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« on: September 18, 2012, 09:50:36 PM »

see attached; the quotes are not hyperlinks anymore.  does this in both IE 9 and Firefox 15.0.1.  on iPhone Safari it was putting whoever was quoted's avatar in the 'quote from' section, but a simple reboot of the iPhone seems to have fixed it for now.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 10:16:44 PM »

just saw the explanation in the Robocop thread, so NM biggrin
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 10:29:10 PM »

Is retaining that as a link a must-have feature for anybody? Removing it seemed like not a big deal
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 11:19:31 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 10:29:10 PM

Is retaining that as a link a must-have feature for anybody? Removing it seemed like not a big deal

not really, I was more concerned it might be due to something going wrong somewhere.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 11:27:08 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on September 18, 2012, 11:19:31 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 10:29:10 PM

Is retaining that as a link a must-have feature for anybody? Removing it seemed like not a big deal

not really, I was more concerned it might be due to something going wrong somewhere.

Right on. If anybody misses it I'm sure I'll hear about it slywink

In the meantime, how about the sexy link embeds? biggrin
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 11:55:05 PM »

It's-a very nice. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 12:02:36 AM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 11:27:08 PM

In the meantime, how about the sexy link embeds? biggrin

just noticed there was something popping up on NoScript, so I allowed it, and then forbid it.  too noisy but easily avoidable.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 12:25:44 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on September 19, 2012, 12:02:36 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 11:27:08 PM

In the meantime, how about the sexy link embeds? biggrin

just noticed there was something popping up on NoScript, so I allowed it, and then forbid it.  too noisy but easily avoidable.

But look what you're missing out on:


That's right- video embed!
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 05:08:52 AM »

Actually, the load order is screwing with the New Post functionality.  I hit the link, it loads the page to the appropriate post, then all the load-ins push that post down off the screen and I have to scroll down to find where I left off.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 07:23:15 AM »

Count me as one who is not a fan of the new link embeds at all.  I always middle click on links to open them up in a new tab and that doesn't work on these new fangled links.  Not to mention I don't want to see a giant preview of every link we have. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 07:30:43 AM »

While i really like the new info boxes/embedded stuff

There is a link quoted from 'Grim in the Obsidian Kickstarter thread that i was using to check on the Obsidian total,now when i click on the link in the quote(entitled 'kickstarter'),it just scrolls the page down a little to the video because the kickstarter link contains a video,but it's not the video i want to check out  icon_cry

this is the post i mean
http://gamingtrend.com/forums/console-gaming/obsidian-countdown/msg880127/#msg880127


It does have a kickstarter link underneath the embedded video but that goes to the Home page of Kickstarter and not the Obsidian kickstarter,i can live with it because that home page currently has most popular kickstarters on their homepage but i can see it being a problem later on in other subjects if a link gets put up but it has a video in the link,when the video isn't the important part

do you follow what i mean?,because i lost myself in the first paragraph icon_biggrin
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 12:13:44 PM »

I like it.

Really messes up the Random Youtube Links thread load-wise, though... Not sure how to fix that.

On a separate note, is there a way to make clicking on an embed open a new page?  I've already found that I click, it takes me somewhere and I instinctively close the tab when I'm done.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 12:33:41 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 19, 2012, 12:25:44 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 19, 2012, 12:02:36 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 11:27:08 PM

In the meantime, how about the sexy link embeds? biggrin

just noticed there was something popping up on NoScript, so I allowed it, and then forbid it.  too noisy but easily avoidable.

But look what you're missing out on:


That's right- video embed!

meh, I can live without it.  too bad there isn't a forum option to enable/disable it, so those who like it can have it while those who don't won't have to rely on third party solutions.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 02:41:02 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on September 19, 2012, 07:30:43 AM

While i really like the new info boxes/embedded stuff

There is a link quoted from 'Grim in the Obsidian Kickstarter thread that i was using to check on the Obsidian total,now when i click on the link in the quote(entitled 'kickstarter'),it just scrolls the page down a little to the video because the kickstarter link contains a video,but it's not the video i want to check out  icon_cry

this is the post i mean
http://gamingtrend.com/forums/console-gaming/obsidian-countdown/msg880127/#msg880127


It does have a kickstarter link underneath the embedded video but that goes to the Home page of Kickstarter and not the Obsidian kickstarter,i can live with it because that home page currently has most popular kickstarters on their homepage but i can see it being a problem later on in other subjects if a link gets put up but it has a video in the link,when the video isn't the important part

do you follow what i mean?,because i lost myself in the first paragraph icon_biggrin

If you click play on the video, a link to the actual kickstarter page shows up while you are waiting. Additionally, the original link you put in remains.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 02:48:19 PM »

So, this is an experiment. UX research has been pretty positive about the effect of link embeds such as this. They definitely come across as more compelling, and being able to watch a video directly sure is nice. Things like the load order issues and such are a pain, but I may strip this out by the time the experiment is over.


To be frank, we're working on a complete overhaul of the forum situation and things are going to change rather dramatically soon. A final link embed solution will likely work better than the one I've implemented here.
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 03:18:29 PM »

Not a fan.  They distract from reading the threads.  At least provide a way to disable it.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2012, 03:19:01 PM »

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If you click play on the video, a link to the actual kickstarter page shows up while you are waiting. Additionally, the original link you put in remains.

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 12:01:35 AM »

Quote from: Laner on September 19, 2012, 03:18:29 PM

Not a fan.  They distract from reading the threads.  At least provide a way to disable it.

For the love of God, please do give us a way to disable it..or sad to say I am going to visit Gaming Trend even less than I do now.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2012, 01:20:11 AM »

Again, this is an experiment. I'll likely disable this in a few days. Those of you who don't like it can help me better by giving a reason why- distracting is one. Load order is another.



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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2012, 01:30:42 AM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 20, 2012, 01:20:11 AM

Those of you who don't like it can help me better by giving a reason why- distracting is one. Load order is another.

poll added that might help out.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2012, 02:00:04 AM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 20, 2012, 01:20:11 AM

Those of you who don't like it can help me better by giving a reason why- distracting is one. Load order is another.

Here's an example from the xkcd thread of how annoyingly busy it can make a post.

What it would have looked like before:

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Why are 11s11e, 11s11w, 11n11w and 11n11e completely blank? The S ones are black, and the N ones are white. A rudimentary steganalysis reveals nothing.
    (Before anyone asks, the images exist, and it isn't just being filled in)

    I've hardly ever seen Randall add blank images for no reason, and the coordinates are oddly specific.

    hllp://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11e.png
    hllp://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11w.png
    hllp://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11e.png
    hllp://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11w.png

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Why are 11s11e, 11s11w, 11n11w and 11n11e completely blank? The S ones are black, and the N ones are white. A rudimentary steganalysis reveals nothing.
    (Before anyone asks, the images exist, and it isn't just being filled in)

    I've hardly ever seen Randall add blank images for no reason, and the coordinates are oddly specific.

    http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11e.png
    http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11n11w.png
    http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11e.png
    http://imgs.xkcd.com/clickdrag/11s11w.png
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2012, 02:11:58 AM »

Yeah, I saw that. There's a crucial piece of functionality missing with this method of using embed.ly and that is the 'don't include a link preview' capability.

It's a great addition for some links, but it gets wonky for others. I'm using the 'anywhere' method for this experiment, but a final solution in the new forum software lies in the API.

Hang in there, guys! I'm getting good data here.
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2012, 02:14:44 AM »

One other thing I just noticed is that it hijacks the posted link.  I was trying to hit the Torchlight II review link, and it just scrolled me down to the preview window so that I had to click on the link that it generated inside it.  It kind of misses the point of it being a link in the first place.
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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2012, 02:35:52 AM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 20, 2012, 01:20:11 AM

Again, this is an experiment. I'll likely disable this in a few days. Those of you who don't like it can help me better by giving a reason why- distracting is one. Load order is another.

It is disruptive, distracting and obnoxious.  It makes it harder to read the thread, and for me it adds absolutely 0 value.
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2012, 03:47:57 AM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 10:29:10 PM

Is retaining that as a link a must-have feature for anybody? Removing it seemed like not a big deal

If you're talking about the hyperlink in the "quote" text, I've used it on numerous occasions (particularly when PMing), so I'd consider it must-have for me.

Not a fan of the link embeds for EVERYTHING, either.  For instance, when I originally made this post, when it reloaded the thread page, it didn't send me to this post; it sent me to Wonderpug's multiple embed post, which is pretty annoying.
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2012, 04:17:06 AM »

Quote from: Arkon on September 20, 2012, 02:35:52 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 20, 2012, 01:20:11 AM

Again, this is an experiment. I'll likely disable this in a few days. Those of you who don't like it can help me better by giving a reason why- distracting is one. Load order is another.

It is disruptive, distracting and obnoxious.  It makes it harder to read the thread, and for me it adds absolutely 0 value.

Agreed. It looks fucking horrific to me. I'm all for YouTube embeds, but not at this cost.

It's literally bad enough that if I know a thread will have it, I just won't click on that thread.
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2012, 10:19:21 AM »

I can't say I'm overly fond of this stuff. When I post something, I expect to have full control over what appears in it. With this, control is taken away from me and the contents of my posts depend entirely upon the link's ability to format its content properly. Not to mention that this stuff will discourage people from writing about the links they post since the link itself will do it for them.
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2012, 01:00:56 PM »

I don't suppose there's a way to have things embedlied only if they're marked with [embed]some kind of embedly brackets?[/embed]  That way they'll only appear when people explicitly want them to appear.
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2012, 05:14:27 PM »

I definitely don't like them. Not only are they distracting, but they slow down my aging computer something serious when opening multiple pages.
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2012, 05:34:21 PM »

I quite like the Twitter ones,i don't have to copy and paste what was said,just put in the URL status

https://twitter.com/simonpegg/status/246313981038456832
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2012, 06:24:36 PM »

Ok, you may have noticed that the embeds are gone smile  Thanks for all of the feedback, guys!

Some key notes coming out of this for the future API-centric implementation on the upcoming forum overhaul:

  • Automatic embed only on first post of a thread- this should cut down on noise a bit and also prevent us from exceeding the monthly rate limit (which we were close to in less than a week)
  • User ability to opt out of link embedding on their thread-starting post, as well as opt in for links in a response to post
  • Add preview the link embed before publish post
  • Restrict what kind of links use the embed function- Basically so we can avoid recursive forum links and anything that doesn't format well
  • original link should not be overridden by the embed

Load order will likely be less of an issue if we use the API, but only testing will provide that answer.  You guys won't see any of this for a while, though, as it's further down the priority list for the forum overhaul project.
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2012, 06:30:43 PM »

Thank you for a) working to keep us moving forward and b) being responsive to constructive criticism. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2012, 08:05:26 PM »

Sounds like a good solution to the issues.
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2012, 10:27:11 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2012, 02:36:16 PM »

Quote from: pr0ner on September 20, 2012, 03:47:57 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 10:29:10 PM

Is retaining that as a link a must-have feature for anybody? Removing it seemed like not a big deal

If you're talking about the hyperlink in the "quote" text, I've used it on numerous occasions (particularly when PMing), so I'd consider it must-have for me.


Agreed.  The quote-hyperlink can be especially valuable when someone has cited a few lines out of a particularly long post, or is quoting someone on a previous page, or even from a different thread altogether.  It's always been extremely convenient to just click on the text and go directly to the original source.

I don't know what backend benefit there might be to eliminating the links, but I'm much rather have them in place.

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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2012, 05:29:36 PM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 23, 2012, 02:36:16 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on September 20, 2012, 03:47:57 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 18, 2012, 10:29:10 PM

Is retaining that as a link a must-have feature for anybody? Removing it seemed like not a big deal

If you're talking about the hyperlink in the "quote" text, I've used it on numerous occasions (particularly when PMing), so I'd consider it must-have for me.


Agreed.  The quote-hyperlink can be especially valuable when someone has cited a few lines out of a particularly long post, or is quoting someone on a previous page, or even from a different thread altogether.  It's always been extremely convenient to just click on the text and go directly to the original source.

I don't know what backend benefit there might be to eliminating the links, but I'm much rather have them in place.

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I used it infrequently, but I have to say the forums look pretty strange/bad without them there any longer.
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2012, 10:07:26 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 19, 2012, 02:48:19 PM

To be frank, we're working on a complete overhaul of the forum situation and things are going to change rather dramatically soon. A final link embed solution will likely work better than the one I've implemented here.
Will an overhaul look like this?


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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2012, 01:02:51 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2012, 02:46:25 AM »

The quote links would be super duper awesome to have back. I love them and think they're nifty, but I don't love or hold as high an opinion of niftyness about quote links as I do about Gaming Trend, Knightshade Dragon, and all the immense amount of time and money and sweat and other things similar but not limited to time and money and sweat he and his crew put into it. If there's one thing I want, it's more opportunities to tell Knightshade he's awesome and he has beautiful facial features. If there's two, it's that I really miss having quote links.
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2012, 06:30:45 PM »

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