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« on: February 11, 2016, 12:30:17 AM »

This is going into final closed beta 2/26 and releasing March 3rd:

https://www.blackdesertonline.com/news/view/49

Some crazy game footage in the first minute here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO1I8lamRbQ

Looks great visually, I have no idea about the gameplay but I'm pre-ordered in now so I'll be trying it come release.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 03:21:48 AM »

Interested to hear your take.  What I've seen looks awfully pretty, but I still don't have any idea how the game actually plays.   Will be looking for some feedback before jumping in, as I'm not terribly keen on throwing away $$ again on an MMO so soon (cough...Blade & Soul...cough)
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2016, 11:59:00 PM »

the grindiest of the grindy I've seen in a long time.  I was deciding between this and BnS awhile back and after doing the research I just couldn't handle the level of grind in this one.

If you didn't like the twitch (or 'fun' in my mind slywink ) of Blade and Soul you probably won't like the combat in BDO either.  Both are quite fighter gamey in combat.  It's what makes me like them but doesn't seem to be what makes a game click for you
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2016, 02:26:30 AM »

Thanks Hark.  I'll definitely keep an eye on reviews and such before jumping in.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2016, 10:30:29 PM »

Decided to forgo the 7-day trial Kato sent me and just jump right in yesterday.  Yeah...that was a bad idea.  I should have listened to Hark.  smile

I'm not sure a game could make a worse first impression than this one. The UI is awful and completely unintuitive, half the quest descriptions are in broken Engrish that leave me wondering what the hell I'm supposed to do, the music is annoying, the voice work is terrible, it doesn't look that great outside of the detailed character models, there's very little explanation of combat, and even basic functionality goes completely unexplained.  Some examples, off the top of my head:

-  I try to sell what I assume is vendor trash to a vendor, and get a message stating "You could make more selling this on the marketplace".  Great...now where's the marketplace?  No idea, no indication, nothing in game that gives any guideance.
-  An NPC gives me two quests that require energy (the game's currency for doing quests, actions, etc.) to accept.  It was "Kill X Imps" and "Kill X Other Mob".  I accept thee...and there's nothing in my quest log.  No map markers (like there's been for every other quest so far).  Nothing that gives any indication that I took the quests, other than the fact my energy is now halved.  I'm not even 100% what it is I'm supposed to kill, and have no idea where to look.  
-  I get a quest telling me to "activate X nodes".  No explanation what a node is, how to find one, or how to activate it.  I find a node marker on the main map and go there.  It tells me I must "link to the previous node to access this one".  What previous node?  How do I link it?
-  There's some sort of conversation mini-game where you drag portraits from other NPC's onto a map and (I assume) it unlocks additional conversation options for the currently engaged NPC.  There is literally no explanation about this.  None.  So far, I've tried dragging multiple portraits and nothing happens.  Hell if I know what I'm supposed to do.

Honestly, I haven't played a game this ridiculously obtuse and unintuitive in a long time.  The only saving grace is that the combat (what little I can piece together) does seem rather fun.  It reminds me a lot of FF XIV when it was first released.   You can tell there's probably a decent game in there somewhere, but good luck figuring it out.  I'm spending more time googling how to do things than I am actually playing, and I certainly don't have the patience for that bullshittery.

Add in a bunch of technical issues like keyboard commands randomly unmapping, the game completely hard locking my system, and massive pop-in, and I'm about ready to just chalk this up to an entirely wasted $50.  Oh well...
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 12:43:58 AM »

Honestly I haven't spent much time with it so I just ignored all the things that Gratch mentioned above lol, which I pretty much ran into as well.  Just sticking with the absolute basics (quests and killing crap), I thought the game was decent.  As mentioned the combat is pretty fun and addictive in its own way.  As far as the atmosphere, to me it feels more like a living world rather than a patched together set of quests that you move from one to another, which is good and bad.  It feels like there is a lot of freedom to kind of find your own way and play how you want to, and that can be a good thing for some and a bad thing for others. 

Also, it did take me a while to get the UI in a way I liked, and that made a difference for me.  There's plenty of customization you can do, and it might help to turn some things on (or off). 

Still not a game I'd necessarily recommend at this point. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2016, 11:16:42 PM »

Reading some reviews today, and everyone but me seems to love (or at least like) BDO.   icon_confused

I may give it another look and try to have a bit more patience with learning its systems before writing it off entirely.  Buffing my patience level... 
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2016, 08:45:57 PM »

What server did you guys end up on?
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2016, 01:47:22 AM »

I'm on Uno, but have set it aside for now.  It's one that I think I'll eventually come back to at some point, but I just can't handle the level of frustration right now.

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2016, 05:31:20 PM »

So I picked it up.  I figured it'd push my new rig to the edge....well, I didn't know it'd also confuse the hell out of me. 

I've been playing MMOs for a long time.  I hit level 9 in BDO and I still have no idea what's going on.  I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing, or why I'm even doing it.   saywhat   Lost in translation, much?
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2016, 08:40:08 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on March 26, 2016, 05:31:20 PM

So I picked it up.  I figured it'd push my new rig to the edge....well, I didn't know it'd also confuse the hell out of me. 

I've been playing MMOs for a long time.  I hit level 9 in BDO and I still have no idea what's going on.  I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing, or why I'm even doing it.   saywhat   Lost in translation, much?

Glad to see I'm not the only one who's entirely baffled by this game.  I really want to like it, but it's so damn confusing.
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2016, 08:58:39 PM »

Turns out a group of my IRL friends all got hooked on Black Desert recently, so I joined up with them over the weekend.  Make it up to level 11, but am still really struggling to figure things out...even when I have a built in support team.  smile

 I was complaining last night that I couldn't find any quests, and one of my friends mentioned that he had done about 50 quests just in the first area.  Turns out, the only way to unlock additional quests is by using the Amity system...which the game doesn't even bother to give a cursory explanation for.  You see, each NPC you meet has Amity towards you, meaning how much they like you.  In order to unlock additional quests, buffs, or items available to purchase from them, you have to complete a dialog mini-game in order to increase how much they like you.  It's a bafflingly complex system involving conversation points, interest levels, knowledge levels, favor levels, etc.  Here's a walkthrough, and this is the "simplified" version.  And before you can even get to the point of accessing this mini-game, you have to gain knowledge about other areas or NPC's that this particular NPC might have interest in.  

It's astounding to me that this system that is absolutely integral to how you progress in the game is a) so insanely complex and b) doesn't event get the slightest explanation anywhere in the game.  The only way I found any info at all was in a sub-sub-sub-menu in the "Help" section, and by googling it.

Interestingly, a few things finally clicked into place yesterday and I had a bit of fun.  I'm interested enough to keep bashing my head against it's obtuseness, which is about the highest praise I can give it at this point.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2016, 03:59:26 PM »

Anyone have a guest pass?  I'd love to try this, especially with the comments in this thread, before buying.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2016, 02:24:46 AM »

Quote from: ericb on April 02, 2016, 03:59:26 PM

Anyone have a guest pass?  I'd love to try this, especially with the comments in this thread, before buying.

I've got one, will send you a PM shortly.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2016, 01:40:26 AM »

Thank you.  I'm liking it much more than I thought I would.  My initial impression is Vanguard, Guild Wars 2 and Tera had an awesome but difficult baby.  It's like they added everything including the kitchen sink, made it work but then hid it behind the most obtuse systems possible.  After about a day I'm starting to absorb some of the new systems but I really need a lot more research before I really figure out what's really going on.  AFK fishing right now smile

EDIT: Well, I liked the game enough to buy it after playing a few days.  I'm starting to absorb some of the systems so they almost make sense.  

I don't think I've ever played a game though where the company seems so completely out of touch with the NA market though.  From one of the most expensive (NA) cash shops ever ($30 per costume per character, character bound and not account bound), lack of marketing, a UI that seems ok but hides every option behind another option that's sometimes behind another option, to an awesome character design system that then locks characters to specific genders and classes to a total lack of another customer service it's a miracle this is as popular as it is.  It's a Korean version of the original Blizzard developers...it's "our" game and regardless of the decade of proof of how to do it better and make it more popular/profitable we are going to do it "our" way so FU.  It's too bad because it's a truly good game underneath it all and it will never be more than a pretty niche here in NA.

Second EDIT: Well, there's no timeframe but it looks like BDO is going to add some kind of item trading, adding some kind of costumes and some pets in-game (no cash shop) and reducing the RNG of dyes.  Maybe, just maybe they will make enough changes to make a difference before it becomes a niche game.  I installed Tera and Archeage again and honestly it beats both of them without a problem...going to give Blade and Soul another try next while continuing to explore BDO.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2016, 01:08:17 AM »

Well, this thread dried up quick.  Anyway, still playing and honestly I think I like it more as I keep playing.  It was good when I started and now it's very good.  The only sad thing is this one is the first WoW contender I've played in a long time...but it will never succeed due to the cash shop.  Too many quality of life parts missing to "encourage" you to use the cash shop.  You don't realize how much you miss inventory/bank space and auto loot until it's locked behind a pay wall.  Otherwise though I'm finding it to be a realistic and complex series of MMO systems that mostly work.  I became much happier when I started treating it as a diablo type combat MMO (I mean come on...you're going to be killing tens of thousands of mobs in this game using action based combat).

To anyone still interested they added 2 new classes in today's patch and the new limited event started today.  Collect 12 of the seals (1 per day per login) and you can get a free pet and some upgrade stones.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2016, 03:42:47 PM »

Quote from: ericb on April 21, 2016, 01:08:17 AM

Well, this thread dried up quick.  Anyway, still playing and honestly I think I like it more as I keep playing.  It was good when I started and now it's very good.  The only sad thing is this one is the first WoW contender I've played in a long time...but it will never succeed due to the cash shop.  Too many quality of life parts missing to "encourage" you to use the cash shop.  You don't realize how much you miss inventory/bank space and auto loot until it's locked behind a pay wall.  Otherwise though I'm finding it to be a realistic and complex series of MMO systems that mostly work.  I became much happier when I started treating it as a diablo type combat MMO (I mean come on...you're going to be killing tens of thousands of mobs in this game using action based combat).

To anyone still interested they added 2 new classes in today's patch and the new limited event started today.  Collect 12 of the seals (1 per day per login) and you can get a free pet and some upgrade stones.

Glad to hear you're enjoying it.  I gave up on it...got tired of bashing my head against it's layers of complexity and went back to something I could actually make sense of.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2016, 12:42:59 AM »

It is complex...on top of that I would say it's complex for no reason besides being complex.  I think a lot of it is because it's a Asian MMO.  They pay for most of their MMO time by the minute/hour so anything that slows down the game.  In the end it's good enough that I'm overlooking the problems it does have.  It also helps that I'm starting to understand the systems as they interconnect and also learning how to make money.  For example I've spent the last week and a half afk fishing making around 30k-40k a time.  Today I'm bringing in over 500k just from this afternoon.  I've also started upgrading my armor which means my witch can actually survive some hits when I screw up and I really, really like the witch over most of the other classes I've tried.  I'm also branching out into horses, farming, built my first boat and hit level 30.
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