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« on: March 08, 2005, 10:54:52 PM »

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A lot of it is information in there was already widely known/speculated, but there were a couple of things in there I hadn't heard before.... like the inclusion of a camera?!?

Another thing to consider - as awesome and all powerful as this sounds, there have been rumblings (including in this month's EGM) that the PS3 is actually going to weigh in as being much more powerful than the Xbox 2/Next/360/Whatever....

I fear that I'll be purchasing all three systems yet again frown
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2005, 11:46:19 PM »

yup, me two, or three, or...

i have every Nintendo system because of Zelda, and it looks like i'll end up with both XBox systems because of Morrowind/ Oblivion, and then the PS3 might come out and be too impressive to ignore.  well, i haven't run out of televisions or system selectors yet, i guess i can always try!

we'll see what kind of choices we end up with when they're done with their "focus tending" (sheesh).  i know what i want to start with:  one new XB, whatever it's name is;  one Elder Scrolls Oblivion;  a hard drive;  plus a wireless Logitech and a comfy chair.  i'll do all my research, but right now i'm not interested in a camera or Windows, but we'll see what they offer, and how they price it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2005, 12:36:45 AM »

IN!!
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2005, 12:41:46 AM »

Reading those specs after hearing that the PS3 is even more powerful...  I'm speechless.  I can't even imagine what the future holds, at least in the eye candy department.  No doubt I'll be owning both.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2005, 12:54:09 AM »

For what it's worth, an IBM rep gave us a tech debriefing on the cell architecture (actually a variant of it) to us a few months ago for a non-game related project.  All I could think was holy crap, I can't wait to see this in a console.... I can easily see where the assertion that the PS3 would be 'way more powerful' could be true.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2005, 02:25:22 AM »

I want one. Still curious to see how the optional HD is going to work with the various games.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2005, 02:27:50 AM »

Wow

I'm all over this when it comes out this Christmas!
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2005, 06:31:32 AM »

The rumors I've seen of the "PS3 being way more powerful" come from assuming it would use the cell chip version used as an example when they introduced it awhile ago. There's no proof that the PS3 would use that version as they would have several obsticles to show they could overcome to use that version(cost, power consumption, heat issues etc). I'd bet the cell in the PS3 will be a scaled down of what was shown. Still very powerful but not the mind blowing power poeple are going gagga about.


Remember the hype of the PS2 and its "emotion engine" chip.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2005, 12:13:51 PM »

I'm still taking this with a huge grain of salt, even if its Gamespy.
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2005, 02:15:33 PM »

While this sounds great, it's still all about the games, and for my money, and the games I personally like, they are mostly on Sony's stuff.

I just replaced my broken PS2 and gave the kids the xbox, because all the games I am interested in are on the PS2. I am willing to overlook the weaker graphics to have fun. Of course, if you like the Xbox game selection, you'll love this. Just my two cents.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2005, 02:28:06 PM »

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Microsoft is requiring developers to make all Xenon titles Live enabled. One of the key reasons for this will be revealed in the second part of this story.

Developers are being instructed to plan their games for high-definition. The baseline is 720p at 1280x720 for gameplay and video clips, 16:9 aspect ratio, 5.1 Surround Sound, and anti-aliasing. These features are the current minimum requirement.


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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2005, 07:46:24 PM »

Any word if it will be backward compatible with Xbox games?
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2005, 07:54:07 PM »

Standard DVD only?  I would've picked up an Xbox2 day one if it supported HD-DVD (and if there was a library of movies to draw on). From a features standpoint, Sony's inclusion of Blu-Ray makes the PS3 look a lot more attractive to me.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2005, 07:59:15 PM »

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Standard DVD only?  I would've picked up an Xbox2 day one if it supported HD-DVD (and if there was a library of movies to draw on). From a features standpoint, Sony's inclusion of Blu-Ray makes the PS3 look a lot more attractive to me.


Yeah, that's an interesting decision on MS's part.  The PS2's DVD capabilities was widely seen as an early asset (particularly in Japan) and Bluray support over the competitors could definitely be a really nice bullet point for the PS3.  

I'm also interested in seeing how big next-gen games are going to be in terms of storage space.  DVD seems to still offer plenty of room but we've already had a few dual-layer releases this generation and I wouldn't be surprised to see the increase in number and detail of the textures to really start pushing the current 9 GB barrier for a single DVD release next gen.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2005, 08:40:30 PM »

http://www.majornelson.com/wp/index.php

Microsoft just gave away 1000 HDTVs to the keynote audience at the GDC.

Guess they're really pushing HiDef for the Xbox 2 after all...
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2005, 05:25:37 AM »

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Standard DVD only?  I would've picked up an Xbox2 day one if it supported HD-DVD (and if there was a library of movies to draw on). From a features standpoint, Sony's inclusion of Blu-Ray makes the PS3 look a lot more attractive to me.


Yeah, that's an interesting decision on MS's part.  The PS2's DVD capabilities was widely seen as an early asset (particularly in Japan) and Bluray support over the competitors could definitely be a really nice bullet point for the PS3.

I don't think that Blu-ray will be seen as an asset to the PS3.  In fact, they could be just as much a detriment to the system as benefit.  First there will be the cost of the drives.  Then there will be the cost of the duplication of the Blu-ray discs.  Finally, there hasn't been a determined standard for hi-def DVD's.  In fact, a third standard, HVD, was announced not all that long ago.  If the industry doesn't move towards Blu-ray and goes with another standard, you will probably find the only DVD's in Blu-ray format coming from Sony.

I think that MS is doing the smart thing.  Duplication of these are less expensive, and companies have the ability to duplicate them already.
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2005, 06:10:57 AM »

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If the industry doesn't move towards Blu-ray and goes with another standard, you will probably find the only DVD's in Blu-ray format coming from Sony.

Lines have already been drawn for many companies.  Here's the list for each format as it stands today:

HD-DVD Supporting Studios - Warner Bros., New Line, Paramount, Universal, HBO

Likely HD-DVD Supporters - DreamWorks (because of its ties to Universal)

Blu-ray Disc Supporting Studios - Columbia TriStar/Sony Pictures (including MGM, which Sony bought...they now control a huge percentage of all movies), Buena Vista (Walt Disney, Hollywood, Touchstone, Miramax and Dimension)

Officially Undecided - 20th Century Fox, Lions Gate, Image, Anchor Bay, Criterion and many smaller distributors

It is likely Fox will go Blu-Ray since they have a seat on the Blu-Ray board, but they have not officially chosen a side.

- Thanks goes to the Digital Bits who I remembered had this a while ago and I had to look it up.
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2005, 06:56:02 AM »

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Standard DVD only?  I would've picked up an Xbox2 day one if it supported HD-DVD (and if there was a library of movies to draw on). From a features standpoint, Sony's inclusion of Blu-Ray makes the PS3 look a lot more attractive to me.


Yeah, that's an interesting decision on MS's part.  The PS2's DVD capabilities was widely seen as an early asset (particularly in Japan) and Bluray support over the competitors could definitely be a really nice bullet point for the PS3.

I don't think that Blu-ray will be seen as an asset to the PS3.  In fact, they could be just as much a detriment to the system as benefit.  First there will be the cost of the drives.  Then there will be the cost of the duplication of the Blu-ray discs.  Finally, there hasn't been a determined standard for hi-def DVD's.  In fact, a third standard, HVD, was announced not all that long ago.  If the industry doesn't move towards Blu-ray and goes with another standard, you will probably find the only DVD's in Blu-ray format coming from Sony.

I think that MS is doing the smart thing.  Duplication of these are less expensive, and companies have the ability to duplicate them already.


I could be wrong, but the way it was explained to me suggests Sony's system will be the best designed to deal with all eventualities on the DVD issue.  Why?  Because Sony has stated the system will be backwards compatible to PS2 games, most of which are on the DVD format.  So, they will be able to play Blu-ray as well as standard DVD's.  If it plays regular DVD's (so I was told) it will also be able to handle HD-DVD.  I could be wrong, but if that's true, Sony would be covered no matter what happens while MS would be damaged if Blu-ray wins out.
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2005, 06:56:16 AM »

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I don't think that Blu-ray will be seen as an asset to the PS3. In fact, they could be just as much a detriment to the system as benefit.


I don't see how it could be detrimental- it may cost more to manufacture but the price of the PS3 will be primarily driven by market factors (and in this case the Xbox 2 pricepoint in particular).  Sony will have no choice but to price the PS3 competively and as they've shown with their aggressive price of the PSP, they are willing to take a loss on hardware for market share.

Increased duplication costs- again the MSRP will be driven by the marketplace.  While there is talk of increased game prices next gen (see the other thread) Bluray won't drive that.  Again, Sony is not going to suggest an MSRP that's higher than Xbox 2 games.  In fact, Sony is very aggressive in this area already by being the only major publisher to set a $39.99 price point for most of their first party titles.  

As to the format war- its unfortunate that will happen and there is no doubt that it is seriously going to slow the adoption of a High Definition DVD standard by the masses whether its Bluray or HD-DVD.  However, by going with Bluray in PS3 that could be a pretty severe hit against HD-DVD.  If PS3 sees near the same level of adoption as the PS2, then Bluray will probably be in more homes than HD-DVD by greater than an order of magnitude which will go a long way toward consumer acceptance.

How does the consumer lose here?  At worst, regardless of movie playback capabilities, its offering a media with more storage than the competition.  It also allows many people with high definition sets an essentially free High Definition DVD playback device (assuming the games are the primary motivating factor for purchase) while competing Bluray and HD-DVD players will likely be several hundred dollars or more.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2005, 01:10:36 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong, but I was told that app. 85% of PS2 games are actually on CD (or would fit onto CD format) not DVD.
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2005, 01:15:55 PM »

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85% of PS2 games are actually on CD

I'd say that estimate is high.  In the early life of the PS2 that might have been accurate but a good chunk of them, if not closer to the 85%, use DVD format because of the size.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2005, 07:09:16 PM »

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85% of PS2 games are actually on CD

I'd say that estimate is high.  In the early life of the PS2 that might have been accurate but a good chunk of them, if not closer to the 85%, use DVD format because of the size.


Yeah, that estimate is way high.  Probably closer to 85% of games (if not higher) are on DVD.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2005, 07:59:49 PM »

The stuff that microsoft has planned for Live! is looking really incredible. I can`t wait till they spill some more beans!!!
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