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« on: April 25, 2010, 05:39:29 PM »

The kids have expressed interest in trying one of the GW games. I have my doubts about them actually putting all the pieces together and painting them, let alone playing. I thought perhaps something on a smaller scale like Inquisitor/Mordheim might be easier to get started with, but I'm out of my element here. Anybody got suggestions? I'd be happy to go with a totally different system, I'm not tied to GW, though I do have a GW store close by.
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 03:13:29 AM »

How old are the kids? For the most part putting them together isn't bad. It might be good to start with a smaller game... I don't know what they have now, but there used to be things like Necromunda or Bloodbowl where you'd only have a few guys. I know when I played Warhammer Fantasy that I only painted a few of my guys seriously. I was much more into playing battles than painting, although I did do some of that. But it can also get pricy if you play the larger games, so might be best testing their real interest on a smaller one.
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 03:45:16 AM »

yup, that's why I was seeking some advice for another place to start. I'm not real concerned right now about finding lots of other people playing the same thing. In looking online, I did find an FLGS nearby that looks like it might be pretty good (still haven't gotten out to any local stores since we moved, though I have found one place with a good board game selection).
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 01:43:17 PM »

I was thinking that Inquisitor minis were a larger scale but I'm not positive on that point. They may be easier to put together and paint if thats the case.  Have you thought about http://games.rackham-e.com/en/at-43 ? The armies are prepainted which would get them playing faster.  They have some box sets for most of the armies now.  If you look around the internet, you can find some game sites have some heavy discounts on some of the minis. You can pick up the starter set really cheap.   
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 04:39:23 PM »

I hope you don't mind this suggestion, but maybe you would be better off trying Heroscape.  The minis are already painted and don't require any assembly, and the battle system is easy to handle.

Just a thought.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2010, 08:58:50 PM »

Maybe Space Hulk would be fun?  I think it's still possible to find a copy, even though the print run was limited.

I believe a new edition of Warhammer Fantasy is about to hit stores, too.   You might be able to find the current boxed set cheap once the new version arrives.

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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 10:18:32 PM »

Just my own 2 cents, but in support of the efforts of fellow miniature gamers, I'd strongly encourage you to go with any of a number of mini systems other than those produced by Gamers Workshop. GW has recently initiated a campaign where they're threatening legal action against fans that post free, fan-created offerings that are based on GW's gaming systems. The miniatures community thrives and flourishes on the hard work of dedicated fans, so for the good of the whole miniatures community please consider another option. My public service announcement now ends. slywink

On that note Heroscape and Space Hulk would be good alternatives. I'd also recommend Star Wars Mini's which is a system my kids and I play. However, if you go the SWM route I'd also recommend downloading the SWMiniManager from www.swmgamers.com, creating desired squads and then just purchasing the necessary figures at a LGS or online store that sells singles. I suppose that advice and approach would be applicable to many of the different miniature series.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2010, 10:16:31 PM »

Quote from: Graham on April 26, 2010, 04:39:23 PM

I hope you don't mind this suggestion, but maybe you would be better off trying Heroscape.  The minis are already painted and don't require any assembly, and the battle system is easy to handle.

Just a thought.

Don't mind the suggestion at all. In fact, we already have it, and they have played it some. In fact, I've been considering simply encouraging them to play it more/learn more of the rules/maybe add some more bits to that, instead of trying something totally new. Another thought was to get them to play something else we already have, like Pirates of the Spanish Main.

Appreciate the suggestions, keep them coming. I'm not familiar with Space Hulk or at-43 (though Rackham has been around for...well..ever).
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2010, 11:40:35 PM »

I would also advise against 40k or Fantasy as the cost to get into it is really high, and as above, if I can't even finish my army, there's very little chance your kids will.  The rules and gameplay aren't that good either, in my opinion as a long time gamer who has played many systems.

Space Hulk is a board game set in the 40K universe that pits elite Space Marine Terminators against the deadly Tyranid Genestealers aboard these massive amalgamations of space flotsam called space hulks.

The board game is a good start since it has plastic miniatures that your kids can play with and paint, but with more well defined rules and scenarios, allowing for much quicker play right out of the box.  The rules are a decent intro to wargaming as well.  And if you're interested I'm currently painting up my copy of space hulk to sell, but it's likely more than you want to spend.

AT-43 is a mass battle scifi wargame, similar to 40k in that aspect.  But the stuff comes pre-assembled, painted, and boxed more like toys.  A good alternative, however the company behind it is currently in shambles and might go under.  That said, to you that will mean clearance sales on their product in the near future, in fact some places near me have already started.  It's a decent game marred only be poorly translated rules (which can lead to some problems with your kids learning the rules on their own).
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 03:53:22 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on April 27, 2010, 11:40:35 PM

And if you're interested I'm currently painting up my copy of space hulk to sell, but it's likely more than you want to spend.

Finding a copy of Space Hulk seems a bit like finding a copy of Talisman 2nd edition...ok maybe not quite THAT bad. I still want to head to that FLGS I mentioned and see what they have. Maybe they have some of the at-43 (and I think Rackham has been permanently in shambles for the last 30 years---huh they were formed in '97. would have sworn it was much earlier).
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 04:52:38 PM »

Actually, Space Hulk is no longer limited edition.  GW is producing more copies, but being who they are, it'll be slow to market and try to trickle them out to stores.  So, you should be able to order one from a store.

And hey, where's Perry?
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2010, 05:02:01 AM »

I was in this same position in 2006.  When my son turned 12, I decided it would be a good father-son project to paint and game a miniature army.  My son had a greater interest in fantasy than historical so we agreed to start with fantasy and then move to the other in the future.  I too was warned about Warhammer but once I showed my son the Battle for Skull Pass starter kit,  we were hooked.   

The Good:  Over a couple of years, we finished 2000 pt. dwarf and Orc/Goblin armies. I let my son strategize what units to build out each army with.  We made a good painting team.  I was better at techniques like drybrushing and inking and he was better at finesse and fine detail.  The few battles we've had with our armies were great but we've definitely spent more time painting than playing. Also, it's amazing how far our painting skills progressed from the first Goblins we painted.
 
The Bad:  My son's homework and after school  activities keep him so busy that he hasn't painted in over a year.  Before he bailed, he asked for a Tomb King army for Christmas.  Working the Bartertown website, I put together an "affordable" one.  It sat for some time before I put it together and this winter, I started painting it by myself.  My daughter saw me working on the Carrion figures last week and expressed an interest in painting so I think I'm going to bring her in.   thumbsup

All in all, Warhammer is expensive and a substantial commitment to assemble and paint. I'm not complaining.  WH was a fun while it lasted.  It got me back into painting and I'm moving into historical minis.  I just started a Field of Glory 15mm Carthaginian army and I have a Roman army in the wings.  If you and your boys can paint/assemble together and everyone enjoys it, well, then it'll be a big win for you.  Good luck, whatever you choose!
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2010, 05:35:14 AM »

You might take a look at the Battleground series.  It's easy to learn and all of the pieces are tiles that represent armies.  It is much less expensive and it would be a good way to learn strategy and learn a little history as well.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2010, 05:35:34 PM »

We picked up a set of Mutant Chronicles yesterday to give that a try. I let him pick between that or a box of more Heroscape stuff. I've heard good stuff about War Machine so maybe we'll give that a shot of the interest continues.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2010, 12:39:23 PM »

Mordheim is still officially out of print, right?  But I think you can download the rules for free from the GW website...let me look...

Yep.  Here you go.

Mordheim is the only GW game that I will still play.  I have a HUGE collection of WFB stuff that sits unused in my basement, because I really got tired of the constant churn of rules changes.  Plus, I really like Mordheim in that you only need about a dozen figures a side to have a really fun game, and your games can be finished out in about 2 hours.  You could try the free rules with some of your Heroscape figs, to see if you like the rule set, and then if you decide you want to go the Mordheim route and try your hand at minis painting, buy a couple of boxes of the plastic minis (say a Skaven box set and a Empire Free company box set) and you should be set for quite a while.
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