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« on: April 02, 2007, 03:38:36 PM »

In what probably comes as a surprise to no one, Hetz has been banned from the Gaming Trend forums.  Per our policy, his ban will last for a period of at least 90 days and his forum account will only be reinstated if he a) wants to return to posting here and b) agrees to several stipulations we as mods will discuss with him at that time.

Why was he banned?  Basically there has been a continuing pattern of disrespectful and disruptive behavior.  While his response to CSL in this thread was the one that tipped the cart, he has been warned numerous times about trolling, derailing threads and generally being disruptive.  Ultimately this is Ron's party and we're all guests here.  You don't walk into someone's party and crap all over the place.

Couldn't we have done something else besides ban him?  We tried.  A lot.  As stated before, several warnings (both public and private) and a previous temp-ban didn't seem to affect his behavior at all.  In fact, when Hetz was approached about his behavior his typical response was to either claim he did nothing wrong, blame someone else, justify his behavior as a necessary defense of the PS3 or else dismiss whatever moderator was involved.  That makes it very difficult to help someone figure out to how to get along here in the forums.

Was Hetz banned because he loves the PS3 and we're all 360 and Wii fanboys?  Obviously.  Next question.

Was Hetz banned because the moderators don't like him?  Speaking for myself, I don't like or dislike Hetz.  I'm Hetz-neutral.  He seems like an intelligent, passionate, nice enough guy at times.  At other times he just makes me scratch my head.  This was a decision reached by all the moderators (including Ron) and based off numerous reports from many different forum members about many problem posts.

If you were involved in a trade with Hetz you can PM me your email address and I will forward that on to Hetz.

Feel free to ask questions but I'd really like this to not become a pile-on Hetz thread.
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 03:43:31 PM »

It's a shame it came to this, but it was clear he had lost his respect for the forum, the forumers, and the staff.  I hope he's able to come back in 90 days in the old version of his personality.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 03:46:18 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on April 02, 2007, 03:43:31 PM

It's a shame it came to this, but it was clear he had lost his respect for the forum, the forumers, and the staff.  I hope he's able to come back in 90 days in the old version of his personality.

Me too wonderpug.  Hetz was around when we first started CG and I'd hate to see it end like this.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 03:49:34 PM »

So Hetz himself has finally succumbed to the 3 Red Rings of Death. He posted a lot of good info, but I can't say I'm too surprised. At least not every topic will derail into 360 vs. PS3 (or Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD, or Oblivion vs. Every Other Game Ever Made).
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2007, 03:53:42 PM »

WTF, who's going to make the weekly threat to leave the forums now?
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2007, 03:54:45 PM »

I even offered supportive PM's back in the day where he would (seemingly involuntarily) invite pile-ons. He wasn't always right, he wasn't always wrong.

That being said, CSL didn't deserve the crap that was showing up in his thread. +1 to the GT site mods for moving forward once polite suggestion failed.

I hope Hetz cools off and comes back with a better perspective.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2007, 03:56:59 PM »

Quote from: SuperHiro on April 02, 2007, 03:53:42 PM

WTF, who's going to make the weekly threat to leave the forums now?

you can snookums.


Hetz did give good info, but this morning when he tried to re-ignite the GH2 360 argument in the 'What are you Buying this week' thread I figured he crossing the line.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2007, 03:58:33 PM »

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Was Hetz banned because he loves the PS3 and we're all 360 and Wii fanboys?  Obviously.  Next question.


LOL.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2007, 04:22:38 PM »

What dumbfounds me is the complete reversal of personalities.  I remember when the X360 came out and he won one through the Mountain Dew Contest (his sister won one too).  He was posting tons of useful info, pictures and really trumpeting the system.  I think he got his before the official release date because of the contest.  It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it while I waited to get mine on launch day.  He was so excited about the X360 and Oblivion and such.  It was infecting and really made the launch fun.  I always looked forward to his posts on the X360.

It could have been the same for the PS3 but it never materialized that way.  I was actually looking forward to the same launch excitement for the PS3 that he provided for the X360.  It quickly degraded into a bash the X360 and praise the PS3 all the time.  Yuck.  All of his posts actually made me not want to get a PS3.  I kept thinking "I don't want to support his crusade" everytime I considered buying one.  I never intended to get one at launch but if he had portrayed the same excitement as he did at the X360 launch I might have just went out and grabbed one.  He almost seems to be a different person now.  I often wondered if it really was him posting.

Just my thoughts.  What a shame.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2007, 04:26:42 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on April 02, 2007, 03:43:31 PM

It's a shame it came to this, but it was clear he had lost his respect for the forum, the forumers, and the staff.  I hope he's able to come back in 90 days in the old version of his personality.

Quuoted because I agree completely.

I like Hetz. I have known Hetz online for many years. He is a good guy. But I have no idea what is going on with him lately. He has turned every thread he has entered into a battleground, a conflict, and frequently purposefully trolled. That is not the Hetz I knew or the guy I like. I think that guy is still there, and I hope he returns in 90 days now that he has got this out of his system. He was passionate about games, he knew his stuff, and he was a source of very good information until this all went down.

That being said, I don't recall if this was the old policy (minimum 90 days, etc), but I like the policy a lot and think it allows for change and redemption. I hope it applies to -LE- and he comes back at some time, and I hope it is applied to one or two people that could probably use 3 months to think things over.

Shame it came to this, he was around from the start.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM »

Quote from: Starshifter on April 02, 2007, 04:22:38 PM

What dumbfounds me is the complete reversal of personalities.  I remember when the X360 came out and he won one through the Mountain Dew Contest (his sister won one too).  He was posting tons of useful info, pictures and really trumpeting the system.  I think he got his before the official release date because of the contest.  It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it while I waited to get mine on launch day.  He was so excited about the X360 and Oblivion and such.  It was infecting and really made the launch fun.  I always looked forward to his posts on the X360.

It could have been the same for the PS3 but it never materialized that way.  I was actually looking forward to the same launch excitement for the PS3 that he provided for the X360.  It quickly degraded into a bash the X360 and praise the PS3 all the time.  Yuck.  All of his posts actually made me not want to get a PS3.  I kept thinking "I don't want to support his crusade" everytime I considered buying one.  I never intended to get one at launch but if he had portrayed the same excitement as he did at the X360 launch I might have just went out and grabbed one.  He almost seems to be a different person now.  I often wondered if it really was him posting.

Just my thoughts.  What a shame.

Yes, it is a shame that is happened that way. At first, I was praising the PS3, but then it turned into me bashing the 360 as well, due to the constant attacks against me in those threads. I am sorry that it ended this way...but oh well. I have lost respect for this forum, but not all forum members. I guess that is why I acted the way I did today.

The 360 is a good machine which I stated over and over. I just lashed out against it when attacked. Petty, yes. Silly, yes. Live and learn. Anyway, take care everyone except the certain people here that are jumping with joy over my banning. You know who you are.

-Hetz

P.S. No, I won't be back in 90 days or it is. Thanks though. I just wanted to post this to say a final farewell. Now, you may continue the pile-on!
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2007, 04:41:49 PM »

Quote from: Wakky on April 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM

Quote from: Starshifter on April 02, 2007, 04:22:38 PM

What dumbfounds me is the complete reversal of personalities.  I remember when the X360 came out and he won one through the Mountain Dew Contest (his sister won one too).  He was posting tons of useful info, pictures and really trumpeting the system.  I think he got his before the official release date because of the contest.  It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it while I waited to get mine on launch day.  He was so excited about the X360 and Oblivion and such.  It was infecting and really made the launch fun.  I always looked forward to his posts on the X360.

It could have been the same for the PS3 but it never materialized that way.  I was actually looking forward to the same launch excitement for the PS3 that he provided for the X360.  It quickly degraded into a bash the X360 and praise the PS3 all the time.  Yuck.  All of his posts actually made me not want to get a PS3.  I kept thinking "I don't want to support his crusade" everytime I considered buying one.  I never intended to get one at launch but if he had portrayed the same excitement as he did at the X360 launch I might have just went out and grabbed one.  He almost seems to be a different person now.  I often wondered if it really was him posting.

Just my thoughts.  What a shame.

Yes, it is a shame that is happened that way. At first, I was praising the PS3, but then it turned into me bashing the 360 as well, due to the constant attacks against me in those threads. I am sorry that it ended this way...but oh well. I have lost respect for this forum, but not all forum members. I guess that is why I acted the way I did today.

The 360 is a good machine which I stated over and over. I just lashed out against it when attacked. Petty, yes. Silly, yes. Live and learn. Anyway, take care everyone except the certain people here that are jumping with joy over my banning. You know who you are.

-Hetz

P.S. No, I won't be back in 90 days or it is. Thanks though. I just wanted to post this to say a final farewell. Now, you may continue the pile-on!

Now it should be permanent.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2007, 04:42:38 PM »

Quote from: ATB on April 02, 2007, 04:41:49 PM

Quote from: Wakky on April 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM

Quote from: Starshifter on April 02, 2007, 04:22:38 PM

What dumbfounds me is the complete reversal of personalities.  I remember when the X360 came out and he won one through the Mountain Dew Contest (his sister won one too).  He was posting tons of useful info, pictures and really trumpeting the system.  I think he got his before the official release date because of the contest.  It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it while I waited to get mine on launch day.  He was so excited about the X360 and Oblivion and such.  It was infecting and really made the launch fun.  I always looked forward to his posts on the X360.

It could have been the same for the PS3 but it never materialized that way.  I was actually looking forward to the same launch excitement for the PS3 that he provided for the X360.  It quickly degraded into a bash the X360 and praise the PS3 all the time.  Yuck.  All of his posts actually made me not want to get a PS3.  I kept thinking "I don't want to support his crusade" everytime I considered buying one.  I never intended to get one at launch but if he had portrayed the same excitement as he did at the X360 launch I might have just went out and grabbed one.  He almost seems to be a different person now.  I often wondered if it really was him posting.

Just my thoughts.  What a shame.

Yes, it is a shame that is happened that way. At first, I was praising the PS3, but then it turned into me bashing the 360 as well, due to the constant attacks against me in those threads. I am sorry that it ended this way...but oh well. I have lost respect for this forum, but not all forum members. I guess that is why I acted the way I did today.

The 360 is a good machine which I stated over and over. I just lashed out against it when attacked. Petty, yes. Silly, yes. Live and learn. Anyway, take care everyone except the certain people here that are jumping with joy over my banning. You know who you are.

-Hetz

P.S. No, I won't be back in 90 days or it is. Thanks though. I just wanted to post this to say a final farewell. Now, you may continue the pile-on!

Now it should be permanent.

It is.  Alts are a no-no.

Edit: when you don't respect the forum enough to not break the CoC while you are still banned, I don't hold out much hope for things improving if the ban were lifted.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2007, 04:45:05 PM »

Quote from: Wakky on April 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM

The 360 is a good machine which I stated over and over. I just lashed out against it when attacked.

Huh - I didn't realize that CSL had attacked you in his thread. Or that anyone had mentioned you in the Guitar Hero thread. Maybe I missed something....
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2007, 04:46:13 PM »

Quote from: ATB on April 02, 2007, 03:58:33 PM

Quote from: warning on April 02, 2007, 03:38:36 PM

Was Hetz banned because he loves the PS3 and we're all 360 and Wii fanboys?  Obviously.  Next question.
LOL.

Ditto.  icon_lol

I'm sorry to see him go, but I'm not sorry to see him go, if you know what I mean.

You guys gave him plenty of chances but deliberately pissing on a thread where a guy is excited to buy a new console in the very first reply is a good time to show him the door. It's a perfect example of how his PS3 crusade was just getting in the way of our enjoyment of chatting about the hobby. I'll never understand why he took it to such lengths, especially considering the fact that he owns all the consoles, but whatever. Now we can chat about the PS3 without his probable misbehavior lurking around every corner. That's good news.
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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2007, 05:01:58 PM »

I'll pretty much ditto what Calvin said. He put it better than I can.

It was bad enough when it happened in threads where the subject dealt with PS3 vs 360, but taking a dump in ever thread possible? Geez, let it rest. Be reasonable.

I'll also ditto that I liked the "old" Hetz. Overexuberance is not necessarily a bad thing, and even up to the last couple weeks there were still posts that showed the Hetz who was a fun part of this community. It's unfortunate that things turned out the way they did, for everyone involved.

And Hetz, it's genuinely a pity that you had to pop in and break the CoC, preventing you from returning in the future. Had you gone back to the Hetz of old (I can still feel the good within you!), it would've been good to have you back. But man, anymore, I was really disappointed that you showed such poor form and sportsmanship. I'm disappointed in myself that I fell to responding to it, too.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2007, 05:14:02 PM »

That's too bad, but I think you guys made the correct decision.   While Hetz did bring some good info to the table, having every single thread degenerate into a pissing match got pretty old.
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2007, 05:23:09 PM »

I'm just gonna bite my tongue.

Edited - my spelling ability briefly failed me.
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2007, 05:24:53 PM »

Quote from: jblank on April 02, 2007, 05:23:09 PM

I'm just gonna bite my tounge.

Is that next to your tongue?
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2007, 05:27:27 PM »

Quote from: ATB on April 02, 2007, 05:24:53 PM

Quote from: jblank on April 02, 2007, 05:23:09 PM

I'm just gonna bite my tounge.

Is that next to your tongue?

Pardon the typo. In my glee I got sloppy.
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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2007, 05:37:56 PM »

Hetz, you realize this is likely your 5th final farewell on this forum right?
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2007, 05:38:07 PM »

It's just so weird.  General rule of thumb:  If you get banned from a videogame message board, you are taking the internet way too seriously.

ATB, you should not lecture anyone on spelling.
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2007, 05:40:31 PM »

Quote from: Farscry on April 02, 2007, 05:01:58 PM

I'm disappointed in myself that I fell to responding to it, too.

That's the boat I'm in too (move over and stop shoving). I'm not sorry for what I said or thought during some of those console exchanges but I do apologize to the forum as a whole that I couldn't resist the temptation to actually post them. Remove those from my posts over the years and I think I've been fairly laid back in my responses.

I'm half surprised we haven't seen a cat picture posted related to this event.
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2007, 05:42:09 PM »

Can we take the joy and glee club out of this thread? It seems tasteless.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2007, 05:44:01 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 02, 2007, 05:42:09 PM

Can we take the joy and glee club out of this thread? It seems tasteless.

Why?

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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2007, 05:46:09 PM »

Bye Hetz.  icon_frown
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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2007, 05:48:25 PM »

While I am not a huge poster on this board, I have been a daily reader for a long time and remember Hetz from the old GoneGold days. That said, I am pretty disappointed that it had to come to this but I see why it had to happen. His posts have been terrible for the last 3 months and videogames are hardly important enough to take so personally.

Anyways... Cya Hetz.

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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2007, 05:53:18 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 02, 2007, 05:42:09 PM

Can we take the joy and glee club out of this thread? It seems tasteless.

As someone who has been on the receiving end of a ban before, I sympathize with how he probably feels right now, but the difference is, unlike in my case where I was being purposely provoked by a couple of people, Hetz was 100% complicit in bringing this on himself. Should I feel bad that someone that was not only pissing me off, but almost everyone else as well, with his baiting, blatant trolling, and hypocracy, is gone? I don't think so.

Yes, the man is smart, yes, he posted good information, and thats where I will miss him, but lets not kid ourselves here, the guy was a cancer, a troublemaker, and the biggest hypocrite I have ever come across. We all have a choice on how we are going to act, and although I am no angel, and I CERTAINLY am not claiming moral authority here, he made a choice to not just be a fanboy, but be THE fanboy, for the PS3/Sony/Blu-Ray, regardless of his past comments and positions, and attack with both barrels, anyone that had a pro-Nintendo or Pro-Microsoft P.O.V. That, I will not miss.

As I told him publicly and privately, he was a different person than who he was a year ago, and in the end, it looks like that cost him his membership here.
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2007, 06:22:26 PM »

I'm guessing the biting of said tongue hurt a bit, and so you stopped?

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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2007, 06:31:51 PM »

Quote from: Lockdown on April 02, 2007, 06:22:26 PM

I'm guessing the biting of said tongue hurt a bit, and so you stopped?

 Tongue

Well, Calvin said something I disagreed with, so I decided to say something. I just don't feel like we should be in mourning here or anything, or that somehow he is off limits. I don't think we should necessarily all be lambasting him, but being honest and commenting about what happened shouldn't be grounds for being fussed at.
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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2007, 06:42:46 PM »

I was just messin' around, jblank. 

But, all kidding aside, that is one of the big catch 22's about 'ban announcement threads' imo - they can sometimes get kinda' wacky.

I never really paid too much attention to Hetz myself, except I always had the impression he made a buttload of money with all the stuff he had. 

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« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2007, 06:42:54 PM »

All I was saying was that Warning asked that we not pile on. I felt that celebrations of joy were piling on, and thus made that post. All other conversation seems pretty valid though.
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« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2007, 06:47:27 PM »

Quote from: rrmorton on April 02, 2007, 04:46:13 PM

Quote from: ATB on April 02, 2007, 03:58:33 PM

Quote from: warning on April 02, 2007, 03:38:36 PM

Was Hetz banned because he loves the PS3 and we're all 360 and Wii fanboys?  Obviously.  Next question.
LOL.

Ditto.  icon_lol

I'm sorry to see him go, but I'm not sorry to see him go, if you know what I mean.

Agreed.  He posted some great info and was always on top of the industry.  I first noticed the start of the decline back in the Oblivion days and it just seemed to have consumed him of late.  Anyway, it's too bad he couldn't reign it in, but at this point the board is better off.  I'm looking forward to having healthy and mature conversations and debates with everyone again.  I know it's not easy, but thanks to the mods for maintaining a great environment.
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« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2007, 06:51:10 PM »

The problem with criticizing a guy who just got banned is that he can't defend himself, so it's somewhat tasteless.  Also, it's kind of pointless, because he's already banned.
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« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2007, 06:54:21 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 02, 2007, 06:42:54 PM

All I was saying was that Warning asked that we not pile on. I felt that celebrations of joy were piling on, and thus made that post. All other conversation seems pretty valid though.

Are we reading the same thread?  I see, lots of "Too bads, but..." and "it's a shame but..." type statements and very few people saying good riddance.  Most people seem to be genuinely sad to see him go, but understand the reasoning.  I'm not seeing the pile-on here C.
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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2007, 06:56:03 PM »

Sorry to see Hetz leave.   His ethusiam  for gaming sure did get me excited.  I see him sign on to Live, so I don't think he is that much a PS3 fanboi.

Anyway, personally I will miss his insight and excitment for new games and hardware, but his trolling of recent had to be handled.
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« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2007, 07:03:45 PM »

For me, I never really fell into the trap of getting into direct confrontation with Hetz. I'd read some of his stuff and just roll my eyes. However, in the last several months he's been so obnoxious with the baiting that coming to the GT forum was becoming less and less enjoyable. I guess his intentions might be debatable, but to me it's clear that his behavior was really dragging the forums down.

Too bad, he's been around for a long time and was an upstanding citizen before he went all wacky on us.
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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2007, 07:06:37 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on April 02, 2007, 06:51:10 PM

The problem with criticizing a guy who just got banned is that he can't defend himself, so it's somewhat tasteless.  Also, it's kind of pointless, because he's already banned.

Then why even leave the thread open? Nobody is being cruel here, I think people should just use this as some closure, then move on.
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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2007, 07:09:36 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on April 02, 2007, 06:56:03 PM

Sorry to see Hetz leave.   His ethusiam  for gaming sure did get me excited.  I see him sign on to Live, so I don't think he is that much a PS3 fanboi.

Anyway, personally I will miss his insight and excitment for new games and hardware, but his trolling of recent had to be handled.


Yes, he plays the 360, and I know he secretly really enjoys it, but all you need to do is read his posts to see that he was extremely biased against it, publicly, and frequently ignored real issues with the PS3, while crapping on the 360 for minor things.
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« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2007, 07:10:47 PM »

Here's the thing. No one gets banned at GT without umpteen warnings and temp bans.  By the time someone gets to this point, there's no reason to gloss over their contributions any longer.

Now the community is supposed to mourn his passing?  Or not be pleased that someone it had to walk on eggshells around (how many 'i'm just kidding hetz' lines were added to otherwise innocuous posts (by myself included) because we didn't want him to misinterpret a joke as a reason to go off?) is no longer causing problems? Please.

I liked Hetz' contributions as much as the next guy, but he was given far too many chances and exploited them all.

Even his banning wasn't permanent until he created an ALT.
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