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« on: September 18, 2006, 09:41:56 PM »

My current system is an Athlon 64 (939 PIN) FX-53 with ASUS A8V mobo (AGP only), twin 74 GB Raptor 10k drives in RAID 0, 2 GB RAM, and BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC. I've been out of the loop for the past few years about the latest hardware and was wondering if there is a relatively cheap upgrade I can do to get significantly better performance in the latest games? It's not that my system is slow, it's just that I can't turn all the option on high at 1600x1200 resolution like I use to (Company of Heroes, for example).
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2006, 09:47:49 PM »

You can upgrade the processor to whatever the fastest 939 chip is and you could gain up to maybe 20+ FPS (http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=484&model2=464&chart=165).  Not sure what your board will support, but those procs are quite cheap right now due to the price slash AMD did.  As far as video cards go, if you have PCI-E, you could certainly ugprade to a 7900 GT and see a gain.  I doubt your board supports SLI, so that's probably the best you can do on that end for now.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2006, 01:57:59 AM »

Quote from: ioticus on September 18, 2006, 09:41:56 PM

My current system is an Athlon 64 (939 PIN) FX-53 with ASUS A8V mobo (AGP only), twin 74 GB Raptor 10k drives in RAID 0, 2 GB RAM, and BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC. I've been out of the loop for the past few years about the latest hardware and was wondering if there is a relatively cheap upgrade I can do to get significantly better performance in the latest games? It's not that my system is slow, it's just that I can't turn all the option on high at 1600x1200 resolution like I use to (Company of Heroes, for example).

7800GS-OC AGP is an option, they are cheap, I picked up 2 off Ebay for $200 each for my sons machines (and sold their other cards for close to $180 each!), it was a pretty noticeable jump from their 6800GS-OC and 6800Ultras.. Figure in most games, a solid 12-25 range jump in FPS and considering you could fetch close to $200 for your Ultra, thats nearly a free upgrade. My sons can both run Company of Heroes maxed at our native 1280x1024 with solid FPS.



Processor wise, you aren't going to see a big jump unless you go way up the line to something like an X2 4000+ or whatever. If your board can take one, that might be your next move, much of the newer stuff seems more CPU dependant (COH for example).  That should get you another 18-24 months of gaming love with solid FPS.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 03:26:40 AM »

Thanks for the advice.  Kobra, I think you were lucky to get the 7800 GSs for $200, because even on eBay they are going for $300 and over right now.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 04:35:07 AM »

Quote from: ioticus on September 20, 2006, 03:26:40 AM

Thanks for the advice.  Kobra, I think you were lucky to get the 7800 GSs for $200, because even on eBay they are going for $300 and over right now.

A new one on Newegg can be had for around $270.

Or you can order a recertified eVGA one for $205.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 05:08:05 AM »

Quote from: ioticus on September 20, 2006, 03:26:40 AM

Thanks for the advice.  Kobra, I think you were lucky to get the 7800 GSs for $200, because even on eBay they are going for $300 and over right now.

Newegg for $239  (BFG no less)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143046

Otherwise, you can be patient and play the long drawn out bidding game on Ebay. I got lucky and found a guy that for some ungodly reason, had 40 to sell on Ebay, I made a cash offer for 2 of them and he took it.  This is the guy I purchased mine from, perhaps he can offer some type of deal to you as well. (both of mine arrived sealed, brand new, perfect - within 3 days!)

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZrainbowarior
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 05:38:49 AM »

How about this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051

With this mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131530

for about $335.  I should be able to sell the 6800 Ultra to bring the net cost under $300.  Would that be worth it with my FX-53?  Or is my processor too slow for that combo?
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 07:16:04 AM »

Your FX-53 is suited just fine to that hardware.

*edit*

Oh, and on the GS cards, I was suggesting the 7900GS, not the 7800.

It's irrelevant though, because the Radeon card you picked out is, I'm pretty sure, better than both.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 01:15:55 PM »

Quote from: Thin_J on September 20, 2006, 07:16:04 AM

Your FX-53 is suited just fine to that hardware.

*edit*

Oh, and on the GS cards, I was suggesting the 7900GS, not the 7800.

It's irrelevant though, because the Radeon card you picked out is, I'm pretty sure, better than both.

Are there any possible pitfalls with doing that?  Would I be able to keep my old power supply, RAM, and Raptors?
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 04:25:18 PM »

Quote from: ioticus on September 20, 2006, 05:38:49 AM

How about this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051

With this mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131530

for about $335.  I should be able to sell the 6800 Ultra to bring the net cost under $300.  Would that be worth it with my FX-53?  Or is my processor too slow for that combo?

Now you are talking big money, I didn't think you were interested in replacing the motherboard?  If you are, that changes ALL of the dynamics of it, because you can pick up a 7900GT - which is better than that ATI - for about the same price.  Logically, that would be better, but a much more expensive move, so the choice really is - do you want to squeeze another year or two out of your current rig?  Then the 7800GS-OC AGP will do that for almost no cash outlay on your part.  Otherwise, drop in a new motherboard, and roll in a 7900GT and play that route.  The dynamics of it changed from a cheap and good $30-50 upgrade netting you another 20FPS, to a $500 overhaul of your machine.  If money isn't an issue for you, go the second route, but the conditions of your first post were "was wondering if there is a relatively cheap upgrade I can do to get significantly better performance in the latest games". 

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 04:43:41 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 20, 2006, 04:25:18 PM

Quote from: ioticus on September 20, 2006, 05:38:49 AM

How about this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051

With this mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131530

for about $335.  I should be able to sell the 6800 Ultra to bring the net cost under $300.  Would that be worth it with my FX-53?  Or is my processor too slow for that combo?

Now you are talking big money, I didn't think you were interested in replacing the motherboard?  If you are, that changes ALL of the dynamics of it, because you can pick up a 7900GT - which is better than that ATI - for about the same price.  Logically, that would be better, but a much more expensive move, so the choice really is - do you want to squeeze another year or two out of your current rig?  Then the 7800GS-OC AGP will do that for almost no cash outlay on your part.  Otherwise, drop in a new motherboard, and roll in a 7900GT and play that route.  The dynamics of it changed from a cheap and good $30-50 upgrade netting you another 20FPS, to a $500 overhaul of your machine.  If money isn't an issue for you, go the second route, but the conditions of your first post were "was wondering if there is a relatively cheap upgrade I can do to get significantly better performance in the latest games". 



I was prepared to spend no more than about $300 (that is "cheap" for me).  Are you sure the 7900GT is faster than the X1900 XT?  I thought the X1900 XT was almost as fast as the 7900GTX.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 06:18:19 PM »

Could be, to be honest, I don't follow ATI products these days and when I say "Better" I mean that I feel the BFG Nvidia products are much better than the ATI stuff in terms of quality.  I did hear the 7900GS-OC is a really hot card for low price though, and seems to be performing about as well as the 7900GT.  I guess the definition of "Cheap" varies greatly, for me, cheap is under $100.  Hehe
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2006, 07:31:34 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 20, 2006, 06:18:19 PM

Could be, to be honest, I don't follow ATI products these days and when I say "Better" I mean that I feel the BFG Nvidia products are much better than the ATI stuff in terms of quality.  I did hear the 7900GS-OC is a really hot card for low price though, and seems to be performing about as well as the 7900GT.  I guess the definition of "Cheap" varies greatly, for me, cheap is under $100.  Hehe

Be careful with the BFG products.   There are known incompatabilities between some cards and the NForce 4 chipset.  I unfortunately learned this first hand with a 7800.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2006, 10:08:34 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 22, 2006, 07:31:34 PM

Quote from: Kobra on September 20, 2006, 06:18:19 PM

Could be, to be honest, I don't follow ATI products these days and when I say "Better" I mean that I feel the BFG Nvidia products are much better than the ATI stuff in terms of quality.  I did hear the 7900GS-OC is a really hot card for low price though, and seems to be performing about as well as the 7900GT.  I guess the definition of "Cheap" varies greatly, for me, cheap is under $100.  Hehe

Be careful with the BFG products.   There are known incompatabilities between some cards and the NForce 4 chipset.  I unfortunately learned this first hand with a 7800.

I heard that, but I thought BFG had a firmware upgrade to fix that specific issue?  I don't use NForce chipsets myself so I really don't know, but thats just what I heard.   The only cards I buy these days are BFG, fantastic service and warranty.  They actually Fed-Ex overnighted a replacement card for me while I sent back the other one.  Funny part was, the one they shipped was sealed and brand new, and when they got the other one they emailed me and said "Just keep the new one".
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2006, 03:16:31 AM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 22, 2006, 10:08:34 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 22, 2006, 07:31:34 PM

Quote from: Kobra on September 20, 2006, 06:18:19 PM

Could be, to be honest, I don't follow ATI products these days and when I say "Better" I mean that I feel the BFG Nvidia products are much better than the ATI stuff in terms of quality.  I did hear the 7900GS-OC is a really hot card for low price though, and seems to be performing about as well as the 7900GT.  I guess the definition of "Cheap" varies greatly, for me, cheap is under $100.  Hehe

Be careful with the BFG products.   There are known incompatabilities between some cards and the NForce 4 chipset.  I unfortunately learned this first hand with a 7800.

I heard that, but I thought BFG had a firmware upgrade to fix that specific issue?  I don't use NForce chipsets myself so I really don't know, but thats just what I heard.   The only cards I buy these days are BFG, fantastic service and warranty.  They actually Fed-Ex overnighted a replacement card for me while I sent back the other one.  Funny part was, the one they shipped was sealed and brand new, and when they got the other one they emailed me and said "Just keep the new one".
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They may well have, but it wasn't in the timeframe that I waited.  I was stuck with a card that wouldn't work for about a week.  As far as your experience with the warranty, eVGA does the same thing.  I'd have to say that my experience with both was outstanding.  Can't say that very often about most companies.
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