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« on: December 25, 2007, 05:15:30 PM »

I think of buying this system from Cyberpower for $1,999 shipped. Please give me any suggestions for improvements or changes. Thanks!

*BASE_PRICE: [+1289]
CAS: NEW!!! CoolerMaster Cosmos Silent Gaming Tower Case w/ 420 Watts Power Supply [+26] (Original Color)
CASUPGRADE: NONE
CS_FAN: Default case fans
CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit [+86]
CD: COMBO DRIVE (16X DVD-ROM & 52x32x52 CD-RW) [-9] (BLACK COLOR)
CD2: LiteOn LH-20A1H 20X Double Layer DVD+-RW Super Allwrite + Lightscribe Technology [+40] (Black Color)
CABLE: None
FLOPPY: 1.44 MB FLOPPY DRIVE [+10] (BLACK COLOR)
FLASHMEDIA: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer (BLACK COLOR)
FREEBIE_VC2: None
FAN: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooling Fan (Extreme Silent at 20dBA & Overclock Proof) [-32]
HDD: Single Hard Drive (150GB Gaming Western Digital Rapter 10,000RPM SATA150 16MB Cache WD1500ADFD [+105])
HDD2: NONE
IEEE_CARD: NONE
KEYBOARD: NONE [-7]
MOUSE: NONE [-5]
MODEM: NONE
MONITOR: NONE
MONITOR2: NONE
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)4GB (4x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory [+200] (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium (64-bit Edition [+19])
PRINTER: None
PRINTER_CABLE: None
PRO_WIRING: Professional Wiring for All WIRINGs Inside The System Chasis with High Performance Thermal Compound on CPU [+19]
POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts Power Supplies [+70] (NZXT PP-800 800 Watts Power Supply)
RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
SOFT: Microsoft® Works Suite 2006 w/Works8, Word 2002, Encarta, Money, Digital Image, & Streets&Trips [+29]
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS 24/7 LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUND: Creative Labs X-FI XtremeGamer 24-BIT PCI Sound Card [+89]
SPEAKERS: NONE [-72]
TEMP: THERMAL TEMPERATURE LCD DISPLAY WITH 3X FAN CONTROLLER [+12] (WHITE COLOR)
TVRC: None
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
UPS: None
USBHD: NONE
VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB 16X PCI Express [+125] (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA [+5])
VIDEO2: NONE
VIDEO3: NONE
VIDEOCAMERA: NONE
WNC: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card
_PRICE: (+1999)

I already have 2 external drives so I don't really need more storage.

I'm also thinking of getting this LCD monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824112011
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 01:58:07 AM »

Steep price, IMHO, especially since you're only going with a 8800GTS (unless it's the new 'uber' one - not sure which one it is offhand). I'd grab the 8800GT - tons of power in that GPU for the price you'll pay.

No need for a soundcard nowadays. Motherboard sound is plenty powerful for anybody's needs. And yes, I hate Creative, but that's a whole another argument.

Why are you getting a case that has a power supply inside, and then replacing the PS later down the line? 800W is also overkill for a single graphic card. I'm running a 550W Antec PS (and it's nearly 2 years old now) with my Q6600 (OCed to 3GHz) along with an 8800GTX, and I've encountered no problems at all.

Why a floppy drive? Do you seriously even own a single 3.5" disc? If you still use it, then definitely keep it, but otherwise...

I'm a HUGE fan of this case. Not sure if they offer it (and especially at this great price on Newegg for the moment).

Finally...that monitor of yours is more like a TV set. And talk about expensive.

As stands, that's a nice PC that will give you plenty of gaming life. I'd still think about what I said though.
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 06:40:31 AM »

The 512mb GTS is the new one.
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 12:54:46 PM »

I seems expensive especially without a monitor included.

Like Destructor said, no need for a 3.5" drive.  That power supply is overkill even if you plan to use SLI.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2007, 01:38:13 PM »

Too much money.
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2007, 05:07:36 PM »

I just noticed the motherboard and a couple other parts.

That's really overpriced.
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 07:38:36 PM »

These are my comments - keep in mind I'm all about bang for the buck and not overpaying just so I can have the latest and greatest.

Quote from: ioticus on December 25, 2007, 05:15:30 PM

CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit [+86]
A 6750 is significantly cheaper and can be overclocked well above 3Ghz

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CD: COMBO DRIVE (16X DVD-ROM & 52x32x52 CD-RW) [-9] (BLACK COLOR)
CD2: LiteOn LH-20A1H 20X Double Layer DVD+-RW Super Allwrite + Lightscribe Technology [+40] (Black Color)
Do you really need two optical drives?

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FLOPPY: 1.44 MB FLOPPY DRIVE [+10] (BLACK COLOR)
It's only $10, but still...

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HDD: Single Hard Drive (150GB Gaming Western Digital Rapter 10,000RPM SATA150 16MB Cache WD1500ADFD [+105])
While I have one of these in my gaming rig, they're now outperformed by the 750GB drives, at a much lower cost per GB.

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MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)4GB (4x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory [+200] (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
Cheaper to install it yourself. You can get 4GB of OCZ RAM for $80 after rebate.

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POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts Power Supplies [+70] (NZXT PP-800 800 Watts Power Supply)
Hello, overkill! 

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VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB 16X PCI Express [+125] (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA [+5])
an 8800GT would give you 90% of the performance at a much lower cost. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 05:24:36 PM »

I've decided to change my build to 8800 GT in SLI with the 780i motherboard. I plan to game at 1920x1200 and am hoping it will last 2 years before I buy another system. Any last comments before I pull the trigger? Final cost is $2196 shipped.

# *BASE_PRICE: [+1659]
# CAS: NEW!!! CoolerMaster Cosmos Silent Gaming Tower Case w/ 420 Watts Power Supply [+66] (Original Color)
# CASUPGRADE: NONE
# CS_FAN: Extra Case Cooling Fan [+3] (1 x Fan)
# CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit
# CD: COMBO DRIVE (16X DVD-ROM & 52x32x52 CD-RW) [-9] (BLACK COLOR)
# CD2: LiteOn LH-20A1H 20X Double Layer DVD+-RW Super Allwrite + Lightscribe Technology [+40] (Black Color)
# CABLE: None
# FLASHMEDIA: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer [+10] (BLACK COLOR)
# FREEBIE_CU1: FREE Game! Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
# FREEBIE_CU2: FREE! CyberPower Multi-Purpose Carrying Briefcase ($19.99 Value)
# FREEBIE_CU3: FREE! Cyberpower Unleash The Power T-Shirt ($19 Value)
# FAN: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooling Fan (Extreme Silent at 20dBA & Overclock Proof) [-32]
# FREEBIE_VC2: None
# FLOPPY: 1.44 MB FLOPPY DRIVE (BLACK COLOR)
# HDD: Single Hard Drive (150GB Gaming Western Digital Rapter 10,000RPM SATA150 16MB Cache WD1500ADFD [+105])
# HDD2: NONE
# IEEE_CARD: NONE
# KEYBOARD: NONE [-7]
# MOUSE: NONE [-5]
# MODEM: NONE [-7]
# MONITOR: NONE
# MONITOR2: NONE
# MOTHERBOARD: (3-Way SLI & Q9650 Supported) EVGA nForce 780i SLI Mainboard FSB1333 DDR2 3 x PCIe x16 SATA RAID w/ USB2.0,IEEE1394,&7.1Audio [+132]
# MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)4GB (4x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
# NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
# OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
# PRO_WIRING: Professional Wiring for All WIRINGs Inside The System Chasis with High Performance Thermal Compound on CPU [+19]
# PRINTER: None
# PRINTER_CABLE: None
# POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts Power Supplies [+70] (NZXT PP-800 800 Watts Power Supply)
# RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
# SOFT: Microsoft® Works Suite 2006 w/Works8, Word 2002, Encarta, Money, Digital Image, & Streets&Trips [+29]
# SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS 24/7 LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
# SOUND: Creative Labs X-FI XtremeGamer 24-BIT PCI Sound Card [+89]
# SPEAKERS: NONE [-72]
# TEMP: THERMAL TEMPERATURE LCD DISPLAY WITH 3X FAN CONTROLLER [+12] (WHITE COLOR)
# TVRC: None
# USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
# UPS: None
# USBHD: NONE
# VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA [+5])
# VIDEO2: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA [+5])
# VIDEO3: NONE
# VIDEOCAMERA: NONE
# WNC: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card [+19]
# _PRICE: (+2131)
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 09:39:43 PM »

brutal sticker shock.
Is there any way to deduct the existing power supply from the cost of the case?
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 09:58:03 PM »

Quote from: dmd on December 29, 2007, 09:39:43 PM

brutal sticker shock.
Is there any way to deduct the existing power supply from the cost of the case?

No.  But for all of you saying it is overpriced, can you really build one yourself for much less?
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2007, 12:19:26 AM »

I added these to an existing case, hard drive and optical drive a couple of weeks ago:

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
SAPPHIRE 100215L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 Conroe 2.33GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E6550 - Retail
Rosewill RX750-D-B ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91 750W Power Supply
A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1A16K

Cost was 687.00 plus shipping from newegg.
I don't think it'd be unreasonable to get a all-new rig for ~850, excluding software.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 06:36:00 AM »

Quote from: ioticus on December 29, 2007, 09:58:03 PM

Quote from: dmd on December 29, 2007, 09:39:43 PM

brutal sticker shock.
Is there any way to deduct the existing power supply from the cost of the case?
No.  But for all of you saying it is overpriced, can you really build one yourself for much less?

Yes. Grabbed via Newegg from when I ordered on 10/29:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail $279.99
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $94.99
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with 12X DVD-RAM write and LightScribe Technology Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model LH-20A1H-185 - OEM $32.99
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme $64.99
Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan - Retail $24.99
2x Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AA804 - Retail $179.98

That comes to $678. Just add in the case, HD, video card, and power supply. The Antec 900 I love is $80 after rebate, the 8800GT is ~$250, and HD about $100 or depending on the size you want. PS...I'd have to look, but it's not that much for the 550W I still have in mine.

So for $1200 or so I have a complete system. Just wire it up and it's good to go. Yeah, it doesn't have an OS, but the 'system builder' for Vista one that Newegg advertises isn't too much more.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 04:01:45 PM »

You need to price put the exact same parts or your comparison is meaningless.  For example, I used 4 GB RAM, you used 2 GB, I used the more expensive 780i motherboard, the more expensive case, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2007, 05:31:32 PM »

Quote from: ioticus on December 30, 2007, 04:01:45 PM

You need to price put the exact same parts or your comparison is meaningless.  For example, I used 4 GB RAM, you used 2 GB, I used the more expensive 780i motherboard, the more expensive case, etc.

If you are going to ask for advice about components and price, getting defensive about the responses is probably not the most helpful route to take.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2007, 08:18:20 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on December 30, 2007, 05:31:32 PM

Quote from: ioticus on December 30, 2007, 04:01:45 PM

You need to price put the exact same parts or your comparison is meaningless.  For example, I used 4 GB RAM, you used 2 GB, I used the more expensive 780i motherboard, the more expensive case, etc.

If you are going to ask for advice about components and price, getting defensive about the responses is probably not the most helpful route to take.

I'm not getting defensive, just stating a fact.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2007, 09:41:43 PM »

Quote from: ioticus on December 30, 2007, 08:18:20 PM

I'm not getting defensive, just stating a fact.

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2 quantity of 2GB ram = 4GB.. It is 4 x 1GB sticks total.  smile

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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2008, 04:00:42 PM »

Instead of asking for recommendations and then blasting them just go buy your PC and spend more than you ought to.
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2008, 08:46:17 PM »

Do you know the 780i is just same old same old with some new processor support and a lame feature or two shoehorned in to the existing 680i design?

It's really a stroke of pure laziness from nvidia.

Just putting it out there.

And yes, that's overpriced, but perhaps not by as much as people are making it seem. You could probably only save a little by going to other sites or picking alternate parts. If that's what you want, go for it. Just be aware that you could probably save as much as $500 going the self built route.
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