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« on: April 16, 2010, 09:37:49 PM »

Any advice?

I'm bored already with LOTRO so don't care about it. Probably will research Wine and start Eve Online again for some limited play.

Most everything I do is in Google, so docs and stuff aren't an issue. I think my biggest worry is getting my bookmarks, but I think Linux Chrome might sync them up for me.
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 11:54:25 PM »

What do you use your PC for?  Aside from games, you'll find that Ubuntu can do everything you're used to doing, and in many cases better.  No advice from me, unless your PC is low-spec, in which case I'd advise installing Abiword and Gnumeric to replace Openoffice.org.  Whatever browser you use, there's sure to be an easy way to backup your bookmarks and transfer them to your Ubuntu install.  How are you planning to do your install?  I highly recommend making at least two partitions - one for root, one for home.  You'll thank me one day. slywink

Oh, also, you might want to wait a couple of weeks because a major update to Ubuntu - 10.04 - is about to be released at the end of the month.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 02:32:24 AM »

I use it mostly for just, well, not much of anything beyond the web, to be honest.

PC is not top of the line, but it's fine.

I'm the only one who uses the PC so I'm OK with the single root install. I'll put Avast or something on it.

Yeah, I saw that about the new release. But I'm bored and feel like seeing what this Linux stuff is all about.  icon_lol I can always put W7 back on it easy enough.

Thanks for the reply.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 02:44:37 AM »

Advice?  Head to the Ubuntu forums and setup an ID.  They are a great group of people and you will have questions from time to time so you may as well get used to them. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 02:45:41 AM »

Take this madness to R&P!! 


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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2010, 02:47:09 AM »

Quote from: farley2k on April 17, 2010, 02:44:37 AM

Advice?  Head to the Ubuntu forums and setup an ID.  They are a great group of people and you will have questions from time to time so you may as well get used to them. 

It's not like typical Linux forums where they answer your question by reading the man page?
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2010, 03:26:21 AM »

Well, that was pretty painless. Chrome bookmark sync doesn't seem to work.

Ain't as pretty as Windows 7, but it's pretty damned fast so far.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2010, 03:27:48 AM »

Quote from: The Grue on April 17, 2010, 02:47:09 AM

Quote from: farley2k on April 17, 2010, 02:44:37 AM

Advice?  Head to the Ubuntu forums and setup an ID.  They are a great group of people and you will have questions from time to time so you may as well get used to them. 

It's not like typical Linux forums where they answer your question by reading the man page?


Not really, Ubuntu is supposed to be for the "common" person. I use it everyday at work and for the most part that is true. From time to time you are going to have to dive into the world of command line if you want to do something specific but really Ubuntu has come a long way.

It's nice being able to update things and not have everything explode.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2010, 04:02:14 AM »

Quote from: The Grue on April 17, 2010, 02:47:09 AM

Quote from: farley2k on April 17, 2010, 02:44:37 AM

Advice?  Head to the Ubuntu forums and setup an ID.  They are a great group of people and you will have questions from time to time so you may as well get used to them. 

It's not like typical Linux forums where they answer your question by reading the man page?

real men don't use Linux  icon_wink
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2010, 07:38:59 AM »

Quote from: farley2k on April 17, 2010, 02:44:37 AM

Advice?  Head to the Ubuntu forums and setup an ID.  They are a great group of people and you will have questions from time to time so you may as well get used to them. 

Ah yes, good point.  The Ubuntu forum is a fantastic source of information.  I very rarely post there because 99% of the time my question has already been answered and a quick search will get me what I need.  It is a nice community as well, especially for Linux, because let's face it, most Linux communities are a bunch of elitist wankers.

You should have Ubuntu One installed by default; it's a Dropbox-like app that comes with 2GB of free storage (more if you pay) and can synchronise notes and contacts as well as files.  You can also share files that you designate with other users.

Above all, have fun!  Exploring a new OS is always good fun.  I'm quite jealous of you really; I started using Linux years ago when a lot of hardware wasn't supported and the desktops looked like arse.  These days, Ubuntu "just works" on the vast majority of computers.

Oh, and man pages are almost useless for the average user; they were written by programmers for programmers.  If anyone tells you to just read the man page, they're being an arse.  Find the info you need elsewhere.  You might also want to find your local Linux User Group (LUG).  And ignore CeeKay, obviously. smile
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 01:24:49 PM »

Well, I've spent some time with it now and I'm not really quite sure what to think about it.

It's damned fast, that's for sure. The install was pretty painless and even with 200 megs of updates it didn't take too long.

No Netflix streaming.  crybaby

Chrome works great.

I think I'll get another drive for my PC and dual-boot.

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2010, 05:09:24 PM »

Doesn't netflix streaming just require flash?
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2010, 05:20:19 PM »

Quote from: SkyLander on April 17, 2010, 05:09:24 PM

Doesn't netflix streaming just require flash?

I thought it was Silverlight.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2010, 05:32:22 PM »

Quote from: The Grue on April 17, 2010, 05:20:19 PM

Quote from: SkyLander on April 17, 2010, 05:09:24 PM

Doesn't netflix streaming just require flash?

I thought it was Silverlight.

That could be a good reason then.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2010, 05:35:46 PM »

No, if that were the case Moonlight would cover it.  Apparently it's more of a DRM issue, and something Netflix could fix if it wanted to.  Unfortunately it doesn't seem to want to.
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2010, 06:19:05 PM »

This may be something that everybody needs to do soon, if the Mafia (er, MPAA/RIAA) have their way:

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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2010, 07:06:42 PM »

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I'll put Avast or something on it.

No need.  You don't get viruses on Linux.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2010, 08:33:49 PM »

That was a pretty cool little experiment. Gonna get a 2nd HD for home and work PCs so I can dual boot and play around with it some more.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2010, 09:22:01 PM »

Cool, glad you're enjoying it.  What made you suddenly decide to try Linux anyway?  Just curiosity?
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2010, 10:36:33 PM »

Quote from: Huw the Poo on April 18, 2010, 09:22:01 PM

Cool, glad you're enjoying it.  What made you suddenly decide to try Linux anyway?  Just curiosity?

I read somewhere about booting to Linux on a usb thumb drive to do virus repair on a Windows machine. I support, but don't have complete control over (long assed story), a ton of PCs (along with about a billion other things) and that sounded like something that might save my 2 person department a ton of time.

Booted it up here at work and was pretty impressed. I actually think it might be usable at work if I can get a couple programs working on it.

I'm pretty sure it's going to end up being my main OS at home and I'll probably just boot into Windows for whatever gaming I want to do. I will investigate Wine, though.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2010, 01:45:35 AM »

Quote from: Huw the Poo on April 17, 2010, 07:06:42 PM

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on April 17, 2010, 02:32:24 AM

I'll put Avast or something on it.

No need.  You don't get viruses on Linux.

because it's not vulnerable or no one has bothered to write one?
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2010, 06:33:16 AM »

Both, really.  Linux's security model is very strong - obviously it isn't impenetrable but why put in the effort when the installed Windows base presents such a huge target?  There are other factors too; historically Linux users have been more tech-savvy and thus less likely to "acquire" viruses for example, although that is changing these days with the OS becoming more popular on the desktop.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2010, 01:46:28 PM »

I'd say because nobody has bothered to write one. When 98% of the PCs out there are running some version of Windows (with 1% being Mac OS, and 1% being Linux), why write for anything else?

That said, from what I know, you basically have to give a TON of permission to a virus (along with saying yes to a whole bunch of 'are you absolutely sure, dumbass?' questions) in order to infect either Macs or Linux. Windows...just sorts happens, especially since a lot of people turn off the annoying questions that Vista/W7 constantly pop up.
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2010, 01:20:14 AM »

I was thinking about picking up a Lenovo Ideapad and putting a flavor of linux on it...would the ion-based netbooks work?  Just curious smile
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2010, 06:47:22 AM »

Yeah, probably.  Ubuntu definitely works on Ion.  One of the great things about Linux is you can try it for free; just put Ubuntu on a USB stick, plug it in, and boot from it.  If it works and you like it, you can just run the built-in installer.
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2010, 05:38:19 PM »

Well, this has been an interesting experience (I won't detail my lack of understanding of the Ubuntu install process, but it was pretty hilarious).

The really big issue for me right now is getting dual-monitoring working in 'extend' mode. I had it working once, but when I re-booted from (left the PC in Windows overnight so I could use logmein if I needed to) it no worky again.

I set both monitors to "TwinView" (with the right/secondary monitor set to 'right' and the main to absolute).

When trying to "Save to X Configuration File" I get the following error:

Unable to remove old X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup

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sudo nvidia-settings used that to run the nvidia settings...seemed to work. Will re-boot later and see if the changes stick.
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2010, 06:13:12 PM »

Yeah, I was about to suggest that.  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup is owned by root, so you needed to run the command with root privileges which is what preceding it with 'sudo' does.
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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2010, 06:24:46 PM »

Quote from: Huw the Poo on April 21, 2010, 06:13:12 PM

Yeah, I was about to suggest that.  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup is owned by root, so you needed to run the command with root privileges which is what preceding it with 'sudo' does.

I'm learning slowly, but surely.

Got my Dell color laser printer working (which kind of amazed me, to be honest). Evolution hooked into my Exchange server without too many problems. RDPed into a couple of PCs. Need to find an alternative to logmein and UltraVNC. Need to find a PDF printer, figure out the networking stuff, desktop shortcuts, Visio replacement....hmm...quite a bit of stuff to do before I can get rid of W7 at work.  icon_lol

Hope to get some time this weekend to dual-boot at home and work with Wine some.
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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2010, 06:30:51 PM »

If you use Wine at all, make use of this database.  Just search for the app you want to run and you will see test results on various builds of Linux along with notes and suggestions.  It's a fantastic resource.

Yeah, printing has come a long way on Linux in a relatively short space of time.  Someone, somewhere is doing very good work!  The last printer I bought was very new to the market and it worked almost painlessly (I had to do a tiny bit of manual fiddling).  PDF printing is built-in to Gnome by the way, you should see it in the options when you try to print something.  I think it's called 'print to file' then you get a choice between PDF and some other format.
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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2010, 06:52:35 PM »

Thanks for the Wine tip! I will be sure to check that out.

UltraVNC thingy built in. Sweet.

I am running out of excuses to stay with W7. LOL
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« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2010, 07:02:32 PM »

Heh, yeah, I only have Windows installed to play games.  Everything else gets done in linux. smile
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« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2010, 07:42:01 PM »

If I can't figure out why Ubuntu won't keep my dual-monitor set up after a re-boot...
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« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2010, 08:51:34 PM »

Hmmm.  Can't help you I'm afraid, I've never used such a setup.  This is where I would be searching the Ubuntu forum - loads and loads of threads on it there, or you could start your own if nobody has the same problem you're having.
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« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2010, 08:53:24 PM »

Quote from: Huw the Poo on April 21, 2010, 08:51:34 PM

Hmmm.  Can't help you I'm afraid, I've never used such a setup.  This is where I would be searching the Ubuntu forum - loads and loads of threads on it there, or you could start your own if nobody has the same problem you're having.

Yeah, I've been looking around...I figure something out eventually. Not the end of the world.
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« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2010, 11:54:32 AM »

Well, I'm a Linux user at home now...and loving it.

If I can get our ERP system working in Wine at work and can get some networking issues ironed out I might just go full time Linux there too.

This all started with trying to get a USB thumb drive working for virus repair...and I still haven't figured that out.  icon_lol And now I'm full-on Linux. Not bad for a 55 year old, I guess.

I wonder if my PC will explode when I log into my Technet account with Ubuntu and Chrome?  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2010, 12:13:37 PM »

That's good to hear mate!  With regard to virus repair from a thumb drive, you can probably use Linux for that too, even on Windows systems.  Check out System Rescue CD or Recovery Is Possible, for example.  I've never done it myself but I bet there's a way.

Actually, any Linux distro that can be installed to a thumb drive would probably work if a virus scanner is installed on it too.  I imagine it'd be as simple as booting the PC from the thumb drive and running the virus scanner from within Linux on the filesystems in question.
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« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2010, 01:18:59 PM »

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on April 21, 2010, 07:42:01 PM

If I can't figure out why Ubuntu won't keep my dual-monitor set up after a re-boot...

If you figure it out, please post here.  I have an issue with my XBMC Live installation where it won't keep the wake on USB setting between reboots and I haven't been able to figure out why.  Whatever works for you may help me. 
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« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2010, 03:32:32 PM »

Kevin, I ended up having to run the Nividia control panel from a terminal with the 'sudo' thingy.

Huw, I got Ubuntu to boot off the thumb drive and got the AV installed, but when I reboot off the thumb drive no AV there. I know I'm doing something wrong, but haven't quite figured out what yet.

Got my PC onto my AD domain this morning. ERP software installed fine using Wine, but won't run. Will investigate further when I have some time.

Still working on accessing network shares. Trying to get IBM's Linux client access stuff installed, but it's a 'rpm' package and Ubutu is not liking it...telling me something about using "Alien" to install it. Will investigate some more.

Thanks for the help, Huw. Much appreciated.
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« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2010, 03:38:28 PM »

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on April 22, 2010, 03:32:32 PM

Kevin, I ended up having to run the Nividia control panel from a terminal with the 'sudo' thingy.


Yeah, I've used the terminal to make the changes to the necessary config file and it works until I reboot when the file seems to get recreated from scratch.  Hopefully that doesn't happen to you. 
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« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2010, 03:45:56 PM »

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on April 21, 2010, 06:24:46 PM

Visio replacement....

try dia: http://live.gnome.org/Dia (there's a Windows version as well)

probably not all the functionality you need, but it is free

as for dual monitor with extended desktop, i had issues with that on my ATi Radeon X1600 until Jaunty came out, then it suddenly worked quite well. in Karmic, i didn't have to use xorg.conf at all (and it worked even better). the open source Radeon drivers have made tremendous progress since this time last year; i wouldn't be surprised if they surpass nVidia's *official* drivers in the next two years or so.
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