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« on: May 31, 2008, 10:53:24 PM »

Ok no, nobody has one because they don't come out until Tuesday.  But taken together with the Asus EeePC 900 and HP Mini Note, it looks like this one is going to be the king of ultra portable (cheap) computers.

It comes with Windows XP (or Linux), 1 gig of RAM and an 80GB HD.  Apparently it runs quite speedily and the keyboard is much better than the 900's.  It also has bluetooth which the 900 lacks.  ANd the best thing is that you can overclock your Wind if you want to by up to 20% just by hitting the F10 button!!

Here are a couple of previews of it.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/mini-review-msi-wind-nb

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49297128,00.htm
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 06:41:51 AM »

Quote from: Canuck on May 31, 2008, 10:53:24 PM

ANd the best thing is that you can overclock your Wind if you want to by up to 20% just by hitting the F10 button!!
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 11:42:27 AM »

Yeah, I saw the specs on the Wind and was pretty impressed with it.

However, I just picked up the Eee 900 a few weeks back, and as thus have no interest in getting the Wind. And short of the small keyboard on the 900 (which you can get over with time), I really have no complaints. It's one heck of an ultraportable.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 01:49:15 PM »

Give us a review!  Have you put any games on it at all?  Whatever UPC I pick up when I go home in July, I'll make sure to post a small review of it on here.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2008, 07:56:34 PM »

Laptop Mag's main site has a very enthusiastic review of it:
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/msi-wind.aspx
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In order to achieve their diminutive size, weight, and price, most mini-notebooks come with compromises: the screen or keyboard is too small, the processor is too slow, or the battery life is too short. That’s why the MSI Wind NB is breath of fresh air.

This 2.6-pound system boasts a relatively large 10-inch screen and a full-size keyboard and Intel’s zippy new 1.6-GHz Atom processor (overclockable with a touch of a button). Plus, the MSI Wind NB lasts more than 5 hours on a charge. At $499, no other mini-notebook offers more for your money.

If there were a Survivor: The Mini-Notebook series, and each of the ultra–low-cost notebooks were incrementally eliminated, the MSI Wind NB would be the one left standing. Unlike its competitors, the Wind NB offers the complete package, including an adult-size keyboard, a larger 10-inch screen, and a very capable Atom processor. This system’s solid performance, stellar 5-plus hours of battery life, and $499 price make it the best all-around mini-notebook to date
All this indicates you'll never find one the rest of this year.  disgust icon_razz

It comes with Windows XP standard, but you can save $100 by opting for a $399 SUSE Linux version that they plan to offer. They seem to indicate that if you upgrade the built in 1GB RAM (expandable to 2GB), it voids the Wind's warranty.

Most important to me (I'm a reporter with fairly large hands) is the *just-barely-shy-of-full size keyboard* icon_biggrin The price is notable as a lot of the competitors squeezing into the Eee PC-ish market are inflating into larger notebook price range ($600, $700), muddying the waters.

Still, I'd like to see how the similar Eee PC 1000 stacks up. The category gets more interesting everyday, but everything I've seen to this point has serious drawbacks that keep me on the fence.

So, are we going to push Ron to add a "Anybody got..." section?  icon_wink
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2008, 09:48:27 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on June 06, 2008, 07:56:34 PM

Most important to me (I'm a reporter with fairly large hands) is the *just-barely-shy-of-full size keyboard* icon_biggrin The price is notable as a lot of the competitors squeezing into the Eee PC-ish market are inflating into larger notebook price range ($600, $700), muddying the waters.

Keep that keyboard statement in mind - once you hit the 10' screen size range, you'll pretty much always see that. It's when you go below that when you start to have 'problems'.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2008, 11:21:54 PM »

I actually want the Linux version (cause my main laptop already has Windows-this would just be something to  play around on) but I would be making too many sacrifices-the XP version has and extra 512 MB of RAM, bluetooth and double the size of battery and possibly more inputs (i can't remember).  I hope that this puppy won't be as rare as you are suggesting cause I'm only going to be back in Canada for one month (July 20th-Aug 21st) and I want to get something!
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2008, 02:13:05 AM »

The Wind actually has its own fan blog/wiki (think it's by a UK fella).

http://msiwind.net/

Check keyword review for, you guessed it, reviews (not much, yet):
http://msiwind.net/category/review/

You might find the Laptop Review, earlier impressions video, of interest too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKExXy4EJYU
She has an Eee PC handy for comparisons. Thank God there's a Pepto Bismol Pink version available...

The others that popped up on YouTube included:

German fan site hands on, heavy breathing  icon_lol video: (this gives you a good look at the bottom of it, fwiw):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoRIHjZaGZc

Italian impressions view of a black MSI Wind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFZE76nL5cM&feature=related

And, well, you can find the rest so I'll stop. Just found the above ones kinda neat.  icon_smile

The weirdo, single "teeter totter" touchpad button seems the lone consistent complaint.

Oh, and Amazon has pages for the various color versions. You can tap a button to sign up to be notified when they have it available.

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Laptop-Intel-Processor-Drive/dp/B001AS1VOA/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1212805660&sr=8-13
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2008, 05:46:11 PM »

If yer Wind-Obsessed, Laptopmag also has basically a whole section on it including comparisons (including the keyboard, and boot-up speed), sidebars and "how tos" (so far, how to replace the hard drive; and how to upgrade the RAM).

http://www.laptopmag.com/l/wind.aspx
The touch typing test (two people typed 74 and 80 wpm and raved about the Wind's keyboard, preferring it over the HP Mini Note's ballyhooed keyboard):
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Both Key Crusher and The ESC Artist found the keyboard to be even friendlier than the Mini-Note. They appreciated that the keys were not as slick and that the keyboard didn’t sit at an odd angle like it does on the Mini-Note.

According to Key Crusher, “The keyboard on the Wind felt a lot more like a full-size keyboard, so that made typing a lot easier than it was on other mini-notebooks. Its keys aren’t quite as flat as the Mini-Note’s and there were no keys misplaced, so typing on it was actually a breeze.”

This is just another example of how the Wind (and its pun-friendly name) continues to blow away the competition
They were also able to get City of Heroes running acceptably consistently albeit with fancier graphics effects turned down. Fwiw.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 09:45:04 AM »

Good stuff-I will definitely be picking one up when I go home if I can find one.  Looks like installing extra RAM voids the warranty but there's no sticker, so if anything goes wrong, you can just remove the extra ram before you send it in.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2008, 01:06:03 PM »

This May 13 Laptop mag had an interview with an MSI rep, and he mentions that Amazon, Best Buy and Costco [so far, I've only seen an actual "pre-release" listing at Amazon] are among the U.S. retail channels they were in talks with (it's expected to hit U.S. market June, this month):
http://blog.laptopmag.com/msi-wind-revealed-10-inch-mini-notebook-to-hit-us-in-june

At the time, the XP version was expected to run $549, but they planned a $499 "base" XP model (more recent articles suggest the XP model is $499 period, so I'm not quite sure icon_confused). They actually have an 8.9" monitor model but only the 10" will be sold in the U.S.

Colors include black, white, silver, pink and a limited edition baby blue.

Now if only they'd reconsider the "single bar" trackpad mouse button. It's the only consistent complaint I've read in reviews so far.  icon_neutral

Yeah it's a shame about the RAM upgrade voiding warranty. With the Linux version the rep actually highlights the RAM upgradability -- seems bizarre to do that without mentioning the warranty-voiding (perhaps they decided on that recently?)
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You can upgrade the memory in this system; there will be an extra slot.
It's sneaky, but the laptopmag article on upgrading the RAM voiding the warranty (http://blog.laptopmag.com/msi-upgrading-wind-ram-voids-warranty) suggests you can simply remove the extra RAM stick if you need to send the unit in for warranty servicing.  icon_twisted It's apparently easy to upgrade the hard drive as well (same situation with the warranty though).

Oh, I *finally* heard from the IRS to expect my economic stimulus check perhaps at the end of this week. $600! Just about right for this.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2008, 01:18:31 PM »

Hey I was having some trouble finding the actual product listing at MSI (Micro-Star International, of Taiwan), but finally tracked it down. Has some fairly interesting pictures and info (including downloadable copies of the user's manual):

MSI U100 (official page - don't think they call it "Wind" in the home country)
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1474&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=582

Official MSI-USA Wind pages (listings for both Linux and XP version):
http://www.msimobile.com/nblist.aspx?series=u

Value added photos below.  icon_razz
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2008, 07:02:00 PM »

Hey I found a pre-order listing for this at something called "Hand Built PC's and Parts" in Illinois:

http://hand-built.com/products/msi-wind-micro-notebook
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This is a pre-order. Units are not shipping from MSI until at least June 16th. At this time we cannot guarantee Shipping or Delivery dates. Pre-Order now to reserve yours! Orders will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis. We will make every possible effort to get these in your hands as quickly as possible.

To our knowledge, the Windows XP model ships with a 6-cell battery, and the Linux model ships with a 3-cell battery. If for some reason the models initially shipped are 3-cell Windows XP models, we will ship you the 3-cell model and a 6-cell battery to replace it when those become available, free of charge. In other words, we will “Make It Right”. [this battery mention is interesting - bj]
Their listings seem to suggest you have a better chance of getting one sooner if you say "either white or black is OK, just please, no pink" or "any color at all."  icon_razz And it is $499 for the XP version and $399 for the Linux.

I don't know much about the company so I don't know if I'd be comfortable pre-ordering, but it's just an option for anyone terribly eager.  icon_smile I couldn't find any info at their site about shipping costs.

Hmmm, did a little digging. The company's only been around since 2005. I found an old post by the company prez, and he removed a coupon from his sig (on a 3 year old post that Google keeps digging up) due to insane demand for the MSI Wind.  icon_razz
http://discuss.joyent.com/viewtopic.php?pid=180931

Oh, there's also some warnings by customers at the Amazon listing that it's selling the 3-cell XP version (they're estimating based on the listed weight) at the 6-cell (5.5 hour life) price of $549:
http://www.amazon.com/BEWARE-means-battery-549-RIPOFF/forum/FxQI6U5QD7ZQ87/Tx13LYHBG1IKH7G/1/ref=cm_cd_dp_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=electronics&asin=B001AS6YFQ&store=electronics

Anyway this 3-cell vs. 6-cell battery thing seems like an issue to watch out for if this interests you.

So far I've not seen it at the Best Buy or Costco sites (mentioned in interviews as possible retail channels). PriceGrabber.com doesn't really pull up anything as of yet.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2008, 10:14:31 PM »

Thanks for the research! I hope this $549 rumour doesn't turn out to be true.  One of the big selling points for me is the $399/$499 price point.  I'm in Canada so all of those US outlets won't help me very much smile  I'm not going home until July and August so hopefully the initial demand will have dropped off by then.
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2008, 01:40:45 AM »

I fished around something called UMPC portal, and they had a link for a review by a site called "Fudzilla"  saywhat

MSI Wind notebook starts the storm
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7613&Itemid=40
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Wind PC notebook is as big as a paper planner, fits any, even the smallest of bags, and still packs enough power. It is as good as it gets and we will be surprised if we see anyone making anything much better than this.
This has some useful photos, including of one on an airliner food tray. There's plenty of room for food - or a mouse - next to it.  icon_smile He used the unit to write his article so hey I'm (Mr. reporter person) sold.  icon_cool

This is yet another XP version with the rather short-battery-life 3 cell battery (they keep ballyhooing 5.5 hours life but that's with the 6-cell battery). So there seems to be some valid concerns about whether you're going to get the 3- or 6-cell battery if you order this online -- esp. because they noted a factory incident that might have some ramifications on that.
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Oops...

fwiw, they seemed to actually like the touchpad (it's the main complaint in other reviews), but feel the plastic is an awful fingerprint magnet. The latter's probably common to everything in this category so I guess it doesn't mean much.
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 12:30:07 PM »

Mobile Computing UK had a hands-on back around May 29. This was with the 6-cell battery option, and it indicated this wasn't the version that would go on sale later, at least not in the UK. (meaning the 2.5 hour life 3-cell would) icon_confused

http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/20080529536/hands-on-with-the-msi-wind-ultra-portable.html
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All in all, we were extremely impressed by the MSI Wind and based on the short amount of time we spent with it, we reckon that it’s the first low-cost ultraportable to deliver on all counts – and again, that processor plays a significant part in this.

We’re hoping to see a final production model of the MSI Wind in a week or so, so we’ll run some benchmarks and provide a more detailed write-up then. In the meantime, if you’re eyeing up an Eee PC 900 or HP 2133 Mini-Note, we’d strongly advise you to hold on to you money until the Wind is launched – MSI looks like it have a monster hit on its hands.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 09:05:28 PM »

If you want more pretty pictures, check out PC Perspective's gallery from a Taiwan trade show (MSI is a Taiwan company) called Computex 2008:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=570&type=expert

The first page of the article - http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=570 - has pics of lots of ASUS notebooks/laptops too.

There seems to be a growing consensus - well, just on a handful of impressions/reviews etc. - the black MSI Wind looks better than the white in this particular case (maybe the types of plastics used).

I also saw a brief mention of MSI hoping to ship (depending on how Intel's shortage of the new Atom processor shakes out, perhaps) as many as a half million of these in 2008:
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20080612PD210.html
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 09:19:13 PM »

Finally found another, more recent, review. APCmag is some sort of Australian site I believe.

MSI Wind: much better than the Eee PC
http://apcmag.com/msi_wind.htm
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Our overall opinion of the Wind? It’s good work. Though its physical design may not appeal to everyone, the technology under the skin is as good as it gets at this kind of price point. Intel’s new Atom processor performs its job admirably, there’s plenty of storage, it’s slightly user upgradable and the battery life is excellent.

If you’re in the market for one of the second generation mini notebooks, then consider the Wind, I know for sure a few people around the APC offices have already made up their mind. Now just to choose black, white or pink?
I found it amusing that next to the oft-maligned trackpad "single clicky" button, their other complaint is that the Wind is "pretty ugly."  icon_lol Maybe they could use that in marketing... "The MSI Wind. It's downright ugly. Order yours now!"  saywhat
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2008, 05:00:04 PM »

Occurred to me to just search around YouTube for some MSI Wind videos and video reviews. Here are some either fun or useful, I don't think these are ones we mentioned here before:

The Official MSI Wind TV Commercial (30 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56f1IeDZd_0
Oh boy, now my niece and nephew can go outside and play... with a laptop!  saywhat

Italian video review (3:48)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJMzkJjAqw
If you want to get a really close up view of the innards, and the motherboard, you'll like this one even if you don't have a clue what he's saying.  icon_smile But for the love of God, why is he using a screwdriver as a pointer?  saywhat

Phillipines' (it's in English) video impressions (3:29)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUP31Ub0V_E&feature=related
Although the guy talks about "writing with the Wind," he never actually types anything on it, I'd still like to see someone with normal size hands typing on it.  icon_razz

CNET Taiwan video from a trade show (1:50)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hTRyDavS8A&feature=related
This is the Linux version, with a simplified opening menu (a la the original Eee PCs).

MSI Wind, Eee PC 901, HP-Mini-Note visual comparisons (1:16)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oORdF6uA-uA
From the Computex show in Taiwan, this is a painfully blurry comparison of the three systems. You at least get an idea of the noticeable size differences. It's a red Wind, and right now that's not planned for the U.S. market.

If you got this far then, I have to reward you with...

The MSI Girls *perform* at the Computex Show in Taiwan! (No "Wind" footage though...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D79HuEZ9XSY

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2008, 11:17:48 AM »

Oh for God's sake! They only zoom in right at the and and only for the MSI sign?  That's criminal!!  Anyways I'm sold on an MSI Wind now-Eee PC's and HP Mini Notes are far too stuffy-I haven't seen either of them with dancing girls!
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2008, 06:55:44 PM »

Oh well, Endgadget mentions another delay, at least at MSI's main site, back to June 27:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/16/msi-wind-atom-based-laptops-delayed-again/
The problem, besides the dancing girls distracting all the shipment employees  icon_razz, is that Intel's new Atom processor - which was already in a shortage situation - is going into pretty much all the new mini-notebooks (including Wind, and the Eee PC new models) so it's pretty much a Perfect Storm as far having something everyone wants that's not available yet in nearly enough numbers to meet demand. They might as well all be Wii's for that matter.  disgust

I talked myself out of an iPod Touch over the weekend (read too many mixed reviews on Wi-Fi reliability, and overall reliability), and a Sony Mylo a while back. The gadget freak in me feels old and left out.  crybaby
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2008, 01:09:34 AM »

Bad news -- the problem's actually that big fire at a battery factory (which has made it rare for any early reviewers to get a 6-cell battery Wind). According to some updated news bits, only a 3-cell Linux version will be available in late June, and the Windows XP version (and any 6-cell option) has been shoved back into July:
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9969888-1.html
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Citing battery shortages due to the fire at LG Chem's Ochang plant this past March, MSI says the Linux version of its mininotebook will now ship on June 27. It'll cost $399 and include a 3-cell battery. The Windows version, which was originally slated to ship before the Linux model, won't ship until sometime in July. It will be priced at $479 (down from the previously stated $499) and include a 6-cell battery.
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2008, 10:51:43 AM »

Definitely not good news! As long as I can find one before August 21st when I return to Japan, I'll be happy.
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2008, 03:57:14 AM »

Because we can never read enough crap about the Wind, a site called CrunchGear claims to have confirmed with MSI there'll be a $499.99 XP 6-cell version and a $479 3-cell. The 3-cell is noticeably lighter, so presumably they see sufficient interest in both types to justfy offering both even with such a measly price difference (and you can upgrade to the 6-cell later).

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/06/17/msi-wind-delayed-two-weeks-no-more-big-battery/
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UPDATE: Just got this from MSI’s PR rep. The previously-equipped six-cell version will apparently be available in July for $499.99 – so if you can’t wait, you can pick up a three-cell version on June 27th for $479.99 or get the six-cell version next month.
Apparently they didn't feel like they could wait any longer, and wanted to have some form of XP version out by the end of this month (3-cell).

Actually we lost power at my office for hours yesterday late afternoon/evening, and then my area of our office lost power due to a construction accident nearby this morning. I was going crazy, and in the back of mind, I thought, "If only I had a Wind!"  crybaby Not that I would've been smart enough to bring it in both days.
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2008, 10:09:57 AM »

Wow I would definitely pay $20 for double the energy capacity.
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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2008, 09:23:15 PM »

The 6-cell I believe adds some visual bulk (it sticks out of the back past the hinges a bit), and noticeable weight, so I guess it just depends on how portable one really needs it to be.

I was having lunch outside at a Panera today, and practically every table around me had someone surfing on a laptop (they have truly free Wi-Fi). I made do with my dead-tree newspaper. But someday, I'll be mindlessly surfing just like everyone else, on a Wind. I'm sure I'll do something productive, like posting jabbering like this here. Which I already do too much of at the office.  icon_razz
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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2008, 02:28:09 PM »

A little availability update. Amazon.com is taking orders now, apparently, but lists it as a vague "3-5 weeks  saywhat shipping", and only sells the 3-cell model:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001BIK9H4/ref=nosim/i4ufututechne-20?SubscriptionId=09FVDRT8TEJ64C2A7Y02
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2008, 05:50:03 AM »

Hmm I'm getting worried! I'm coming home in 3 weeks time and I'll be going back to Japan by the end of August! I hope they have their supply problems cleared up by then.
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2008, 01:31:37 PM »

Fan site MSIWind.net forums has an overseas member who received his Wind), with photos even...

Finally : Wind (of my own)
(apparently guy's from Indonesia, so his English can be a bit confusing)
http://forums.msiwind.net/general-discussion/finally-wind-own-t597.html
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It awesome.. if you haven't been try it before, it's light to take along.. well it's 1 Kg.. biggrin well, that the main point isn't, the weight..

Yes, the touchpad is small, so explore the screen will need more repetition that normal touchpad, but you get to used i think.. about temperature, i can't still figure it out, i just trying it for a minute.. Haven't install anything, but there already Adobe reader in my Wind, and it's open fast and also for the booting (like you see in many video smile smile ).. For that minute moment, i reckon the battery life is 47% and with full brightness without any connection on, wind can life up to 1:17, so i think 100% will be around 2.5 then.. And you doesn't get the manual, you just got the quick manual (and in my case it's 9 languge : english, 2 chinese, Japan, Korean, Herbrew :?: *why in asia*, Tien Viet, Thailand, and Indonesia)

For the wobble screen.. Let this be the example : you sit in chair, and put your wind on your thigh, then you shake your feet, it look the screen has it's little movement it's self; i'm not sure if that is a so-called wobbling or not, but hope that shake ur feet story can tell you something or make it by urself.. Still you put it on non-movement object, the screen look very rigid, also if you move the screen by yourself, it like it's very solid built one.. slywink

Other thing, it was IE 6 and WMP 9 that happen in my Wind, so :cry: :cry: *can't speak anymore..* for Desktop Background, MSI just give me 1 kind (i just skimming, so maybe i'm wrong) it the Wind and Dandelion think, and that the only one that 1024 x 600 screen, so you might think to take the pic from "anything goes topic"..

it's just my subjective opinion, the MSI bag look significantly bigger than a glimpse of seeing wind.. But it doesn't take much, it's lovely bag to cover up your wind and got the right load of foam.. and even i got the white wind, it's bag line is black..

Separately they have some impressions from a Chinese member who said he got to try a demo model (they weren't selling yet) in Shanghai:
http://forums.msiwind.net/general-discussion/thoughts-the-wind-t496.html
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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2008, 01:38:25 PM »

Also of note, Advent is apparently releasing an officially licensed "MSI Wind clone," for sale only in the UK (279.99 pounds/about $558 U.S.). It's identical (it seems like a silver finish), and is presumably because the MSI brand isn't much known in that particular market.

Some links:
http://msiwindupdater.blogspot.com/2008/07/advent-wind.html

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/advent-netbook/?int=home-1
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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2008, 02:39:14 PM »

Well it's supposed to be out in a couple of days in Japan (barring delays which have been plentiful).  Blackjack do you know if the Wind comes with an XP cd?  I would assume that the first thing I would do upon getting a computer is reformat it.  Oh wait-it doesn't have a CD drive.  Still I could always hook up a usb cd drive I suppose or perhaps there's someway to turn another computer into a cd drive for your ultraportable.
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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2008, 02:48:33 PM »

Here's a great video showing off some of the gaming capabilities-looks like it can handle itself just fine!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2btzPY7xX-o
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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2008, 06:03:29 PM »

As far as XP on a disc, I'm going to assume no. Unless you buy from a boutique-PC/laptop maker, most companies are lazy about including an OS disc, and nowadays make you do your own system restore discs too.

I think the last time I got a PC that came with an OS disc, was a Micro Center system in about 1998 (450mhz Pentium II), I think that came w/ the initial Windows 98 version.

Anyway, if you wanna know "What's in the box????" (as Brad Pitt says in the movie "Seven"), check out this YouTube video, mentioned at one of the many MSI Wind blogs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6I4ZkwFHA

Just don't ask me why the guy is trying to open the box with an open pair of scissors in his hand. I'm surprised he doesn't self-amputate himself by accident.  saywhat The box has a couple of CDs (DVDs?) but there doesn't appear to be an OS disc.

A UK site called Register reviewed a pre-production model. They claim it was a 6-cell version though the battery life sounds a bit disappointing for a 6-cell model:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/20/review_msi_wind/
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« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2008, 10:01:18 PM »

I saw that-funny lol.  How in the world do people reinstall Windows when they want to format their computer? Are they going to force me to bittorrent a copy and then use my Windows CD key?  Cause I sure ain't going to pay $150 to buy a copy of an OS that I already paid for.
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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2008, 10:35:53 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on July 02, 2008, 10:01:18 PM

I saw that-funny lol.  How in the world do people reinstall Windows when they want to format their computer? Are they going to force me to bittorrent a copy and then use my Windows CD key?  Cause I sure ain't going to pay $150 to buy a copy of an OS that I already paid for.

I know at least on my Asus 900, I have the CD key sitting on the underside of the computer. All I need to do is grab XP somehow and use the key. It'll work just fine.

But reinstall XP on a brand new laptop with XP? I have no idea why people want to do that. That makes no sense.
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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2008, 11:31:37 PM »

Well I don't know about MSI, but computers that you buy from a shop typically come with all sorts of shit pre-installed.  Shit that you'll never use and shit that will actually hinder the performance of your computer.  If any time is a good time to format your computer I say it's when you first buy it-because there's nothing on there that you'll be worried about losing anyways.
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2008, 09:18:06 PM »

I'm assuming the Wind either has a system restore disc, or has put a restore image on a separate partition (which basically is what my HP Elite PC came with). I'd certainly *prefer* at least an OEM OS disc, and I'm not a fan of the "system restore" practices that did away with that. If you buy a high-end gaming PC or laptop, most of them still give you a real OS disc, as well as a system restore disc(s).

You might consider using something like the Decrapifier freeware to "clean" a new laptop or hard drive before resorting to reformatting. Though I certainly had to do that kind of thing with Windows 95 and 98/98SE now and then or else my system became a tub of lard.  icon_razz

The UK Site Mobile Computer just posted a lengthy review:
http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/20080702639/msi-wind-u100.html
It has lots of photos, and some videos showing among other things how the screen holds up in use out in sunlight.

They mention the cooling fan is very quiet though it's constantly running.

Also, they note a battery BIOS bug where... I'll let them explain:
http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/20080702639/msi-wind-u100/page-4.html
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Unfortunately, there's a bug in the BIOS that shipped with the three retail MSI Wind U100's sent to Dennis for review. When the battery is completely drained (as happens in our battery tests), the Wind won't power on when plugged back into the mains until the battery has accrued 15 minutes' or so of charge. Plugging the Wind into the mains with the battery removed doesn't remedy the problem.

Thankfully, MSI has issued an updated BIOS (v1.05, dated 26 June) that fixes this:

Unfortunately, you have to go through a lot of rigamarole, which the article explains, to update the BIOS via a Flash drive since there's no floppy-type drive on the Wind. Gotta hope they're able to get that BIOS update into the U.S. production units before they ship.

I'm sure it's not intimidating to the technically inclined, but someone who got the Wind "because it's cute" might be aghast if they have to Flash-update their BIOS using a USB key drive.  icon_neutral Or they may think it's broken when it fails to turn on after plugging it in when the battery ran out.

They're disappointed with the decision to ship it with the 3-cell (roughly 2.5 hours or less life). I'm assuming the supplier factory fire was bad enough that MSI would rather just make it available as an option for the time being and limit the demand in that way. It's just unfortunate in terms of the timing of the launch, since early previews kept touting the Wind's extra battery life.

Scroll to the bottom of the last page of the review for their video of it booting and entering/exiting hibernation state. It takes maybe 45-50 secs to reach the XP desktop.

In the comments at the end, the reviewer mentions USB cards stick out about 8mm when inserted (in answer to a question).

Also in the comments, someone claims the Advent "Wind clone" actually has "manufactured by MSI" stickers on it. icon_confused
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2008, 09:45:55 PM »

Saw a Philippines discussion thread with some info tidbits: (the forum look might seem familiar  icon_smile)
http://eeeph.com/index.php/topic,498.195.html
There's some concern about hinges being a tad loose, and the screen angle flopping out of position a bit though I can't see that happening much in average use (maybe if you're using it in a car, bus or turbulence-ridden plane).
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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2008, 09:57:48 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on July 03, 2008, 09:18:06 PM


Unfortunately, you have to go through a lot of rigamarole, which the article explains, to update the BIOS via a Flash drive since there's no floppy-type drive on the Wind. Gotta hope they're able to get that BIOS update into the U.S. production units before they ship.

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What's so hard about putting any sort of patch on a flash drive?

Quote from: Blackjack on July 03, 2008, 09:18:06 PM

In the comments at the end, the reviewer mentions USB cards stick out about 8mm when inserted (in answer to a question).


I assume you mean the SD cards?  My USB cards stick out about 2 inches when inserted! smile

What's so hard
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« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2008, 04:32:11 AM »

Check:
http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/20080703649/how-to-flash-your-bios-without-a-floppy-drive.html
to see that upgrading the bios isn't so simple..
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An external USB floppy drive is one option, but surely it’s easier to make a bootable USB flash drive and boot the netbook from that, right? Wrong. While netbooks (and most laptops) can be booted from a USB flash drive, the catch is that you still need a bootable DOS floppy to create one...

Fortunately, there is a craft way around this and after the cut we’ll show you how to create your own bootable USB flash drive for BIOS upgrade purposes without using a floppy drive.
Their directions aren't that hard -- I'm just saying Average Joe/Josephine who bought a Wind because it's cute might not be so clued in on how to do this sort of thing. icon_neutral It'd be smarter to get this sort of thing straightened out before they put it out to market, imho. It's a computer afterall, not an MMORPG.  Roll Eyes icon_razz

A UK site called Geekanoids has impressions/mini-review of the rebadged Advent UK version (apparently just a Wind with the Advent name stuck on it):
http://www.geekanoids.co.uk/2008/07/advent-4211-mini-netbook-msi-wind.html

There's a slideshow at the end with a lot of close-up pics.
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