches so I could legally pound the living hell out of him and fix that smirk once and for all??  A lot I bet.  nod
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« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2006, 10:18:42 PM »

So is this thread about spending money on the Iraq war or just another Bush bashing?  How can someone even have a sane argument with you Kobra when you want to take him into a boxing ring??

This reminds me of why I stopped responding to the trollish political posts...
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So is this thread about spending money on the Iraq war or just another Bush bashing?  How can someone even have a sane argument with you Kobra when you want to take him into a boxing ring??

This reminds me of why I stopped responding to the trollish political posts...

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« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2006, 11:00:54 PM »

I just like to look at the Freedom Clock.
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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2006, 11:16:07 PM »

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Yes, we're wasting too much money in Iraq, but it's foolish (and socialist) to run around saying the money would be better spent on entitlement programs.

OH MY GOD IT'S SOCIALISM FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S GOOD AND RIGHT IN THIS WORLD WE CAN'T CONSIDER GIVING HEALTH CARE TO PEOPLE IT'D BE THE END OF CAPITALISM!!!1!

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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2006, 11:16:59 PM »

these are the costs of the wars you mentioned, in billions, adjusted to 1990 dollars:

World War II (1941-1945)                 2,091.3  
Korea (1950-1953)                           263.9    
Vietnam (1964-1972)                        346.7    
Gulf War (1990-1991)                         61.1    

using core CPI, heres what this war has cost in billions, 1990 dollars:  300
(and the gulf war, the us barely paid for because other nations reimbursed us almost the full amount) - so this war is already going to be much more costly than the other wars you mentioned, and the spending will have a higher impact on the economy
we checked some of the effects of overspending of world war 2 because FDR used price controls.  and right around the time the bonds were coming up for payment, it became pretty damn obvious to nixon that we simply couldnt sustain the gold standard and our currencys value - he had the nerve to actually float our currency and again enact price controls - in 15 to 20 odd years time we are going to have some interesting problems because ours possibly wont be the preeminent currency

and i dont know why in the world you think vietnam ever cost anywhere near 25% of gdp, thats just flat out wrong.
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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2006, 11:17:43 PM »

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on September 29, 2006, 09:32:51 PM

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 09:07:57 PM

Sure I would, an illegitamate war is an illegitamate war, regardless.  We shouldn't even be in Iraq to begin with, which adds insult to injury, and the lies that led us there by a lying administration.

We got duped, now we pay big, and the cowboys belt buckles are too big to admit its a fuckup and end it.
Certainly those Vietnamese are better off being virtual slaves of a Communist regime than they otherwise would have been had we had the political will to win the war. (and don't forget those evil corporations paying them 10 cents a day so the shareholders of Nike can get rich(er)!)

Look, Kobra, I'm no big fan of the President's decision to take Hussein out, but I do understand his reasoning. Muslims have a chance to show that they can pull themselves out of the 7th century and become members of modern society. I doubt they can do it, but if they can it might well have been worth the terrible cost (fuck the money) so many have paid.
That's pretty fucked up. Sounds a lot like Trent Lott. (Ezra found that link, not me.)
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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2006, 11:42:00 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 29, 2006, 09:44:47 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 29, 2006, 09:37:31 PM

Bah, I can't even stand looking at him anymore

I want vomit everytime I look at that bastard. I regard him no better than the piles of dog shit in my neighbors back yard. Thus.. 2 more years of this shit.   crybaby What would you pay to get into a ring with Bush at one of those UFC matches so I could legally pound the living hell out of him and fix that smirk once and for all??  A lot I bet.  nod

As bush is considered the fittest president in decades, he'd probably knock your out of shape butt inside of two rounds.
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