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« on: May 03, 2007, 05:33:14 PM »

.... And this is why:

"Providing the PAX 2007 keynote address will be writer, actor and geek icon Wil Wheaton. Best known for his role as Wesley Crusher on Star Trek: The Next Generation, Wheaton has gone on to appear in a number of films and become a prolific writer. Wheaton has authored two books, Dancing Barefoot and Just a Geek, maintains a popular blog at www.wilwheaton.net, and is a frequent contributor to a number of game, media and tech Web sites."

Took that from the front page. Wil Wheaton? God I miss E3  tear
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2007, 05:47:42 PM »

PAX seems less about gaming and more about 'cool'.  Pass...
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2007, 06:30:45 PM »

I don't follow PA religiously like some people, so I never understood the attraction of PAX.  I admit, I was scratching my head at the announcement of the keynote speaker being Wil Wheaton.  They should have a section at the speech where everyone wears a button that says, "Throw Westley in the airlock in his underwear."  Besides, is Wil Wheaton known for anything else noteworthy besides being on ST:TNG?
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2007, 06:42:19 PM »

You people are referring to something that ended more than a decade ago. I don't think Wes Crusher was WW's fault; he was playing Gene Roddenberry's wet dream.
If you haven't read WW's stuff, I don't think you can really comment on the validity of him being there. WWdN is pretty damned popular. I've read his blog, and he's actually kind of a normal guy.

Oh, and PAX is not about games, it's about gamers. Card, Dice, video, miniature, etc... It's like saying the Circus is trying to replace the Zoo. Sure, they both have animals.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2007, 07:28:49 PM »

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It's like saying the Circus is trying to replace the Zoo. Sure, they both have animals.
Good analogy.  I'm not interested in the Zoo or the Circuis because of said animals.  I personally think that E3 will be a great place where I can gather information on the upcoming games you guys are interested in, which was kinda the whole point, wasn't it?
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2007, 07:39:20 PM »

Wil Wheaton gets my approval because he's able to laugh at himself and his Star Trek days.

PAX gets my approval because one year the grand prize for their gaming competition was an NES.  With every accessory.  And every single NES game ever released.

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2007, 07:44:27 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on May 03, 2007, 07:39:20 PM

Wil Wheaton gets my approval because he's able to laugh at himself and his Star Trek days.

PAX gets my approval because one year the grand prize for their gaming competition was an NES.  With every accessory.  And every single NES game ever released.



Who has enough lung power to blow on the edge of all of those cartridges?! 
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2007, 07:45:30 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 03, 2007, 07:44:27 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on May 03, 2007, 07:39:20 PM

Wil Wheaton gets my approval because he's able to laugh at himself and his Star Trek days.

PAX gets my approval because one year the grand prize for their gaming competition was an NES.  With every accessory.  And every single NES game ever released.



Who has enough lung power to blow on the edge of all of those cartridges?! 

Just program R.O.B. to do it!
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2007, 12:16:34 AM »

Quote from: Purge on May 03, 2007, 06:42:19 PM

Oh, and PAX is not about games, it's about gamers. Card, Dice, video, miniature, etc... It's like saying the Circus is trying to replace the Zoo. Sure, they both have animals.

True, but a lot of gamers have dubbed it the new E3 (in E3's past form), that's why I cried.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2007, 01:04:03 AM »

Quote from: Ridah on May 04, 2007, 12:16:34 AM

Quote from: Purge on May 03, 2007, 06:42:19 PM

Oh, and PAX is not about games, it's about gamers. Card, Dice, video, miniature, etc... It's like saying the Circus is trying to replace the Zoo. Sure, they both have animals.

True, but a lot of gamers have dubbed it the new E3 (in E3's past form), that's why I cried.

They can have it.  E3 was not about gamers, it was about games. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2007, 08:49:33 AM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 04, 2007, 01:04:03 AM

Quote from: Ridah on May 04, 2007, 12:16:34 AM

Quote from: Purge on May 03, 2007, 06:42:19 PM

Oh, and PAX is not about games, it's about gamers. Card, Dice, video, miniature, etc... It's like saying the Circus is trying to replace the Zoo. Sure, they both have animals.

True, but a lot of gamers have dubbed it the new E3 (in E3's past form), that's why I cried.

They can have it.  E3 was not about gamers, it was about games. 

I thought E3 was about hype and marketing myself.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2007, 12:38:06 PM »

I really really want to go to Pax this year, but it sounds expensive.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2007, 01:30:05 PM »

Quote from: Lee on May 07, 2007, 08:49:33 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 04, 2007, 01:04:03 AM

Quote from: Ridah on May 04, 2007, 12:16:34 AM

Quote from: Purge on May 03, 2007, 06:42:19 PM

Oh, and PAX is not about games, it's about gamers. Card, Dice, video, miniature, etc... It's like saying the Circus is trying to replace the Zoo. Sure, they both have animals.

True, but a lot of gamers have dubbed it the new E3 (in E3's past form), that's why I cried.

They can have it.  E3 was not about gamers, it was about games. 

I thought E3 was about hype and marketing myself.

Right, and swag.  That about covers the bases. smile
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2007, 08:40:05 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 07, 2007, 01:30:05 PM

Quote from: Lee on May 07, 2007, 08:49:33 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 04, 2007, 01:04:03 AM

They can have it.  E3 was not about gamers, it was about games. 
I thought E3 was about hype and marketing myself.
Right, and swag.  That about covers the bases. smile

E3 was about everybody and their mother being allowed into a giant place to sorta 'flood' around and see everything there was about gaming. The problem being that E3 was useless to the true people that should've been there (sites, mags, etc) due to how every Tom, Dick, and Harry website (among other things) could easily get in.

PAX on the other hand is all about the gamers seeing what there is to see, and they make no attempt in hiding it.

It sounds like a fun enough event. One of these years I might have to go pay them a visit.
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2007, 01:07:24 AM »

Not to mention, PAX was never trying to be E3.  It may have been advertised, alluded to, or fan hyped as an E3 replacement, but it always seemed more casual.
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2007, 11:38:30 PM »

E3 was nothing more than a location for giant companies to shovel their crap down consumers throats.  It was all about hype.  Gamers had nothing to do with it, which is why it sucked.  Besides, you didn't get a fair look at games anyway.

PAX is a gamers convention.  It started out more like a giant LAN party that has expanded into other forms of gaming, and is only now starting to attract attention from the corporate bloodsuckers due to it's awesomeness.

Give me PAX any day. 
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2007, 10:10:36 PM »

E3 was a spectacle, it drew attention from people outside of the gaming world and made them all curious about our hobby. I love that the place was packed and loud, it had so much style and the booth designs were spectacular!

I don't disagree that E3 had it's issues, the booths trying to out-volume eachother was a bit intense at times, but that same intensity is what made the three-day ordeal so interesting. I don't understand the complaints from the press (I went as press 2 out of the 5 years), there were private demo and meeting rooms that you could schedule appointments for not to mention media kits, so I never had a problem getting the coverage I needed. The remaining three visits I went  as a GameStop manager, and I always found it effective because I would come back pumped and full of info.

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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2007, 10:17:36 PM »

Quote from: Rowdy on May 14, 2007, 11:38:30 PM

E3 was nothing more than a location for giant companies to shovel their crap down consumers throats.  It was all about hype.  Gamers had nothing to do with it, which is why it sucked.  Besides, you didn't get a fair look at games anyway.

PAX is a gamers convention.  It started out more like a giant LAN party that has expanded into other forms of gaming, and is only now starting to attract attention from the corporate bloodsuckers due to it's awesomeness.

Give me PAX any day. 

The only thing the giant companies were shoveling were their games... And I don't understand what you mean about gamers having nothing to do with it? Have you ever even been to E3?
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2007, 10:44:56 PM »

I was looking into PAX and decided that if I can afford it I'm planning to attend, booked my room but I'll probably just pay the at-the-door fee.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2007, 11:07:52 PM »

So you went from Pax looks like a haven for dorks and nerds to stealth edit to booking a room and going? At least leave the original comment and explain why you were wrong!
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2007, 07:08:44 AM »

Quote from: Calvin on May 17, 2007, 11:07:52 PM

So you went from Pax looks like a haven for dorks and nerds to stealth edit to booking a room and going? At least leave the original comment and explain why you were wrong!

I was surprised at how many actual game kiosks they had, plus I checked out the forum and read some of people's experiences and it began to sound cool... People having hotel parties and shit sounds like fun. Figured I should retract my statement if there's drunken fun going on over there.
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2007, 06:14:11 AM »

I am at PAX this year for the first time and a bit taken aback by some of the comments in this thread.  PAX is not about being cool, far from it.  From my experience, it is about the gamers and the Penny Arcade mentality.  There is something unique about this event and the estimated 40,000 people who have shown up seem to agree.  And this was only on day two.

Before going, I talked my way into doing some coverage for this site.  In doing some of the coverage, , and I should say I am glad I did.  More on this later, but in short, PAX has been a great event.  See my posting in the news for some impressions.
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2007, 11:04:19 PM »

I heard there were booth babes at PAX this year, if that's true then I'll most definately tip my hat to the show and begin attending.
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2007, 12:14:56 AM »

Quote from: Ridah on August 27, 2007, 11:04:19 PM

I heard there were booth babes at PAX this year, if that's true then I'll most definately tip my hat to the show and begin attending.

Leipzig had them.
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2007, 06:43:33 AM »

To me, booth babes are a unnecessary negative at trade shows.  Obviously I like looking attractive women, but they have nothing to do with the products you are there to see.  They surely don't give a shit about the what they are showing/representing and most people are decidedly uncomfortable with their presence anyway.  Leave them out and show me what I'm there for. 
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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2007, 08:03:06 AM »

Disclaimer: I worked staff at PAX, so obviously I'm biased.  That said...

I'll take PAX over E3 thank you very much.  That's because the people who run PAX understand that it's about the player, not about the publisher or the developer.  If game companies want to come show off, that's fine as long as gamers benefit. 

What's the cost to get into E3?  For PAX, it's $30 a day, or alternately $50 for all three days.  They want people to go.  They want people to have fun.  There's an area where people can go and borrow any game for any (recent) console and try it out.  Well not, any game, only the games that are donated for play by the volunteer staff.  That Wii you're trying out?  That belongs to someone.  That copy of Bioshock is someone's personal copy that they bought with their own cash, and they're loaning it out to total strangers. 

So yes, the exhibition hall is over-commercialized, but that's the price of being popular.  However, gamers want that.  Otherwise, they wouldn't go.  People go to E3 because they have to.  People go to PAX because they want to.

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2007, 05:45:24 AM »

I really wish I could have attended a PAX before I left the area. 
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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2007, 06:16:05 AM »

Quote from: SuperHiro on September 01, 2007, 05:45:24 AM

I really wish I could have attended a PAX before I left the area. 

Now that I am nearish I am determined to go next year.
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