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« on: June 01, 2006, 11:29:40 AM »

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/

There are some awesome upgrades in Vista!  Color me shocked.  I saw a preview at E3 but was more focused on the gaming side.  This looks like it might be worth the bloat...scary.  I need to go have my head checked.

What about you guys?  Vista? Yay? Nay?
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2006, 12:05:12 PM »

I am unsure at this point.  My system is a bit on the old side and not sure I will have the money to buy/build a new one any time soon.  I would like to upgrade to Vista, but only time will tell.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2006, 01:48:09 PM »

I'm thinkin' it'll be awhile.  I got XP running on my MacBook Pro this weekend, and it's working quite well for me as a gaming platform (the sole reason I went the BootCamp route in the first place).  Until games I want start requiring Vista, I'm set.

And let me tell you, the first time you see the XP loading screen and hear the Windows startup noise coming out of a Mac... it's downright disturbing.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2006, 02:09:05 PM »

Just out of curiousity, how do right-click with XP running on a Mac?

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 02:19:50 PM »

It will be a necessity for the hard core PC Gamer as DirectX 10 will not be available on XP.

That said I will probably wait almost a year before upgrading to it. That should be around the time games start really using the new API.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2006, 02:39:04 PM »

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It will be a necessity for the hard core PC Gamer as DirectX 10 will not be available on XP.

That said I will probably wait almost a year before upgrading to it. That should be around the time games start really using the new API.


Not to mention the normal "wait 18 months from when MS releases a product to when they start fixing the bugs" window that goes with every MS OS release. slywink
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 03:17:27 PM »

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It will be a necessity for the hard core PC Gamer as DirectX 10 will not be available on XP.

That said I will probably wait almost a year before upgrading to it. That should be around the time games start really using the new API.

Not to mention the normal "wait 18 months from when MS releases a product to when they start fixing the bugs" window that goes with every MS OS release. slywink

Agreed on both counts. Unless something comes out that's absolutely necessary for my gaming life to continue at launch, I'll be holding off on Vista for a while. I just don't see the reason for it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 03:53:31 PM »

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Just out of curiousity, how do right-click with XP running on a Mac?

CTRL+Click or SHIFT+CTRL+Click, etc.  Or just plug in a two button mouse
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 04:37:45 PM »

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Just out of curiousity, how do right-click with XP running on a Mac?

I'm sure there's a key command that'll let you do it, but when I'm gaming or doing graphic design I tend to have a mouse plugged in.  All the USB mice I have are two-button mice designed for Windows, so it's never been an issue.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2006, 05:04:04 PM »

I'm torn...on one hand, I don't want to bother upgrading to Vista...but I just built a 64  bit system, and want to put it to good use.  *sigh*
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2006, 06:34:21 PM »

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I'm torn...on one hand, I don't want to bother upgrading to Vista...but I just built a 64  bit system, and want to put it to good use.  *sigh*


Wait for the next OS, Blackcomb, to see the majority of advantages for that. Especially considering they moved the new file system WinFS back from Vista to the new OS.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2006, 07:05:19 PM »

A very cool look at the new OS. Lots of little changes for us XP users, but they seem to be mostly good things.

Still have no intention of getting it at launch.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2006, 08:07:32 PM »

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Agreed on both counts. Unless something comes out that's absolutely necessary for my gaming life to continue at launch, I'll be holding off on Vista for a while. I just don't see the reason for it.


From what I understand, MS is going to try and make Vista absolutely necessary for gamers as quickly as they can.  By taking a "retail advocate" position for PC gaming, they will likely be able to very quickly push developers into "Vista only" or "Vista enhanced" territory.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2006, 08:08:41 PM »

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Agreed on both counts. Unless something comes out that's absolutely necessary for my gaming life to continue at launch, I'll be holding off on Vista for a while. I just don't see the reason for it.


From what I understand, MS is going to try and make Vista absolutely necessary for gamers as quickly as they can.  By taking a "retail advocate" position for PC gaming, they will likely be able to very quickly push developers into "Vista only" or "Vista enhanced" territory.


This sounds familiar...oh yes, we heard it not long after Windows 95 came out.  MS paid a lot of publishing houses to make Win95 games rather than DOS based ones.
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2006, 10:58:05 PM »

Anyone know if current PC games are all compatible with Vista?
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2006, 01:12:03 AM »

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Anyone know if current PC games are all compatible with Vista?


Heh....funny you ask.  The only games that I've read about that do not work with XP use Starforce.  The protection protects it from working....kinda like it does now. slywink
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2006, 01:18:43 AM »

So are you implying that pubs may not have been dropping Starforce because of user complaint, but instead due to a ramp of publicity and MS wanting to get titles onto Vista?

*thinks about it*  Argh..the timing is just so wrong all of a sudden for these little bits of news.  ITS A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY TO KEEP RUSSIA FROM MAKING MORE TETRIS TITLES!!!!!

*pant* *pant*
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2006, 09:31:51 AM »

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So are you implying that pubs may not have been dropping Starforce because of user complaint, but instead due to a ramp of publicity and MS wanting to get titles onto Vista?


Hmm interesting question indead.  :shock:



I would not mind installing it to see how it works.  Reading on it helps a little but playing with it, well is alot more fun  :lol:
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2006, 09:59:26 AM »

I'm reading a few other articles and they are stating that it isn't such a pig as some folks are making it out to be.  As Slipblade put it though, seeing it for myself is the only way to truly answer that question.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2006, 03:48:53 PM »

After reading that whole article it seems like Vista is pointless for gamers - except for DirectX 10.  

The changes

Windows interface changes...which oddly are just things MACs have been able to do for a long time.

IP6 - great and nice but until all the routers, switches, etc. in the world support IP6 this will be unused.  

New games.  Big whoop.  (although I am addicted to Freecell)

More interface improvments concerning actually telling you what the heck is going on with windows.  Tha is nice but that isn't really a big enough change to buy an OS.

Generally I think Vista is a lot of pretty stuff which means nothing really.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2006, 07:09:55 PM »

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So are you implying that pubs may not have been dropping Starforce because of user complaint, but instead due to a ramp of publicity and MS wanting to get titles onto Vista?

*thinks about it*  Argh..the timing is just so wrong all of a sudden for these little bits of news.  ITS A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY TO KEEP RUSSIA FROM MAKING MORE TETRIS TITLES!!!!!

*pant* *pant*


KD, time to up his meds.. he's making sense again.
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So are you implying that pubs may not have been dropping Starforce because of user complaint, but instead due to a ramp of publicity and MS wanting to get titles onto Vista?

*thinks about it*  Argh..the timing is just so wrong all of a sudden for these little bits of news.  ITS A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY TO KEEP RUSSIA FROM MAKING MORE TETRIS TITLES!!!!!

*pant* *pant*


KD, time to up his meds.. he's making sense again.


It's true...MS has seen the apocalypse...and it consists of square blocks falling upon us!!!

Thanks Purge...you just made my day.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2006, 09:23:00 PM »

IP6 - great and nice but until all the routers, switches, etc. in the world support IP6 this will be unused.

They pretty much already do and so does WinXP
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2006, 10:36:25 PM »

Well I "found" a copy of the latest Beta 2 and installed on my main pc (a second hard drive) and what I discovered so far is...


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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2006, 11:53:27 PM »

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It's true...MS has seen the apocalypse...and it consists of square blocks falling upon us!!!

Great. Now I'll be huming the old GB Tetris theme song in my head the rest of the night. biggrin
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2006, 12:03:32 AM »

I just got Windows 2005 Media Center, and it's freaking awesome.  Just by including that into Vista, they are adding a huge amount of value.

I was really interested in seeing what they could do with WinFS, but I heard the show-stopper issues were using it over a network.  And, since MS is mainly focused on the business market... MS knows who butters their bread.

I think Vista is going to be the most significant event in operating systems since Windows 95.  I've always thought it was amusing (and extremely geeky) to be looking forward to an operating system, but just the same... I'm looking forward to Vista.
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2006, 12:06:43 AM »

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IP6 - great and nice but until all the routers, switches, etc. in the world support IP6 this will be unused.

They pretty much already do and so does WinXP


I believe IP6 is a separate protocol stack at the moment.

IP6 is backward compatible with IP4, and I may be wrong, but I think their intention is to use IP6 as the default protocol.
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2006, 08:05:12 AM »

a lot changes in 7 years!  i now care more about new linux distros...
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2006, 12:11:52 PM »

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It's true...MS has seen the apocalypse...and it consists of square blocks falling upon us!!!

Thanks Purge...you just made my day.


biggrin  Your falling blocks remind me of the space invasion on earth in Futurama...

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I'm running it; it's nice. The difference between beta2 of XP and RC2 is significant; I expect the final product to be different as well. This OS should run faster and smoother, and take advantage of multi-core processors (such as mine). It would be nice if they could have integrated 32bit architecture into the 64bit  version; I only have the 32bit version installed right now. I'll be getting the 64bit version sometime next week and I'll post my findings.

(We have TechNet enterprise at work; this gives us beta versions to play with).

If you guys want a taste of the IE version, go to www.microsoft.com/ie and install the 7.0 beta 2. It's nice, and I've had almost no issue with site compatibility.

On page 7 they talk about protected mode; this does not exist for the IE7 beta on XP... this may be one of the BIG reasons Vista is being rolled out. It seems small, but it's quite significant. Also note that the local zone does NOT have protected mode.
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2006, 12:35:42 PM »

the preview was pathetic. It covered more about things like windows games (yuck) than it did on control panels and basic interface.

For one, you can now see your drive performance from the manage system option ( it runs an io test and you get to see drive performance). I've only played with the 32bit for an hour or two.. MAYBE.

500 hours? Unlikely.
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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2006, 01:25:36 PM »

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I was really interested in seeing what they could do with WinFS, but I heard the show-stopper issues were using it over a network.


Which is why they moved it to their next OS. smile Vista strikes me as primarily a GUI overall while incorporating features into their system that all of their competitors have used for the past few years.
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