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« on: September 14, 2004, 08:24:00 PM »

Just curious, as I'd really like to use it smile
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 08:26:15 PM »

CG Users on RSS Feed:



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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 08:27:52 PM »

Moving to site feedback.  I'd love to answer this, but I may not be able to answer it the correct way.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2004, 10:51:40 PM »

We had one at one point but it was so processor intensive that it was crashing the server.  We have since disabled it for public use and are rewriting it.  Its on 'the list'. smile
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2004, 10:57:07 PM »

Cool, thanks!

Please tell me its somewhere near the top end of the list smile
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2004, 01:42:35 PM »

Agreed.  If it doesn't have an RSS feed, it doesn't exist for me.

I don't check ConsoleGold much anymore because of this.

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Cool, thanks!

Please tell me its somewhere near the top end of the list smile
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2004, 07:51:15 AM »

Unfortunately unless RSS is redesigned to be more intelligent - I think you're going to see more and more sites stop supporting RSS feeds.

Some good articles about the problems with RSS feeds are:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2004/09/08.html#a8195
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/16/29OPconnection_1.html
http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/archive.aspx?post=734

So if CG were to make RSS feeds available again - what would you be interested in: RSS feeds of our news content or RSS feeds of our latest articles, reviews, etc?
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2004, 01:13:18 PM »

All bandwidth issues relative to RSS have been grossly overblown.  I have Opera and could easily set it to auto-update your site every 5 minutes.  If the feed-checkers would: 1) Get the last-updated field  2) Observe the frequency request set by the RSS author - the issue would go away.  Slashdot will ban you a few days if you check more than once an hour.  In addition, I use the online service BlogLines which **greatly reduces** the amount of bandwidth coming to CG?  How?  BlogLines does the checking and everyone using the service gets BlogLine's check instead of all of us checking individually.

You ask an easy question.  I'd like an RSS feed of the news.  Everything you do - articles, etc. - are referred to in the news.

Now, I would also like an RSS feed of the various forums as well.  Getting an RSS feed of General Console Gaming would just be great!

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Unfortunately unless RSS is redesigned to be more intelligent - I think you're going to see more and more sites stop supporting RSS feeds.

Some good articles about the problems with RSS feeds are:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2004/09/08.html#a8195
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/16/29OPconnection_1.html
http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/archive.aspx?post=734

So if CG were to make RSS feeds available again - what would you be interested in: RSS feeds of our news content or RSS feeds of our latest articles, reviews, etc?
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2004, 03:13:50 PM »

I use Gush as my chat/newsfeed client and watch its progress very close. Recenty someone asked the devs if they were going it implement RFC3229. Here is his whole post so you can see it:

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Lately I’ve managed to have some success in convincing developers of servers for RSS and Atom files to implement support for RFC3229[1] using the “feed”[2] instance-manipulation method that I define on my blog. It would be really nice if Gush were to support RFC3229 “Delta encoding in HTTP”. Using RFC3229 results in RSS or Atom feeds that when requested using “if-modified-since” will *only* contain items or entries that have been created or modified since the specified “modified time.” Thus, the amount of network bandwidth that is consumed in transferring RSS and Atom files can be reduced drastically.[3]

            Please consider implementing RFC3229 support (for “feed”) in Gush. For a list of servers and clients that already support it, please see [4]

               bob wyman


[1]  http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3229.txt

[2] http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2004/09/using_rfc3229_w.html

[3] http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2004/09/if_you_must_pol.html

[4] http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2004/09/implementations.html


Now I don't really know the first thing about RSS, but seems like at least some of the issues are already being taken care of.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2004, 05:08:32 PM »

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If the feed-checkers would: 1) Get the last-updated field  
Now last time I checked there wasn't any sort of intelligence like this in the RSS Readers. i.e. they just dumbly pull down the whole file even if hasn't changed in days.  Local Caching would go a long ways here.

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2) Observe the frequency request set by the RSS author - the issue would go away.  Slashdot will ban you a few days if you check more than once an hour.
hmmm - hadn't thought of this before. Seems like the best way to do that would be to make the RSS feed a dynamic  page that would not only serve the RSS file to the requester but also capture some user info such as IP, hostname, etc and save to the db or to a flatfile. Then check that record on future requests to ensure that someone hasn't gone over their "quota". Easy enough to do obviously, but  seems like a lot of overhead to serve a file that's only a couple k at most.

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In addition, I use the online service BlogLines which **greatly reduces** the amount of bandwidth coming to CG?  How?  BlogLines does the checking and everyone using the service gets BlogLine's check instead of all of us checking individually.
ersonally I think this is probably one of the best solutions. A single service or a very small set of trusted services that then deliver out the RSS to clients worldwide.  Even from the mindset of consumer, I like this solution, because it would also make it a lot easier to find the RSS feeds to other sites.

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You ask an easy question.  I'd like an RSS feed of the news.  Everything you do - articles, etc. - are referred to in the news.

Now, I would also like an RSS feed of the various forums as well. Getting an RSS feed of General Console Gaming would just be great!

Groovy.  Dutifully noted.

Now a another quick question or two for you.

Do most site feeds you check include just headers and links or do a lot of the feeds still offer full text descriptions?

How often do you have your readers set to poll the sites for updates?

Do you use the RSS feature in Opera or another client? (i.e. I want to do some client side testing myself but don't want to install opera (as i have had bad experiences with the company)

now a couple tidbits. I do use a teensy bit of RSS already in ConsoleGold - to help aggregate updates between different systems.  So I don't think it would be that hard to create one for public consumption.  It'd be a matter of either converting one or two pieces of functionality back to my codebase  and then just simply writing a file every x minutes.

Forum threads would be an interesting challenge. I think creating a general newest updates feed would be a fairly simple matter (that being said with the understanding that it's been months since I gave anything more than a cursory glance at the way PHPbb stores records.)  Probably a little more challenging would be to focus it on specific threads and/or exclude threads that aren't intended for public consumption (Like Ron's hidden furry porn thread :wink:  )
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2004, 05:10:11 PM »

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I use Gush as my chat/newsfeed client and watch its progress very close. Recenty someone asked the devs if they were going it implement RFC3229.
DOH!!!

Sometimes helps to read all the posts before I respond huh?

I'll have to look into this RFC at some point

thanks for the links.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2004, 06:41:07 PM »

Gush's default update is once an hour.

As for what content is pulled from various sources, here are the ones that are 'active':

   Gamespot: Mainly just header and one line of text.
   Gizmodo: Usually a paragraph and one image.
   Techbargains: Headers only
   MIT Technology Review (3 feeds): Headers and one line of text.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2004, 08:05:19 PM »

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Personally I think this is probably one of the best solutions. A single service or a very small set of trusted services that then deliver out the RSS to clients worldwide.  Even from the mindset of consumer, I like this solution, because it would also make it a lot easier to find the RSS feeds to other sites.


It does!  BlogLines rules.  I was using FeedDemon for a long time but using BlogLines REALLY opened the world of RSS feeds to me.  

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You ask an easy question.  I'd like an RSS feed of the news.  Everything you do - articles, etc. - are referred to in the news.

Now, I would also like an RSS feed of the various forums as well. Getting an RSS feed of General Console Gaming would just be great!

Groovy.  Dutifully noted.

Now a another quick question or two for you.

Do most site feeds you check include just headers and links or do a lot of the feeds still offer full text descriptions?


A few just offer headers and links.  The vast majority also offer descriptions.  I also hate the ones that just offer headers and links.  There usually isn't enough information in just a header to tell me if it is something interesting or not and I just don't have the time to click on everything, so I don't.

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How often do you have your readers set to poll the sites for updates?


With BlogLines, I have no choice - they poll once an hour at the most.

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Do you use the RSS feature in Opera or another client? (i.e. I want to do some client side testing myself but don't want to install opera (as i have had bad experiences with the company)


Bloglines.com is browser based.  You only need a browser and the service is totally free.

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now a couple tidbits. I do use a teensy bit of RSS already in ConsoleGold - to help aggregate updates between different systems.  So I don't think it would be that hard to create one for public consumption.  It'd be a matter of either converting one or two pieces of functionality back to my codebase  and then just simply writing a file every x minutes.

Forum threads would be an interesting challenge. I think creating a general newest updates feed would be a fairly simple matter (that being said with the understanding that it's been months since I gave anything more than a cursory glance at the way PHPbb stores records.)  Probably a little more challenging would be to focus it on specific threads and/or exclude threads that aren't intended for public consumption (Like Ron's hidden furry porn thread :wink:  )


Not sure how to advise you.  Obviously, I'd like to determine which Forums I'd like feeds from.  In other words, make each forum its own feed.

Obviously, each time a new thread is started, that's a new feed entry.  One feed I subscribe to handles new posts nicely by including the post the new post is addressing.  That helps to get the context of the new post.  Swank. :-)
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