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« Reply #80 on: June 15, 2010, 02:35:26 PM »

Quote from: Chaz on June 15, 2010, 02:26:39 PM

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It's 150 for the standalone, and 400 for the new console+kinect. Comes with a wireless controller, 250GB HDD, wireless N built in, plus as a preorder bonus, you get a bottle of Meguires and a Chamois.

This hasn't been confirmed anywhere by MS.  Gamestop has a price point up, but it's extremely common for them to put just-announced titles and hardware up on their site with a tentative release date and/or price so that they can start taking pre-orders.  You can usually look at the price Gamestop posts as the far upper end of pricing, but it shouldn't be considered any kind of confirmation.

you mean there might not be a bottle of Meguires and a Chamois?
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« Reply #81 on: June 15, 2010, 02:39:06 PM »

Those are DLC.
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« Reply #82 on: June 15, 2010, 02:40:17 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on June 15, 2010, 12:56:38 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 15, 2010, 12:26:10 PM

I have no problem with this being geared primarily toward that, but I really was expecting to see many more games (and way more third party support).

From what I've read so far, 3rd parties are waiting to see how well this catches on before really committing to the platform. This will either be a good idea (Kinetc bombs) or a bad one (see: Wii launch, when developers got caught with their pants down).

I could have sworn MS was doing a lot of horn-tooting about how many 3rd party companies were getting behind Natal. 
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« Reply #83 on: June 15, 2010, 02:43:15 PM »

I'm trying not to imagine a Kinect enabled MMA or wrestling game where you are on the ground against the other player literally physically engaging them as you both are trying to concentrate on what you see on-screen  icon_razz
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« Reply #84 on: June 15, 2010, 02:44:13 PM »

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I'm trying not to imagine a Kinect enabled MMA or wrestling game where you are on the ground against the other player literally physically engaging them as you both are trying to concentrate on what you see on-screen  icon_razz

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« Reply #85 on: June 15, 2010, 02:50:39 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on June 15, 2010, 02:44:13 PM

Quote from: spigot on June 15, 2010, 02:43:15 PM

I'm trying not to imagine a Kinect enabled MMA or wrestling game where you are on the ground against the other player literally physically engaging them as you both are trying to concentrate on what you see on-screen  icon_razz

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There's going to be a goldmine of yoga and pilates Kinect games for sure.
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« Reply #86 on: June 15, 2010, 03:02:10 PM »

Quote from: marcusjm on June 15, 2010, 12:01:08 AM

Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it.... 

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« Reply #87 on: June 15, 2010, 03:49:59 PM »

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Quote from: marcusjm on June 15, 2010, 12:01:08 AM

Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it.... 

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« Reply #88 on: June 15, 2010, 03:50:48 PM »

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Quote from: marcusjm on June 15, 2010, 12:01:08 AM

Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it.... 

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« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2010, 03:52:39 PM »

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Quote from: marcusjm on June 15, 2010, 12:01:08 AM

Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it.... 

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« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2010, 03:55:34 PM »

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Quote from: marcusjm on June 15, 2010, 12:01:08 AM

Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it.... 

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« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2010, 03:58:48 PM »

Between 3D and Kinect/Move, we'll all be interpretive dancing and flailing our arms in wanton disregard wearing ugly glasses as our hobby implodes all around us.
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« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2010, 03:59:15 PM »

Quote from: Chaz on June 15, 2010, 02:26:39 PM

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It's 150 for the standalone, and 400 for the new console+kinect. Comes with a wireless controller, 250GB HDD, wireless N built in, plus as a preorder bonus, you get a bottle of Meguires and a Chamois.

This hasn't been confirmed anywhere by MS.  Gamestop has a price point up, but it's extremely common for them to put just-announced titles and hardware up on their site with a tentative release date and/or price so that they can start taking pre-orders.  You can usually look at the price Gamestop posts as the far upper end of pricing, but it shouldn't be considered any kind of confirmation.

The new console is 299USD. It's not a far stretch to see the peripheral at the price listed above - but you are right, Gamestop did put up a disclaimer. I wouldn't be surprised if MS is polling GS for preorder stats. Tongue

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« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2010, 05:27:05 PM »

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maybe MS will be smart, see all this possible misinformation about the price going around and actually give us the price.

doubt it.  they seem to want to save the price/launch announcement for their own conference. 
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« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2010, 06:52:48 PM »

One feature I really like about Kinect that people haven't focused too much on is the ability to drop in and out of a multiplayer session.

I like how a solo person is playing, a second person walks up, and Kinect recognizes a second person, puts the game into split screen, and starts monitoring their movements as well.
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« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2010, 06:53:49 PM »

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maybe MS will be smart, see all this possible misinformation about the price going around and actually give us the price.

doubt it.  they seem to want to save the price/launch announcement for their own conference. 

Which conference is that?

It's already been announced that Kinect is launching November 4th.  They just haven't announced the price.
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« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2010, 07:01:31 PM »

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maybe MS will be smart, see all this possible misinformation about the price going around and actually give us the price.

doubt it.  they seem to want to save the price/launch announcement for their own conference. 

Which conference is that?

It's already been announced that Kinect is launching November 4th.  They just haven't announced the price.

nothing specific, but it seems they all like to announce stuff at e3 then bring out the big news for their own.  are they not doing a MS only event?  speculation on my part based on not getting a price yesterday.
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« Reply #97 on: June 15, 2010, 10:19:09 PM »

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« Reply #98 on: June 15, 2010, 11:21:05 PM »

That is in fact Kasson formerly of Freezepop.  He is from the future.  However, he left Freezepop last summer.  It was sad.  But he does have a cool thing going right now called Symbion Prjoect.

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« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2010, 04:29:24 AM »

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Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it.... 

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« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2010, 12:43:35 PM »

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Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it.... 

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A) He likes talking about masturbating. Perhaps he needs a support group.
B) Nintendogs. Why bother attacking Kinectimals? At least you're "interacting" with them without a stylus.
C) Does he know how much it costs to feed a real tiger? Oh, and you think your housecat hogs the bed...
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« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2010, 01:16:58 PM »

Last years E3 had me somewhat excited about Natal.  This year's event made me feel the Kinect is something I really don't need or want.  From what I'm reading about the PS3 Move, it sounds like Sony has done a better job.  Which is too bad for me as I don't own a PS3 (and likely won't get one).  It's nice that MS is trying something kind of new (an upgraded eyetoy).  However, MS really needed to push for something aimed at the 360 core audience.  They are rightfully getting made fun of for pushing old Wii games as Kinect sellers.  Kinectimals might be good if it really is a game and not an over-priced tech demo.  I have to say, I'm kind of bummed out now.
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« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2010, 01:27:36 PM »

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Last years E3 had me somewhat excited about Natal.  This year's event made me feel the Kinect is something I really don't need or want.  From what I'm reading about the PS3 Move, it sounds like Sony has done a better job.  Which is too bad for me as I don't own a PS3 (and likely won't get one).  It's nice that MS is trying something kind of new (an upgraded eyetoy).  However, MS really needed to push for something aimed at the 360 core audience.  They are rightfully getting made fun of for pushing old Wii games as Kinect sellers.  Kinectimals might be good if it really is a game and not an over-priced tech demo.  I have to say, I'm kind of bummed out now.

I went through the same thing: Excited about Natal last year, extremely disappointed with Kinect this year.  There was so much promise to the thing, and they essentially blew it.
I'm actually growing angry about it as the days have passed since their conference.

Here was an interesting article talking about how Microsoft has basically lost touch with reality.
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« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2010, 01:51:59 PM »

Those grinning tigers are freaking me out. I can imagine children getting frightened by them.
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« Reply #105 on: June 16, 2010, 01:53:51 PM »

I agree with a lot of points in that article. I don't know if I can accuse them of losing touch with reality, but they are definitely grasping at any straw and lighting up every angle of how to sell this to both a hardcore established user base in addition to enticing the more casual and mainstream Nintendo crowd. I don't know that they will succeed in both unless there's some pretty killer must-have games. For me, it's hard to see this as anything other than a pricey gimmick, at least for now. Time will tell, but this won't be in my living anywhere in the near future.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, if this 3D and motion controlled nonsense is the future of console gaming, I'll start crying now lamenting the "good old days" when we didn't mumble voice commands and flail around in our living rooms like epileptic crazy people.
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« Reply #106 on: June 16, 2010, 01:54:00 PM »

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Well, if this is the direction console gaming is taking, then I might just be heading back for PC after all. Maybe this will be the future division between hardcore gamers and casual gamers?

Yeah, because they won't make core games for the 360 ever again now that they're going to have casual gaming on it....  

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« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2010, 01:55:20 PM »

Quote from: spigot on June 16, 2010, 01:53:51 PM

I agree with a lot of points in that article. I don't know if I can accuse them of losing touch with reality, but they are definitely grasping at any straw and lighting up every angle of how to sell this to both a hardcore established user base in addition to enticing the more casual and mainstream Nintendo crowd. I don't know that they will succeed in both unless there's some pretty killer must-have games. For me, it's hard to see this as anything other than a pricey gimmick, at least for now. Time will tell, but this won't be in my living anywhere in the near future.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, if this 3D and motion controlled nonsense is the future of console gaming, I'll start crying now lamenting the "good old days" when we didn't flail around in our living rooms like epileptic crazy people.

I had no problems with them going for every angle and trying to hit their user base as well, and E3 was their chance to do it, but it didn't happen.
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« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2010, 02:50:55 PM »

Last year, Natal looked exciting. Now that they've changed the name and spend another year refining it, it looks like total ass. As linked a few posts back, yet another article explaining just what's wrong with it.

Microsoft totally bombed at E3. If I wanted to do the 'real life' things that Kinetc does, I'll just go into REAL LIFE and do it.

I play games to relax and get away from the real world, not to replicate the real world in my gaming.
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« Reply #109 on: June 16, 2010, 02:55:47 PM »

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Microsoft totally bombed at E3. If I wanted to do the 'real life' things that Kinetc does, I'll just go into REAL LIFE and do it.

yeah!  if I wanted to whip out my lightsaber and fight Darth Vader I'd just give him a ring and we could go down to the park!  he could bring his fried chicken pot pie.

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« Reply #110 on: June 16, 2010, 03:16:05 PM »

I was listening to one of the morning radio shows, and they were going to interview a 'Microsoft Brand Ambassador' about Kinect.  They got her on the phone, and immediately she jumped into her scripted response about how Kinect let's you be the controller.  I mean, right after the host just introduced her.  So, he asks her about how her kids must think she has the coolest job in the world, she answers and then the co-host asks a question about what she thought the best game for it is, or something like that.  The MS chick plows through her answer and then says, "Sorry, that's all the time I have.  I gotta go" and hung up.

The host was pissed.  He mentioned that they had more time with Tom Cruise when they interviewed him.  Their producer chimed in saying that they were supposed to have 2 more minutes with her.

This is just bad PR, IMO. 
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« Reply #111 on: June 16, 2010, 03:16:32 PM »

I'm curious as to see where Fable III's Kinect support is. I'd also like to see MS add a patch that allows you to use Kinect controls to replace controls for games you already own.

But by far the biggest thing is adding Black & White 3 and Viva Pinata 2 to the roster of games that are supported by Natal.

And they should have a "Human Tetris" game maintenant.
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« Reply #112 on: June 16, 2010, 03:18:16 PM »

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Microsoft totally bombed at E3. If I wanted to do the 'real life' things that Kinetc does, I'll just go into REAL LIFE and do it.

yeah!  if I wanted to whip out my lightsaber and fight Darth Vader I'd just give him a ring and we could go down to the park!  he could bring his fried chicken pot pie.

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« Reply #113 on: June 16, 2010, 03:26:20 PM »

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Microsoft totally bombed at E3. If I wanted to do the 'real life' things that Kinetc does, I'll just go into REAL LIFE and do it.

yeah!  if I wanted to whip out my lightsaber and fight Darth Vader I'd just give him a ring and we could go down to the park!  he could bring his fried chicken pot pie.

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I thought the lightsaber combat references were funny back when the Wii was new, and I think they're funny now. I simply can't see any way in which lightsaber combat can be done with this kind of technology without making the whole thing seem completely stupid. Few of us can fence in the first place, and the Star Wars battles have always been really fast-paced (perhaps with the exception of the battle between Vader and Obi-Wan in Episode 4). Being able to wave a lightsaber around is one thing. Being able to actually fight with it is another. I simply don't think it can be done in a satisfying way.


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We should all learn from him.
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« Reply #114 on: June 16, 2010, 05:09:49 PM »

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Microsoft totally bombed at E3. If I wanted to do the 'real life' things that Kinetc does, I'll just go into REAL LIFE and do it.

yeah!  if I wanted to whip out my lightsaber and fight Darth Vader I'd just give him a ring and we could go down to the park!  he could bring his fried chicken pot pie.

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I thought the lightsaber combat references were funny back when the Wii was new, and I think they're funny now. I simply can't see any way in which lightsaber combat can be done with this kind of technology without making the whole thing seem completely stupid. Few of us can fence in the first place, and the Star Wars battles have always been really fast-paced (perhaps with the exception of the battle between Vader and Obi-Wan in Episode 4). Being able to wave a lightsaber around is one thing. Being able to actually fight with it is another. I simply don't think it can be done in a satisfying way.


None of these games are meant to be a lightsaber simulator, though.  They are meant to be a fun experience that makes you feel like you're weilding a lightsaber.  That should not be as hard to do.
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« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2010, 05:15:01 PM »

I think Tom Chick said it best on his blog.
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« Reply #116 on: June 16, 2010, 05:17:32 PM »

MS can now get devs to sell props instead of electronic devices to play their games.

CE editions with Lightsaber handles, etc.

Perhaps the holographic market will pick up, and then they'll figure out how to build "hard light" devices. Tongue
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« Reply #117 on: June 16, 2010, 05:18:18 PM »

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I think Tom Chick said it best on his blog.
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Finally, all you people who've been going on about getting a Star Wars lightsaber game will finally get your wish with Project Kinnect Star Wars, or whatever it's going to be called. I hope you're happy. Because you're going to get exactly what you deserve.

That makes me hope that it kicks all kinds of ass... including a Chicks ass.
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« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2010, 05:35:49 PM »

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That makes me hope that it kicks all kinds of ass...

Yeah.  Good luck with that.
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« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2010, 05:36:13 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2010, 05:09:49 PM

Quote from: TiLT on June 16, 2010, 03:18:16 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 16, 2010, 02:55:47 PM

Quote from: Destructor on June 16, 2010, 02:50:55 PM

Microsoft totally bombed at E3. If I wanted to do the 'real life' things that Kinetc does, I'll just go into REAL LIFE and do it.

yeah!  if I wanted to whip out my lightsaber and fight Darth Vader I'd just give him a ring and we could go down to the park!  he could bring his fried chicken pot pie.

 Tongue

I thought the lightsaber combat references were funny back when the Wii was new, and I think they're funny now. I simply can't see any way in which lightsaber combat can be done with this kind of technology without making the whole thing seem completely stupid. Few of us can fence in the first place, and the Star Wars battles have always been really fast-paced (perhaps with the exception of the battle between Vader and Obi-Wan in Episode 4). Being able to wave a lightsaber around is one thing. Being able to actually fight with it is another. I simply don't think it can be done in a satisfying way.


None of these games are meant to be a lightsaber simulator, though.  They are meant to be a fun experience that makes you feel like you're weilding a lightsaber.  That should not be as hard to do.

Doesn't matter. There's no way they can even evoke the feeling of wielding a lightsaber with this tech. You'll just end up looking clumsy while you try to translate your movements to your avatar, and you'll get confused when your avatar's weapon meets resistance which you don't, leading to you being out of sync.

It's never going to work like you imagine in your dreams. This is the big failing of these control systems. Everyone seems to want a swordfighting game, but the fact that we still haven't seen anything halfway decent on that front should be a big hint in itself. The Kinetic doesn't do anything with swords that the Wii couldn't do, so I don't see why you're expecting things to change now.

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