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« on: January 21, 2007, 08:32:38 AM »

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XBOX360, 720p vs 1080i.  DISCUSS.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 08:43:25 AM »

They are about equal.....I perfer 1080i but they really do look about the same....
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 11:10:01 AM »

On a 42" Panasonic (model TH-42PX60U), I tried playing Gears of War and NBA 2K7 on 480p, 720p, and 1080i.  My thoughts?  720p looked amazing compared to 480p and 1080i.  However one important thing:

On Circuit City's web site it doesnt show TH-42PX60U as supporting 1080i, just 720p.  However, my TV will show a picture when that setting is applied, so I can only assume it's "supported."  1080p does not show a picture at all.  Check out http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-42-Plasma-HDTV-TH-42PX60U/sem/rpsm/oid/146417/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

So even though 1080p is "supported" on XBox360, using it doesn't yield a better picture quality, because the games are designed for a resolution of 720p.  Does that sound about right?  Or are my results due to my TV, and those with better TVs will show better game results?
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 11:52:30 AM »

Okay, so hornysax and I were really curious about this so I popped in my copy of NBA 2k7, played some (and took pics) of 720p and 1080i.

At least for NBA 2k7, there's a sort of displace with the players on the court.  It almost seems too sharp for sharpness' sake.  Compared to how organic the players looked on the court in 720p, in 1080i, they sort of popped out. 

Gonna give it the Gears test tomorrow biggrin
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 12:24:38 PM »

I've played on both and I my tv and didnt notice a huge difference between the two.  I've heard it is better to use the resoultion that is native to your tv.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 01:10:32 PM »

I personally use 720p all the time for the 360.  For the PS3 I use 1080p or 720p wherever appropriate.  For my Wii it's 480p. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 05:11:41 PM »

Quote from: GatorFavre on January 21, 2007, 12:24:38 PM

I've played on both and I my tv and didnt notice a huge difference between the two.  I've heard it is better to use the resoultion that is native to your tv.

Same.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 05:19:05 PM »

I prefer 720 on my tv in the den in the living room the big set 1080.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 05:44:34 PM »

As lame as Major Nelson can usually be, they had a great podcast with Microsoft's HDTV expert discussing the issue a while back that was pretty good.  He basically gave a great explanation as to why certain resolutions are better for certain types of content.

TLDR version: 720p is better for fast moving pictures, i.e. games, sports, etc.   1080i is better for broadcast type of TV, Discovery channel, etc.

Fox and ABC chose 720p due to a focus on sports, while CBS chose 1080i to focus on stuff like CSI etc.

And generally 1080p > * :-)
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2007, 07:22:00 PM »

Quote from: hornysax on January 21, 2007, 11:10:01 AM

On a 42" Panasonic (model TH-42PX60U), I tried playing Gears of War and NBA 2K7 on 480p, 720p, and 1080i.  My thoughts?  720p looked amazing compared to 480p and 1080i.  However one important thing:

On Circuit City's web site it doesnt show TH-42PX60U as supporting 1080i, just 720p.  However, my TV will show a picture when that setting is applied, so I can only assume it's "supported."  1080p does not show a picture at all.  Check out http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-42-Plasma-HDTV-TH-42PX60U/sem/rpsm/oid/146417/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

So even though 1080p is "supported" on XBox360, using it doesn't yield a better picture quality, because the games are designed for a resolution of 720p.  Does that sound about right?  Or are my results due to my TV, and those with better TVs will show better game results?

The TH-42PX60U absolutely 100% supports 1080i, but 720p is its native resolution. I own the TV. It definitely supports 1080i, I made sure when I bought it-for the record I detect no real difference between the two.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2007, 08:09:53 PM »

When a game is played out of resolution, which device upscales/downscales it for your television?  The XBox360 right?  If it was the TV, we would have been playing 1080p long before the patches...  It makes more sense to me if games are programmed with a certain resolution in mind, and upscaling/downscaling via your XBox360 distorts them.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2007, 08:22:22 PM »

Quote from: hornysax on January 21, 2007, 08:09:53 PM

When a game is played out of resolution, which device upscales/downscales it for your television?  The XBox360 right?  If it was the TV, we would have been playing 1080p long before the patches... 

Not quite sure what you'e talking about. Most TVs have scalers and a native resolution.   A 1080p-native TV upscales a 720p image to 1080p to display it, regardless of the patch status of the 360. Almost all 360 games are native 720p. The 1080p patch is only a big deal for people who want to watch upconverted movies.

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Not really. If scaing an image distorted things people wouldn't be clamoring for things like upscaling DVD players. A 720p image will look fine scaled to 1080 and vice versa. Whether one looks better than the other really depends on your TV.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2007, 08:49:20 PM »

i run my 360 at 1080i via component on my Sony 1080p HDTV.  i've decided to go with 1080i because it sets the 360's output closest to the native resolution of my tv, and the 360 has a better quality scaler than the tv...looks phenomenal in every game i've played.  ultimately,  i think the best choice is dependent on several factors that will vary for everyone...native res of the game, res of your tv and it's scaling ability, and your own preference.  people can say all they want in the 720p vs. 1080i argument, but in the end i know i'm incredibly happy with the way 1080i looks on my setup...can't imagine anything better right now icon_cool
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2007, 09:57:34 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on January 21, 2007, 07:22:00 PM

Quote from: hornysax on January 21, 2007, 11:10:01 AM

On a 42" Panasonic (model TH-42PX60U), I tried playing Gears of War and NBA 2K7 on 480p, 720p, and 1080i.  My thoughts?  720p looked amazing compared to 480p and 1080i.  However one important thing:

On Circuit City's web site it doesnt show TH-42PX60U as supporting 1080i, just 720p.  However, my TV will show a picture when that setting is applied, so I can only assume it's "supported."  1080p does not show a picture at all.  Check out http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-42-Plasma-HDTV-TH-42PX60U/sem/rpsm/oid/146417/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

So even though 1080p is "supported" on XBox360, using it doesn't yield a better picture quality, because the games are designed for a resolution of 720p.  Does that sound about right?  Or are my results due to my TV, and those with better TVs will show better game results?

The TH-42PX60U absolutely 100% supports 1080i, but 720p is its native resolution. I own the TV. It definitely supports 1080i, I made sure when I bought it-for the record I detect no real difference between the two.

Same TV here and I've been playing my games and movies at 1080i since I couldn't tell the difference between the two.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2007, 03:18:37 PM »

As far as native resolutions go, I have a CRT HDTV.  Do CRTs have native resolutions, or only LCDs and plasmas?  If so, how do I find mine?  If anyone's interested, I have the Sony 37" XBR.
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 03:37:32 PM »

I play games at 720p and watch DVD's at 1080i.  I didn't notice a difference between 720p or 1080o with 360 games so I figured 'd go with the lower 720p so it would tax the system less (I'm not sure if 1080i taxes the system more though).
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2007, 08:16:24 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on January 23, 2007, 03:37:32 PM

I play games at 720p and watch DVD's at 1080i.  I didn't notice a difference between 720p or 1080o with 360 games so I figured 'd go with the lower 720p so it would tax the system less (I'm not sure if 1080i taxes the system more though).

You have a good upconverting player? I'm considering getting one.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2007, 12:22:36 AM »

Quote from: Calvin on January 23, 2007, 08:16:24 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 23, 2007, 03:37:32 PM

I play games at 720p and watch DVD's at 1080i.  I didn't notice a difference between 720p or 1080o with 360 games so I figured 'd go with the lower 720p so it would tax the system less (I'm not sure if 1080i taxes the system more though).

You have a good upconverting player? I'm considering getting one.

i picked up the Sony DVP-NC85/H when i got my HDTV a couple months ago and it's a fantastic upconverting player.  the picture quality is great (i'm using 1080i via HDMI), it has some other nice features, and the price is pretty good for a quality 5-disc upconverting player.  it lists for $150, but i picked mine up for about $130 at BestBuy...seems to be on sale for about that price pretty much all the time at either BestBuy or Circuit City.  i'm very happy with the player and would recommend it to anyone icon_cool
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2007, 01:52:42 AM »

Quote from: disarm on January 24, 2007, 12:22:36 AM

Quote from: Calvin on January 23, 2007, 08:16:24 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 23, 2007, 03:37:32 PM

I play games at 720p and watch DVD's at 1080i.  I didn't notice a difference between 720p or 1080o with 360 games so I figured 'd go with the lower 720p so it would tax the system less (I'm not sure if 1080i taxes the system more though).

You have a good upconverting player? I'm considering getting one.

i picked up the Sony DVP-NC85/H when i got my HDTV a couple months ago and it's a fantastic upconverting player.  the picture quality is great (i'm using 1080i via HDMI), it has some other nice features, and the price is pretty good for a quality 5-disc upconverting player.  it lists for $150, but i picked mine up for about $130 at BestBuy...seems to be on sale for about that price pretty much all the time at either BestBuy or Circuit City.  i'm very happy with the player and would recommend it to anyone icon_cool

I was going to get that one, but when I saw it in the store I knew that there was no way it would fit in my current entertainment center and I had no real place to put it elsewhere, so I ended up with the Panasonic DVDS52S.  It was cheap enough that I won't mind replacing it with something better down the road.
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2007, 05:31:48 AM »

Quote from: disarm on January 24, 2007, 12:22:36 AM

Quote from: Calvin on January 23, 2007, 08:16:24 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 23, 2007, 03:37:32 PM

I play games at 720p and watch DVD's at 1080i.  I didn't notice a difference between 720p or 1080o with 360 games so I figured 'd go with the lower 720p so it would tax the system less (I'm not sure if 1080i taxes the system more though).

You have a good upconverting player? I'm considering getting one.

i picked up the Sony DVP-NC85/H when i got my HDTV a couple months ago and it's a fantastic upconverting player.  the picture quality is great (i'm using 1080i via HDMI), it has some other nice features, and the price is pretty good for a quality 5-disc upconverting player.  it lists for $150, but i picked mine up for about $130 at BestBuy...seems to be on sale for about that price pretty much all the time at either BestBuy or Circuit City.  i'm very happy with the player and would recommend it to anyone icon_cool

Ok stupid question Disarm/others-does the 360 HD-DVD or the PS3 blu-ray player also serve as an upconverter?
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2007, 01:58:54 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on January 24, 2007, 05:31:48 AM

Ok stupid question Disarm/others-does the 360 HD-DVD or the PS3 blu-ray player also serve as an upconverter?

360:  Yes, if (and only if) you use it with VGA.  Component hookups needed not apply. 

PS3:  Pretty sure it does not upconvert, though maybe they can patch it in later. 
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2007, 03:33:13 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 24, 2007, 01:58:54 PM

Quote from: Calvin on January 24, 2007, 05:31:48 AM

Ok stupid question Disarm/others-does the 360 HD-DVD or the PS3 blu-ray player also serve as an upconverter?

360:  Yes, if (and only if) you use it with VGA.  Component hookups needed not apply. 

PS3:  Pretty sure it does not upconvert, though maybe they can patch it in later. 

That is pretty limiting as I only have VGA output on my monitor...shucks. Well, I have been looking for a standalone dvd player to replace my PS2 (as I dont want to break it watching dvds as I did the first time). Ok, question Kevin. Can you please recommend, if such a thing exists, an upconverting DVD player sub 100$? Thanks man.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2007, 03:37:46 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on January 24, 2007, 03:33:13 PM

Can you please recommend, if such a thing exists, an upconverting DVD player sub 100$? Thanks man.

Sub $100?  Maybe someone else can help but I had one that I think cost about $90, a Toshiba I believe, and it was awful.  I ended up going for a $200 Oppo and have been much happier.  Oppo also makes an excellent $150 player as well.  I believe the Sony 5 disc changer many people here recommend is about $130-150 too. 
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2007, 03:45:23 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 24, 2007, 03:37:46 PM

Quote from: Calvin on January 24, 2007, 03:33:13 PM

Can you please recommend, if such a thing exists, an upconverting DVD player sub 100$? Thanks man.

Sub $100?  Maybe someone else can help but I had one that I think cost about $90, a Toshiba I believe, and it was awful.  I ended up going for a $200 Oppo and have been much happier.  Oppo also makes an excellent $150 player as well.  I believe the Sony 5 disc changer many people here recommend is about $130-150 too. 

I'm happy with the one I linked to earlier.  I got it at Radio Shack for $90.  My only complaint is it doesn't display the disc play time on the LCD display- you have to hit the function button and it brings it up on the screen, but that's no biggie (for me at least)
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2007, 03:48:17 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on January 24, 2007, 03:33:13 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 24, 2007, 01:58:54 PM

Quote from: Calvin on January 24, 2007, 05:31:48 AM

Ok stupid question Disarm/others-does the 360 HD-DVD or the PS3 blu-ray player also serve as an upconverter?

360:  Yes, if (and only if) you use it with VGA.  Component hookups needed not apply. 

PS3:  Pretty sure it does not upconvert, though maybe they can patch it in later. 

That is pretty limiting as I only have VGA output on my monitor...shucks. Well, I have been looking for a standalone dvd player to replace my PS2 (as I dont want to break it watching dvds as I did the first time). Ok, question Kevin. Can you please recommend, if such a thing exists, an upconverting DVD player sub 100$? Thanks man.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7726856&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03013&id=1140391964136

My boss owns that one and he is very pleased with it.

Samsung makes a decent one also, but I have heard some complaints about the picture being excessively grainy with it.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7678694&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03013&id=1134702980301
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2007, 04:35:30 PM »

Thank you CK, Kev, and J smile I will check these recommendations out.
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