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« on: September 11, 2006, 04:41:48 PM »

At BC they have a separate user group only forum for stuff like Sunday Skin and other NSFW stuff. Any chance of getting one of those here? It's like a landmine sitting there waiting me for to click on...and I have regrettably.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 07:17:44 PM »

I like this idea, and often thought of this as well.  I made a post in the mod forum to start the discussion.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2006, 01:39:11 AM »

Are there enough posts to warrant it? The NSFW tag is pretty obvious, people have to take some responsibility here if they are going to be viewing game sites at work.

I don't care either way. I just don't think GT needs it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2006, 03:10:09 AM »

I think its totally and utterly unnecessary. Just pay attention to thread titles and NSFW tags.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2006, 03:41:50 AM »

I'll repost my response from the moderator's forum (which you guys can't see cuz you ain't cool like me  HAH!):

The current system leads to a couple of problems for me:

1) It's hard to moderate based on the CoC.  Does half a nipple count?  What about 3/4 of an ass crack?  The nature of the threads (and part of the fun) are to push the line.

2) I can't moderate it (or even look at it) at work and usually not at home either with three kids running around and my wife wondering why I'm checking out teh girlies on teh intarweb.

3) It kinda creates a locker room mentality which might be bothersome or just excluding to our female posters.  We don't have a lot of them - only Mytocles and Merian Moriarity come to mind but I'd hate to see them leave or others not show up because of it.

Moving it to its own section as a kind of "free for all" zone is appealing to me.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2006, 04:59:15 AM »

I agree with having a separate forum for it being a bit much.  Other than the Sunday Skin, there aren't really any other "skin" type threads out there. 
Maybe add a different type of tag like [SKIN]?
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 06:09:10 AM »

How many people would actually benefit from it? Not that I really see the benfits.

NSFW tag?

You're at work, or you don't like to see half naked women you aren't married to?

Don't click it. Is that really hard?

Just don't allow full nudity or something. The Chicken Coup is pretty inactive, it shows that it really isn't needed. My only gripe is that I am completely against adding yet another forum that gets little traffic to please a couple of people who can easily avoid the rare problem thread.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 12:21:33 PM »

I've only had problems once when a pic was posted which was NSFW in a thread that wasn't labelled as such.  99 times of 100 it would've been fine; that day it might or might not have been seen by one of the four women who are in my building who happened to walk by at that moment.  For my part, the current system works pretty well.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2006, 03:06:26 PM »

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Uh. Since when? slywink

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Don't click it. Is that really hard?

You'd be surprised how difficult it is to stay out of those threads. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2006, 03:16:27 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 03:06:26 PM

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Uh. Since when? slywink
I'm pretty sure since birth.   Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2006, 05:05:46 PM »

Maybe... if the forum software could change the color of threads?  Like, threads you want to mark as NSFW would have their links changed from the standard shade of blue to, say, red, as a precaution?

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2006, 01:25:14 AM »

Or you could just ditch the skin. I like skin, but if I want some I know where to get it... what does half naked women have to do with gaming... well I mean other than being how women are generally represented in games. Seems like something a fifth rate gaming site might do, maybe we could rise to 4th rate by dropping the NSFW stuff.  ninja Just a thought. Again, I'm not opposed to skin, I've seen my fair share of porn and been to an unreasonable number of sites of questionable moral value, but I don't really think it fits here. I wonder how many kids visit GT... a bet any whose moms catch them in the Sunday Skin threads find their parents add it to the block list if they pay any attention to their kids surfing habits.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2006, 02:33:47 AM »

Quote from: coopasonic on September 13, 2006, 01:25:14 AM

Or you could just ditch the skin. I like skin, but if I want some I know where to get it... what does half naked women have to do with gaming... well I mean other than being how women are generally represented in games. Seems like something a fifth rate gaming site might do, maybe we could rise to 4th rate by dropping the NSFW stuff.  ninja Just a thought. Again, I'm not opposed to skin, I've seen my fair share of porn and been to an unreasonable number of sites of questionable moral value, but I don't really think it fits here. I wonder how many kids visit GT... a bet any whose moms catch them in the Sunday Skin threads find their parents add it to the block list if they pay any attention to their kids surfing habits.

You're right, what does the "Off-Topic" forum have to do with gaming? Lets drop the whole thing, it makes Gaming Trend look 5th rate.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2006, 10:32:53 AM »

Now if that isn't an overreaching conclusion I don't know what is.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2006, 11:40:03 AM »

This is fun.

 Bring your own!
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2006, 12:02:31 PM »

 eek We have SKIN threads???   drool WHERE?!!

As I understand it, video games promote violence. Skin threads promote degredation of the human soul (or so says puritan ideals).

Welcome to Sin City folks! Step right up!!
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2006, 12:41:35 PM »

I think it just depends on whether you want Gaming Trend to be known as a gaming site or a gaming/softcore porn site.  It always seemed odd to me that Ron was sponsoring Sunday Skin as a regular feature when he's made it clear he wants to grow Gaming Trend into a respected establishment in the industry.  It's one thing to let your members create NSFW picture threads, and another to say "Sunday Sunday Sunday!  Come get your softcore porn at Gaming Trend!"

Note that the Sunday Skin threads don't bother me at all personally, it just seems like an odd direction to take the site.
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2006, 01:07:05 PM »

Theres religious farts in my area that like to tell everyone to avoid the lottery or alcohol simply because they dont like it themselves and want to tell everyone else what to do. This thread has posts that sound a lot like that so ill say what I always say to those types. If you dont like it then dont do it and leave everyone else alone smile
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2006, 01:53:38 PM »

Quote from: Daehawk on September 13, 2006, 01:07:05 PM

Theres religious farts in my area that like to tell everyone to avoid the lottery or alcohol simply because they dont like it themselves and want to tell everyone else what to do. This thread has posts that sound a lot like that
Besides ATB's initial posts, I don't see anyone in this thread saying they want NSFW threads to go away because they themselves don't like them.  And even ATB isn't saying to get rid of them entirely, just to set them aside from the "family friendly" part of the forums.

  • Naednek says he likes the idea of a seperate forum.
  • warning says [NSFW threads throughout the forum, like Sunday Skin, are] hard to moderate, and create a locker room mentality that may alienate female members
  • coopasonic says he likes porn, but it doesn't fit with the idea of a gaming site, and mentions that there are children who view this site
  • wonderpug says that weekly porn posted by the site administrator doesn't really help the "professional, premiere gaming site" image Ron has said he's trying to build GT into
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2006, 03:11:05 PM »

Quote from: warning on September 12, 2006, 03:41:50 AM

I'll repost my response from the moderator's forum (which you guys can't see cuz you ain't cool like me  HAH!):

The current system leads to a couple of problems for me:

1) It's hard to moderate based on the CoC. [...]
2) I can't moderate it (or even look at it) at work and usually not at home either [...]
3) It kinda creates a locker room mentality [...]

Moving it to its own section as a kind of "free for all" zone is appealing to me.

I think you should re-read Warning's post; you got it exactly backwards in your summary.

oh, and hehe. You said CoC. heh.
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2006, 03:26:22 PM »

No, I got it right, I just didn't define my pronouns very well.  You said people wanted to change things because they "don't like it themselves."  My list is of all the posts where people support the idea of a seperate Skin Forum.  warning is saying that he likes the idea of a "free for all" zone instead of having NSFW pictures throughout the main forum.  This supports the point I was trying to make--none of people in this thread arguing for a seperate Skin Forum are doing so because it goes against their personal tastes, except for ATB who is personally against the porn but still reaching for a compromise instead of what you say your "religious farts" do.
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2006, 07:05:26 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on September 13, 2006, 12:41:35 PM

I think it just depends on whether you want Gaming Trend to be known as a gaming site or a gaming/softcore porn site.  It always seemed odd to me that Ron was sponsoring Sunday Skin as a regular feature when he's made it clear he wants to grow Gaming Trend into a respected establishment in the industry...

...Note that the Sunday Skin threads don't bother me at all personally, it just seems like an odd direction to take the site.

I'm not so sure about these conclusions.  When you say, "...odd direction to take the site." - you are concluding that one post each week by Ron in an Off-Topic Forum is somehow connected to the main gaming site that is GamingTrend.  I am not so sure that connection can/should be made, and am reasonably sure he isn't "taking the site" anywhere due to that.  My opinion of course.

In regards to your "gaming/softcore porn site" comment... Again, I'm thinking that comment is a bit off somehow.  I mean, is that what your really think, Wonderpug?
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2006, 08:37:16 PM »

I guess my words are coming across stronger than I'm intending.  Let me try and say it differently.

Sunday Skin, in its current state, is a weekly feature of Gaming Trend.  Although it doesn't appear on the front page, it's still in the same category as a weekly column or feature.  In addition, it isn't created by an ordinary forum member, it's created by the Owner/Administrator of Gaming Trend.

When the site switched from Console Gold to Gaming Trend, and shook off all it's Gone Gold tie-ins, Ron made it clear that he had big grand plans for growing the site into something like "the premier gaming site" or something along those lines.  Whatever the terminology, I thought it was clear even before the name switch that Ron wanted to really make Gaming Trend a valued and respected entity in the gaming media world.  A weekly posting of softcore porn by the site administrator doesn't really line up to that dream in my eyes.

Is the gray area is whether or not a weekly porn post by the Administrator in the Off-Topic forum is tied to the www.gamingtrend.com main website?

Again, I'm not personally against the Sunday Skin or NSFW threads.  Softcore porn for all!  I just think it's unprofessional.  But hey, I'm neither a female forum member, nor a parent of a young gamer, or a developer/publisher in the gaming world.
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2006, 12:51:39 AM »

How about just having one big skin thread that everyone adds to? 

Honestly, whether or not there is a weekly "skin" thread isn't a big deal to me.  Don't get me wrong, I get a kick out of it as much as the next guy, but I can live without it if it's causing friction.  I think it became more of a traditional weekly thing rather than all of us sitting and waiting for Ron to put up the Sunday Skin, so now it seems a little strange if it doesn't show up.
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2006, 02:31:11 AM »

Quote from: Nth Power on September 14, 2006, 12:51:39 AM

How about just having one big skin thread that everyone adds to? 

Honestly, whether or not there is a weekly "skin" thread isn't a big deal to me.  Don't get me wrong, I get a kick out of it as much as the next guy, but I can live without it if it's causing friction.  I think it became more of a traditional weekly thing rather than all of us sitting and waiting for Ron to put up the Sunday Skin, so now it seems a little strange if it doesn't show up.

If people can't post something about a particular game in a thread that's already been posted, what makes you think people will post their skin in one master thread?

Anyways, we're still discussing in the mod forums, just waiting for a response.  Nothing has been decided as of now.
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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2006, 02:57:45 AM »

Quote from: naednek on September 14, 2006, 02:31:11 AM

Quote from: Nth Power on September 14, 2006, 12:51:39 AM

How about just having one big skin thread that everyone adds to? 

Honestly, whether or not there is a weekly "skin" thread isn't a big deal to me.  Don't get me wrong, I get a kick out of it as much as the next guy, but I can live without it if it's causing friction.  I think it became more of a traditional weekly thing rather than all of us sitting and waiting for Ron to put up the Sunday Skin, so now it seems a little strange if it doesn't show up.

If people can't post something about a particular game in a thread that's already been posted, what makes you think people will post their skin in one master thread?

Anyways, we're still discussing in the mod forums, just waiting for a response.  Nothing has been decided as of now.
Yeah, just throwing ideas out there, hence Mr. Shruggy.  :smile:
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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2006, 03:25:02 AM »

If we do have a 'Skins' forum, will there be a sticky linking the previous gonegold and consolegold sites??   icon_twisted

How many people will actually post in a 'Skins' forum if there was one?  There's really only the Sunday Skins thread and the random is **celebrity's name** hot or not. 

Personally, I get my fill of looking at naked chicks and the like running a google search or visiting other more 'dedicated' porn/skin sites.
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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2006, 03:31:15 AM »

Quote from: coopasonic on September 13, 2006, 01:25:14 AM

Or you could just ditch the skin. I like skin, but if I want some I know where to get it... what does half naked women have to do with gaming... well I mean other than being how women are generally represented in games. Seems like something a fifth rate gaming site might do, maybe we could rise to 4th rate by dropping the NSFW stuff.
Agreed... It's not like it's difficult to find nekkid pictures on the internet in the first place.  "Sunday Skin" seemed from the beginning to be a cheap ploy to boost forum traffic during the weekends. I'd just as soon see it go, rather than pandering to the LCD.
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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2006, 05:07:33 AM »

Having a fourm just for skin would be pandering, and reflect on the GT site itself. An occasional thread is just fun goofing off, and you can't judge the main site by the occasional forum post that is graphic.
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2006, 05:45:22 AM »

Quote from: Lee on September 14, 2006, 05:07:33 AM

Having a fourm just for skin would be pandering, and reflect on the GT site itself. An occasional thread is just fun goofing off, and you can't judge the main site by the occasional forum post that is graphic.

After much discussion, I'd have to agree.  I just don't think it is the direction we want to head.  Occasional posts with the goods is one thing, a whole forum resource dedicated it turns it into something else.
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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2006, 10:09:12 PM »

I just don't want things that some people might deem NSFW banned outright.  I don't think we need a whole skin forum, but I don't mind an occassional NSFW thread.  It doesn't have to be just boobs, but things that some might find funny or tasteless.  I don't want the GT forums to become completely sanitized.

I like the status quo here.  It seems to work okay to me anyway.
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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2006, 10:13:49 PM »

Quote from: stiffler on September 14, 2006, 10:09:12 PM

I just don't want things that some people might deem NSFW banned outright.  I don't think we need a whole skin forum, but I don't mind an occassional NSFW thread.  It doesn't have to be just boobs, but things that some might find funny or tasteless.  I don't want the GT forums to become completely sanitized.

I like the status quo here.  It seems to work okay to me anyway.

Me too.  I really have no problem with any of it other than the issues of moderating it.  If I'm at work and someone reports a post to me that has a picture of a nipple I'm not able to do anything about it other than notify Ron or another mod. Fortunately we are all pretty well-behaved here and Crowley hasn't graced us with his presence recently.   saywhat
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2006, 10:28:26 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2006, 05:04:45 AM »

Actually, if I may interject here, as a BCer.

Our NSFW forum gets very very little traffic.  It's mostly just a thread a month, and then Daehawk posts some pictures of skanky woman and then we all make fun of him.  Good times.  What I like about our setup is that generally I don't have to worry about coming across that kind of stuff at work, because it's all in one place.  I can't tell you how many times in OO that some genius drops the Tara Reid nipple shot or some super sexual but not nekkid picture and I have to quickly close the window. 
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2006, 09:33:46 PM »

BC has a much more "group of friends" feel to it rather than a serious gaming site. If I went to Computer Gaming Worlds gaming site, and they had a forum that contained an "official" skin forum, I would think less of them. Kind of like that magaizine that tried to be like Maxim. GT has more of a proffesional feel to it, and even though the occasional NSFW thread exsists, they are so rare that I don't think it would reflect on the site. Now if GT had 5-6 skin threads on the top 20 threads, I might get a feeling they weren't for me.

Also as far as OO goes, I find those random skin pictures much more rare now. It still happens, but not to the degree that it used to.
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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2006, 02:35:06 PM »

FWIW, I have no problem with an occasional Skin thread, but an entirely seperate forum would definately be overkill.  It's not like we're a group of drooling pervs constantly clicking Refresh on Sunday morning to see if Ron's posted the his 'Sunday Skin' yet.  Well, maybe Warning, but I digress...   icon_wink  It's just a fun little thing, and I highly doubt it's done as something to drive traffic to the site on weekends, as was suggested.

There is the occasional suggestive thread, but I think the community as a whole is very good about keeping it to an appropriate level.  As long as anything NSFW gets tagged as such (which 99% of the time it is), I don't have any problems avoiding stuff that I should click on at work or when the missus is around.
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2006, 06:30:29 PM »

Wow I dont post for a few days and we are still talking about this? Come on guys, making a forum for it just justifies and confirms its existence. Its fine in a few scattered threads.
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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2006, 12:31:17 AM »

Quote from: Calvin on October 01, 2006, 06:30:29 PM

Wow I dont post for a few days and we are still talking about this? Come on guys, making a forum for it just justifies and confirms its existence. Its fine in a few scattered threads.

Protip: Look at the post dates.
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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2006, 12:34:10 AM »

Quote from: stiffler on October 02, 2006, 12:31:17 AM

Quote from: Calvin on October 01, 2006, 06:30:29 PM

Wow I dont post for a few days and we are still talking about this? Come on guys, making a forum for it just justifies and confirms its existence. Its fine in a few scattered threads.

Protip: Look at the post dates.

Protip 2: September 30 is the day before October 1!   icon_biggrin
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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2006, 12:46:05 AM »

Quote from: wonderpug on October 02, 2006, 12:34:10 AM

Quote from: stiffler on October 02, 2006, 12:31:17 AM

Quote from: Calvin on October 01, 2006, 06:30:29 PM

Wow I dont post for a few days and we are still talking about this? Come on guys, making a forum for it just justifies and confirms its existence. Its fine in a few scattered threads.

Protip: Look at the post dates.

Protip 2: September 30 is the day before October 1!   icon_biggrin

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