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« on: February 17, 2010, 03:31:41 PM »

So, while I realize the discussion went out of a hand a bit due to the troll, I dont really get the decision to simply close a thread designed to give feedback to the sites owner, instead of moderating the troll?

seems strange, is all - especially, since it was negative feedback to the staff. I hope thats okay to give, especially once you guys *do* ask for feedback.

Anyways, just struck me as really really wierd...well, the whole deal is wierd with the article, but...thats over and done with.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2010, 03:40:42 PM »

I have/had no decision/input in the article, it's presentation, it's resolution, or solicitiation from feedback. For all intents and purposes, in this post I am speaking as a forum member rather than staff.

To me (and I missed the entire kerfuffle), most people got a chance to share their opinions. I was one of the few regulars that didn't get his 2cents in... (wierd, I know. Tongue).

There was either a troll comment or someone who legitimately felt that the collective "We" [who didn't like the article] were a bunch of pussies. Since this person isn't a regular contributer there is no way to identify if they were stirring the pot, or if they were being truthful in what they contributed - regardless, the conversation had pretty much taken a turn off the main topic after that point.

Unlike other threads, a management post to solicit feedback from the site don't generally get to meander like that, and since there were accusations of personal attacks and then the potential CoC violations (I giggle everytime I write that), I as a member (tee hee) support Naedneks decision to put a hold on the thread unless the OP wanted to gather more info.

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 04:16:58 PM »

I think the worst part was a moderator calling someone out for a personal attack that wasn't even an attack and then saying that the troll calling the entire thread pussies was acceptable because they didn't single anyone out.  That really made no sense to me at all.  Troll or not, the person should be banned.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 05:02:35 PM »

I would still like an offical comment on why the review of the rape simulator is still up.  That is not a game at all and when compared to the other titles in the article it has no place.  DOA vollyball for instance is actually a decent vollyball game, it just adds scantily clad jiggly boobies.  Rapelay is rape simulator that has the faintest hint of being a 'game'.  It's sick and everyday it is still up my respect for the site goes down.  Adding an editors note that the article is satire just really doesn't cut it.  If I had written a review of that 'game' in the PC section of the forums would it have been allowed to stay up?  What about if I added a smilie wink at the end of it?  I might be over reacting but having somebody close to me who has been through the real thing and then seeing a review of said 'game' on my favorite website just leaves me wondering why?
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 06:55:58 PM »

Quote from: WinoMcCougarstein on February 17, 2010, 04:16:58 PM

I think the worst part was a moderator calling someone out for a personal attack that wasn't even an attack and then saying that the troll calling the entire thread pussies was acceptable because they didn't single anyone out.  That really made no sense to me at all.  Troll or not, the person should be banned.

Sigh.  Look, I overstepped my authority when I said that one was a personal attack and one was not  (and the fact is likely both were). Regardless of that, at GT we NEVER ban for one such offense like that, and whatever actions the mods take are likely not going to be public.  Please put down your torch and pitchfork.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 07:11:30 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on February 17, 2010, 06:55:58 PM

Quote from: WinoMcCougarstein on February 17, 2010, 04:16:58 PM

I think the worst part was a moderator calling someone out for a personal attack that wasn't even an attack and then saying that the troll calling the entire thread pussies was acceptable because they didn't single anyone out.  That really made no sense to me at all.  Troll or not, the person should be banned.

Sigh.  Look, I overstepped my authority when I said that one was a personal attack and one was not  (and the fact is likely both were). Regardless of that, at GT we NEVER ban for one such offense like that, and whatever actions the mods take are likely not going to be public.  Please put down your torch and pitchfork.

No torch and pitchfork, just felt like the whole situation was handled very unprofessionally and I can see that it is continuing in this thread with you making accusations.  I can understand that one would not be banned for a first time personal attack but when it's their first ever post here and they're calling your long time forum members pussies, maybe you should take some action.  I'll agree to drop the issue at this point as you're a mod and I'm not and I'll let you do your job.  The whole thing stinks if you ask me.
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2010, 08:18:02 PM »

Quote from: morlac on February 17, 2010, 05:02:35 PM

I would still like an offical comment on why the review of the rape simulator is still up.  That is not a game at all and when compared to the other titles in the article it has no place.  DOA vollyball for instance is actually a decent vollyball game, it just adds scantily clad jiggly boobies.  Rapelay is rape simulator that has the faintest hint of being a 'game'.  It's sick and everyday it is still up my respect for the site goes down.  Adding an editors note that the article is satire just really doesn't cut it.  If I had written a review of that 'game' in the PC section of the forums would it have been allowed to stay up?  What about if I added a smilie wink at the end of it?  I might be over reacting but having somebody close to me who has been through the real thing and then seeing a review of said 'game' on my favorite website just leaves me wondering why?

The game exists - I think the word "review" is a misnomer - if we reviewed it, I would certainly expect it to get one of the lowest scores based on (de)merits of the game.

OTOH, depictions of violent deaths don't seem to bother most people, and yet killing is illegal. It's hard to find a defensible position in which we can say "you can't mention that" about rape or incest, but you can green-light a hobby rife with murder and dismemberment.

To say that while I'm playing Dynasty Warriors : Strikeforce for review and have a kill-count in the thousands garnered in 10 minutes of play vs. rape, the only real difference is that one is violently terminal in nature whereas the other is violently sexual.

The only thing that makes the difference is context- in Postal (a widely criticized game for it's violent and malevolent nature) it was considered morally reprehensible, as was the GTA series. RapeLay would certainly fall under the same critical view since you are perpetrating rather than "fighting against" said acts. The airport scene in the last CoD would be a similar topic.

Fact of the matter is that we somehow justify the inherent violence in our "hardcore" gaming experience as a means to an ultimately "good" end. Does it make it right or OK? Probably not.

From a cultural perspective, we consider violence to be less bad than sexual misconduct. As was pointed out in the original thread, we see violence of both kinds during primetime TV (hello CSI), however a nipple slip causes a puritan uproar. This bothers me.

[Edited to expand on my ideas, sorry for the moving target]
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2010, 08:32:07 PM »

alright...I thought we were done with this article, but...take a look at this

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The next victim of your amoral donkey parts is the 16-year-old virgin daughter of your first victim. You pretty much go through the same scarring process, but this time itís in a dilapidated bathroom. And yes, she will leave her crimson innocence on your junk.

Still there? If you havenít fallen to your knees and begged for mercy, simply wash, rinse and repeat. And this time sheís 10. So no grass, more tears and more reasons for your girlfriend to file a restraining order.

Classy writing, and classy article...while the game is what it is, the above is the author and by extension GT as a site that writes this...
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2010, 10:47:54 PM »

Thanks for chiming in Purge and while I agree at the hypocrisy in America regarding violence vs. sex, I find using that as an excuse here unacceptable.  Violence can happen in a split second due to just loosing your cool.  Rape and especially the rape of children is just in a whole nother category. Really that should be obvious.  People don't just snap and violate a 10 year old.  Yet people loose it and start punching/knifing/gunning each other all the time, some would say we are inherently a violent species.  There is a reason that even in prison Child molesters are considered the scummiest of the scum.  The tend to not last too long in general pop.

Rapelay is only a game in loosest since of the word.  It is a rape simulator, plain and simple.  The rape simulator WAS reviewed.  It wasn't a full blown review but a snippet review of it.  The author spent more time explaining it then he did any of the other actual games in the article.  Just because it exist does not make it ok to earn the time of your authors and readers.  I can't recall Roger Ebert reviewing any snuff films containing 10 year old girls, yet they exist. I actually clicked on the link in the article to the Rapelay wiki page (nother classy move as in the wiki link is a link directly to the mfr. site where you can order it I would assume, so GT is 2 degrees away from helping peddle pedophile material) (ok that's prolly not fair but still i expect better here).  There is also a link to a Something Awful review of the game and it is much worse than I thought.  Not the review but the content of the rape simulator.  Bonus: the GT mini review reads exactly like a footnotes version of that review, same tone, attempt at comedy, slang words, etc.  Is it the same author?  I won't go into details but I encourage the GT staff to go read a little deeper about the 'game' they are covering and then come back here and tell us you still think it's ok.  This will most likely be the last time I talk about it and most likely one of my last post here as I can't see contributing to a place where this kind of thing is acceptable.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2010, 11:11:08 PM »

The reason the thread was closed was that we had beaten the point into the ground and then some.  There was nothing more to say.  What else is there to say? Is there some point I've missed?  

"This will most likely be the last time I talk about it and most likely one of my last post here as I can't see contributing to a place where this kind of thing is acceptable."

This is a ridiculous overreaction.  If you are leaving over this ONE misstep, there is absolutely nothing I can say that'll make you stay.  If you are literally one mistake away from leaving, that's an impossible and unrealistic goal for me to try to reach. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2010, 11:14:19 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 17, 2010, 11:11:08 PM

The reason the thread was closed was that we had beaten the point into the ground and then some.  There was nothing more to say.  What else is there to say? Is there some point I've missed? 

I think there are a few that are looking for an apology and retraction, tbh and will go as far as threatening to leave the site without such action.
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 11:17:02 PM »

Quote from: rickfc on February 17, 2010, 11:14:19 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 17, 2010, 11:11:08 PM

The reason the thread was closed was that we had beaten the point into the ground and then some.  There was nothing more to say.  What else is there to say? Is there some point I've missed? 

I think there are a few that are looking for an apology and retraction, tbh and will go as far as threatening to leave the site without such action.

I apologized, the article isn't featured on the front page, and if people are going to leave they are going to leave.  How much bowing and scraping is necessary?  It must be nice to be completely without flaw and having never made any mistakes in ones life.  I can only imagine how glorious that must be...
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 11:18:51 PM »

I'm satisfied with KD's response in the closed thread.  It's good to know that feedback has been heard and things will be handled differently in the future.  Still not sure how I feel about how the troll was handled though and I feel like it was quite a conincidence that this "stranger" decided to post on this forum out of nowhere to defend the article in question.  That strikes me as odd.  Oh well, I'm done talking about it and will continue on my way.  Thanks KD for listening to the feedback.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2010, 11:21:30 PM »

Quote from: WinoMcCougarstein on February 17, 2010, 11:18:51 PM

I'm satisfied with KD's response in the closed thread.  It's good to know that feedback has been heard and things will be handled differently in the future.  Still not sure how I feel about how the troll was handled though and I feel like it was quite a conincidence that this "stranger" decided to post on this forum out of nowhere to defend the article in question.  That strikes me as odd.  Oh well, I'm done talking about it and will continue on my way.  Thanks KD for listening to the feedback.

That's something that has to be dealt with internally.  You guys have been here long enough to know that public lynching of staff members isn't my style.
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2010, 11:29:35 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 17, 2010, 11:21:30 PM

Quote from: WinoMcCougarstein on February 17, 2010, 11:18:51 PM

I'm satisfied with KD's response in the closed thread.  It's good to know that feedback has been heard and things will be handled differently in the future.  Still not sure how I feel about how the troll was handled though and I feel like it was quite a conincidence that this "stranger" decided to post on this forum out of nowhere to defend the article in question.  That strikes me as odd.  Oh well, I'm done talking about it and will continue on my way.  Thanks KD for listening to the feedback.

That's something that has to be dealt with internally.  You guys have been here long enough to know that public lynching of staff members isn't my style.

But it's much more fun that way!  Only kidding, in the future I will leave it in the hands of the mods.
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2010, 11:30:03 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 17, 2010, 11:17:02 PM

How much bowing and scraping is necessary?

I don't think any is necessary, but I wasn't offended by the article either.   icon_confused

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 17, 2010, 11:17:02 PM

It must be nice to be completely without flaw and having never made any mistakes in ones life.  I can only imagine how glorious that must be...

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2010, 02:58:57 AM »

Shut up, you fucking pussies.



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Actually, I just don't see how this passed editorial muster.  But lets not turn a molehill into a mountain.  Hopefully Ron has realized that the author probably doesn't have the skill nor the tact to write articles for this site again.
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2010, 03:29:14 AM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 17, 2010, 11:11:08 PM

The reason the thread was closed was that we had beaten the point into the ground and then some.  There was nothing more to say.  What else is there to say? Is there some point I've missed?  

"This will most likely be the last time I talk about it and most likely one of my last post here as I can't see contributing to a place where this kind of thing is acceptable."

This is a ridiculous overreaction.  If you are leaving over this ONE misstep, there is absolutely nothing I can say that'll make you stay.  If you are literally one mistake away from leaving, that's an impossible and unrealistic goal for me to try to reach. 

I admitted earlier that I was most likely overreacting (other thread perhaps).  I also had zero issue with the style of the article.  The tone and style was juvenile but this is a game forum after all. However, the inclusion of Rapelay just made no sense whatsoever and is really just kinda sick to be honest.  Especially the attempts at humor on the subject matter.  There are just lines that shouldn't be crossed in humor and raping 10 year olds is one imo, especially on this site which just came out of left field. I do appreciate removing the article from the front page, good move there.  I would remove it completely from the site but that's just me I suppose.  However, your response here and to close that thread were the first real attempt to apologize for the content of the article and some admission that it was over the line.  Most everything before that was along the lines of you guys don't get it,  It's satire, etc.  I wouldn't have gotten so worked up If I didn't give a shit but I have been coming here since it's inception and I love it. So take some solace in that Ron.  I'm being serious too.  Now since I have wrote that I have calmed down on the subject matter and decided that instead of leaving I will just spam the PC gaming section with 20 reviews of Japan's finest Hentai games.   banned








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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2010, 03:34:23 AM »

You start writing Hentai reviews I'll just end up putting you to work for the site.  Careful what you wish for. slywink
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2010, 03:45:24 AM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 18, 2010, 03:34:23 AM

You start writing Hentai reviews I'll just end up putting you to work for the site.  Careful what you wish for. slywink

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 04:06:46 AM »

Quote from: Blackadar on February 18, 2010, 03:45:24 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 18, 2010, 03:34:23 AM

You start writing Hentai reviews I'll just end up putting you to work for the site.  Careful what you wish for. slywink

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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2010, 07:02:55 AM »

What?! We're all friendly and chummy again? I demand a lunchmob!

edit: LYNCHmob, not lunchmob...ahem...

anyways - I'm ok with the responses as well...carry on everyone, DEFCON has been reset to 5, I repeat DEFCON is now 5...
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 05:26:21 PM »

Just curious: why is the article still up?
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 05:54:25 PM »

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on February 18, 2010, 05:26:21 PM

Just curious: why is the article still up?

We wrote it, we own it.  Burying it doesn't fix that.   

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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2010, 09:10:44 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on February 18, 2010, 05:54:25 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on February 18, 2010, 05:26:21 PM

Just curious: why is the article still up?

We wrote it, we own it.  Burying it doesn't fix that.   

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That and our shitty back end requires that sort of thing be done manually via database edit.  smile

On the contrary, to me keeping it up means that you're standing by it.  If you acknowledge it's a misstep, then it should be taken down so no new members to the site read it and form their opinions of GT from it.  That's not "burying" it; that's acknowledging the mistake and taking steps to fix it.
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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2010, 02:20:18 PM »

It's not like it advocated the killing of handicapped puppies or anything. If KD isn't worried that the article will turn people away from GT, I'll trust him on that.
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