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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2012, 12:17:47 AM »

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for what it's worth I've been running the i5 2500K without OC and haven't found a need to do so yet.

That's awesome. I tend to keep my machines for a long time, so it is nice to know the option is there.

Quote from: Arkon on February 07, 2012, 11:46:37 PM

I have never done any overclocking int he past, but they have made it so easy that I just can't pass it up.  Going to OC the CPU for sure, and from the feedback I got on tomshardware, the video card I picked up over-clocks very well so I may test the waters on that.  I can't wait to get started, haven't built a PC in ages.

I hope you'll make a full report on how it goes. Don't forget to take pictures!

I've never done this before, I've always chickened out and bought prebuilt.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2012, 12:48:48 AM »

So all of my parts arrived, and I started the process.

I first assembled the components outside of the case, and verified that the system posted.  I then installed everything into the case, Windows 7 installed just fine, but now I am running into an issue.  While I am getting a video output from the GPU, Windows sees it as a standard VGA adapter, and the nVidia drivers refuse to install because it can not find a valid card.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2012, 12:55:29 AM »

Quote from: Arkon on February 09, 2012, 12:48:48 AM

So all of my parts arrived, and I started the process.

I first assembled the components outside of the case, and verified that the system posted.  I then installed everything into the case, Windows 7 installed just fine, but now I am running into an issue.  While I am getting a video output from the GPU, Windows sees it as a standard VGA adapter, and the nVidia drivers refuse to install because it can not find a valid card.

Are you getting the 295.51 drivers off nvidia's website? Or are you trying to install the 285.58 WHQL drivers? You really don't want the 285.58 drivers, they're really REALLY old (Oct 2011). Or are you trying to install the (probably even) older drivers off the disk?
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2012, 01:06:24 AM »

I have tried the drivers on the disk as well as the 285.58 drivers.  The first step after specifying where to unpack the files is that the installer attempts to detect your hardware.  According to Windows/My system, I do not have an nVidia card, I only have a standard VGA adapter.  If I go into device manager to try and detect new hardware, it finds nothing.  If I uninstall the standard VGA adapter, Windows just reinstalls it.
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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2012, 02:23:07 AM »

Never mind, I can't read. You are getting a signal from the card...
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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2012, 02:24:03 AM »

maybe the motherboard has integrated graphics?  I'd check in the BIOS to see if there was something listed, sometimes those will override the video card even though you get video through it.

[edit]  it may actually be the integrated graphics from the i5 cpu, which should also be in the BIOS.
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2012, 12:52:57 PM »

I believe I have disabled the onboard graphics...it is not 100% clear how to do this in the BIOS.  No change.  I removed the card and am running on the integrated graphics now.  Going to try powering down, and installing the card again.  MSI has suggested I RMA the card.

Edit to add:  So removing and reinstalling the card did nothing.  I still get output from it, but Windows does not see it.  Interestingly, the system takes 10 seconds longer to post when the video card is installed.
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2012, 02:32:40 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on February 09, 2012, 12:52:57 PM

I believe I have disabled the onboard graphics...it is not 100% clear how to do this in the BIOS.  No change.  I removed the card and am running on the integrated graphics now.  Going to try powering down, and installing the card again.  MSI has suggested I RMA the card.

Edit to add:  So removing and reinstalling the card did nothing.  I still get output from it, but Windows does not see it.  Interestingly, the system takes 10 seconds longer to post when the video card is installed.

You probably don't need to RMA the card, it seems you're not the only one having problems installing drivers (Google "560ti can't install drivers" and you'll get quite a few results). Most recent (last 2-3 years) MB will automatically disable the onboard video if a PCIe video card is installed. If you're plugged into the 560Ti and getting output, onboard is disabled.


First, try running Windows Update and make sure your system is completely up to date. Microsoft will deliver the WHQL drivers for your card via this. If you're already up to date...

You can try these steps:

1. Uninstall everything NVIDIA from the Programs and Features control panel.
2. Reboot
3. Try to install from the disc that came with the card (This is probably going to fail)
4. Reboot
5. Install the latest 295.51 drivers
6. Reboot

I really suggest you try the 295.51 drivers if you haven't already.
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2012, 02:49:42 PM »

Again, perhaps I didn't word this correctly.  There is nothing nVidia installed, no drivers, not in the Programs and Features etc...the card does not show up in the device manager at all.  Nothing from nVidia will install because it does not detect an nVidia card as being installed/present in the system.  Removing the card, and then replacing it into the MB, Windows never sees the hardware being added it would seem.

Windows Update shows 0 updates left to install.
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2012, 02:50:27 PM »

Amazon is stating it will take 1-4 weeks to replace the card...grr...I guess I am going to get a refund instead and get a different card.

Edit: Amazon is providing free overnight shipping to get a different video card.  Unfortunately it had to be one that was in stock at amazon.  I was going to go with the EVGA GTX 560 ti that was recommended earlier, but it is not in stock at amazon, so I bit the bullet and instead went with a highly reviewed EVGA GTX 570.
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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2012, 04:09:23 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on February 09, 2012, 02:50:27 PM

Amazon is stating it will take 1-4 weeks to replace the card...grr...I guess I am going to get a refund instead and get a different card.

Edit: Amazon is providing free overnight shipping to get a different video card.  Unfortunately it had to be one that was in stock at amazon.  I was going to go with the EVGA GTX 560 ti that was recommended earlier, but it is not in stock at amazon, so I bit the bullet and instead went with a highly reviewed EVGA GTX 570.

Glad to hear Amazon is taking care of you. smile EVGA is a better brand, in my opinion. Just don't forget to register the card to bump out the warranty.
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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2012, 04:18:07 PM »

Went with the following card:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004O6MOC8
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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2012, 04:46:30 PM »

Card was definitively bad.  I put my old GTX 280 (which may or may not be dying) into the system and Windows immediately recognized it and installed drivers.
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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2012, 06:12:36 PM »

Yeah, good to know they are taking care of it for you. I just ordered three components from them this morning (all on sale, woot)! Scratch that, you said Amazon...I ordered from NewEgg this morning. I have already ordered one part from Amazon and will probably get my case from there (tax is nasty, but better than NewEgg's shipping).
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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2012, 06:41:04 PM »

The fact that I am a Prime member, getting free shipping ended up being a big factor in going through Amazon.  In addition every part I ordered, save 1, was cheaper on Amazon.  Thankfully once I was able to talk to someone about the RMA, they took care of me.  Now comes the daunting task of reinstalling everything all my apps and games, and mapping out how to best use my SSD.
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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2012, 12:30:20 AM »

Well, everything is officially up and running.  I haven't overclocked anything yet, as I am ashamed to say I am a bit afraid of pulling the trigger on it.  Played Kingdoms of Amalur for about 2 hours...didn't seem to tax the system at all.  Checked CPU temps after playing and was running at a cool 25 degrees Celsius.
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« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2012, 02:40:27 AM »

Awesome news, Arkon!

I have 5 components left to buy. I may pull the trigger on the rest of them tomorrow. I think I'm going to take pictures of everything and make a new thread for what I have dubbed my QBD build (quiet but deadly).
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« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2012, 04:49:47 PM »

Quote from: Purge on January 25, 2012, 01:25:42 PM

Yes, but my case was half the price, with the same features you mentioned. The plastic clips (look at the pics) are simple to replace with screws, should you want to. I still use the clips as they work - they just aren`t hardy enough to be practical in system with constantly changing parts.Tongue For 200 bux you can find a better case, methinks. slywink

Since I just had to pull my HDD out, I was reminded that the clips are used to hold the device in place so you can screw it in on both sides. Tongue
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« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2012, 03:04:42 PM »

So, I have had my new machine up and running for a few weeks now, and everything is going smoothly.  In retrospect not sure yet if I would have changed anything.  The HAF X is a behemoth of a case, but it gave me ample room to place all of my components.  The air flow is great, and to be honest it is very quiet compared to my old machine.  One concern I have is that from reading, it would seem one concern with SSDs is power outages.  The power grid where I live is not very reliable, and as such I have started my search for a UPS. 

I am looking for recommendations on sizing/brand etc as I have never used a UPS before.
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« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2012, 04:35:32 PM »

Glad to hear the build has been a success. APC, Tripp Lite, and Cyber Power are probably the most common. You don't need to go out and find the largest capacity one there is if all you need is a few minutes to finish what you are doing and shut it down. In my experience, these have to be replaced every few years because the batteries go bad. Tried buying a third party replacement battery once and it did not go well, so I won't do that again.
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« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2012, 07:03:19 PM »

I'm a big fan of CyberPower. I've got this one myself. It's powering 2 servers (a dual Xeon and an Atom) plus the associated network gear (Cisco Catalyst 2651XM, Catalyst 2950-12 and a PIX 515e), never had a problem with it.
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« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2012, 04:50:39 PM »

So my PC has been up and running without issues for many months now...until last night.  I got home from work and the screen showed a Windows loading screen from Windows Vista (I am running Windows 7, however m 3rd hard drive is the drive from my old PC that has a vista install), but it was hung, so I powered off and back on, and the system proceeded to boot into Vista.  When I went into the BIOS my SSD drive was not showing in the boot order, but I was able to override the boot order and boot to the SSD.  Things seemed ok, so I rebooted and fiddled with the BIOS and was able to get the SSD back as the primary boot device.  I then ran chkdisk, and it found no errors.  Figured it was just a freak occurrence, and I walked away.  About 3 hours later I went to use the PC, and it was the same deal, it was stuck booting in to Vista...at which point it was late and I just shut it off in disgust.

Now I am concerned that perhaps my Crucial M4 SSD is dying, any suggestions?
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« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2012, 08:25:20 PM »

This is going to sound like a broken record because I mention it so many times but...

When you assembled the new machine... were the sata cable(s) new? So far from personal experience, and more than once while troubleshooting for others... the cables have been the problem.

If your sata cable is brand new with the machine, and of 'good quality'... (you'll have to be the judge)... then the cable is probably not causing the drive issues.. (it's disappearing from the bios if this is what is happening).

Other possibilities are vagaries with the boot order in your bios settings. I personally set my bios to whichever optical and/or drive I'm interested in seeing the computer from... and I specifically remove/disable all other devices from the list, in order to prevent things from getting confused. Removing the vista drive from the bootable possibilities via the bios, and leaving everything else alone... if it fixes your problem, and nothing else ever occurs, then it was simply a boot order preference issue in the bios. If you do this and one day you come home with a message from your comp saying it couldn't find a bootable drive... now you KNOW the ssd is dropping out from the chain.

Technically it's possible the SSD is dieing. It's not likely however, given that it has been working for months without an issue.

Check the bios.
Check the cables.
Re-check the cables. They're only made for 50 insertions or so, and given human nature, both on the manufacturing and user ends, that number can sometimes go waaaaaay south from 50 before they wear out.

If you want to order new cables, you can get some good ones from Newegg (or elsewhere, of course). OKGear, Nippon Labs, I've personally used both, and are very suitable.

You could also go to a place like http://www.monoprice.com/ for good quality cables.

Just re-read your last post. Seems the ssd was showing in the bios, but had been removed from the boot order for some reason. That, to me, much improves the odds of it being a bios issue and not a hardware issues. It's not set in stone though.

scenario: computer is on, cable wiggles, drive drops from the chain
computer reboots, drive is still not showing, bios removes ssd from listings
computer boots to vista drive because it's still in the chain, achieves partial boot
You come home, find the computer, shout at it, touch it, press buttons, whatever
Cable wiggles again
You reboot computer, SSD now showing in drive listings, but still not set in the boot chain because you haven't manually put it back yet.

I suffered from a version of this (using hard drives) for... a couple months (and that's all I'm admitting to)... before I figured out what was going on :/

Start with the BIOS... it's cheaper and easier. Once you rule that out, suspect your cables. Then, and only then, suspect the SSD.

Trick: Assuming you use a sata optical drive... swap the cable from it, to the ssd. And swap the one on the ssd to the optical. Now watch for a while and see if your optical drive disappears, which WONT crash the computer.

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« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2012, 09:05:47 PM »

The cables were brand new when I built the system. I am traveling for work for the next week so it will be a bit before I can test. I will have to make sure the cables are fastened tightly.
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« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2012, 12:55:59 PM »

Just got back from Vegas, and checked the cables, everything felt good and tight.  I went into the BIOS and made my SSD the only bootable drive other than the DVD, so will see if it happens again , but this getting that it found no bootable media.
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« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2012, 04:40:14 PM »

Well, just got home from running some errands and the system was down with an error that no boot media was found.  I am now trying out swapping the cable between my SSD and primary storage drive, with the way the cables are routed not sure if I can swap with the optical drive.
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