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« on: December 06, 2006, 04:58:20 AM »

Interesting email I just recieved from Nintendo:



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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2006, 05:39:41 AM »

Man, I just had a bad feeling about that remote from day one.

Biggest fear:  Developers going "Hey, lets see what we can do with the remote!", moreso than "Lets make a great game!"..  Lens flare, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2006, 06:04:47 AM »

Nintendo has to tell people not to throw the remote.
Bicycles need to have warnings on them that falling off can cause injury.
People sue McDonalds for 'making' them fat.

But if Gweneth Paltrow claims Americans are dumb... she gets hammered.

The world is an interesting place, thats for sure.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2006, 06:34:10 AM »

Quote from: Kobra on December 06, 2006, 05:39:41 AM

Man, I just had a bad feeling about that remote from day one.

It's not the remotes fault, it's careless people. I have never even come close to throwing the remote.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2006, 01:42:08 PM »

Quote from: Lee on December 06, 2006, 06:34:10 AM

Quote from: Kobra on December 06, 2006, 05:39:41 AM

Man, I just had a bad feeling about that remote from day one.
It's not the remotes fault, it's careless people. I have never even come close to throwing the remote.

Agreed. The Wiimote is not dangerous - people playing with the thing wrong are.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2006, 01:45:04 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on December 06, 2006, 06:04:47 AM

Nintendo has to tell people not to throw the remote.
Bicycles need to have warnings on them that falling off can cause injury.
People sue McDonalds for 'making' them fat.

But if Gweneth Paltrow claims Americans are dumb... she gets hammered.

The world is an interesting place, thats for sure.

Huh. That's an interesting irony.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2006, 02:21:36 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on December 06, 2006, 05:39:41 AM

Man, I just had a bad feeling about that remote from day one.

Biggest fear:  Developers going "Hey, lets see what we can do with the remote!", moreso than "Lets make a great game!"..  Lens flare, etc.


I don't see it really.  Do you say that same thing when you read about DirectX 10?  Or higher broadband speeds?  Faster CPUs?   I don't think a new controller is what prevents developers from making great games.  I think it is actually small improvements in current technology (like faster video cards, etc.) and a mentality of follow the proven games (i.e. new Madden every year, Call of Duty 84 - nursing home offensive) which stops great games. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2006, 03:48:46 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on December 06, 2006, 06:04:47 AM

Nintendo has to tell people not to throw the remote.
Bicycles need to have warnings on them that falling off can cause injury.
People sue McDonalds for 'making' them fat.

But if Gweneth Paltrow claims Americans are dumb... she gets hammered.

The world is an interesting place, thats for sure.

Don't forget to add, "unbreakable judges 300 million people by the actions of one fat family."

Interesting place, indeed.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2006, 07:04:17 PM »

Quote from: Space Herpes on December 06, 2006, 03:48:46 PM

Don't forget to add, "unbreakable judges 300 million people by the actions of one fat family."

Interesting place, indeed.

I'll also add "Space Herpes can pule about spurious conclusions about people he doesn't know on these internet tubes" to that list.
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2006, 09:17:42 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on December 06, 2006, 06:04:47 AM

But if Gweneth Paltrow claims Americans are dumb... she gets hammered.

Someone who names their child "Apple" is not one to judge other people's intelligence.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2006, 10:52:34 PM »

Quote from: farley2k on December 06, 2006, 02:21:36 PM

Quote from: Kobra on December 06, 2006, 05:39:41 AM

Man, I just had a bad feeling about that remote from day one.

Biggest fear:  Developers going "Hey, lets see what we can do with the remote!", moreso than "Lets make a great game!"..  Lens flare, etc.



I don't see it really.  Do you say that same thing when you read about DirectX 10?  Or higher broadband speeds?  Faster CPUs?   I don't think a new controller is what prevents developers from making great games.  I think it is actually small improvements in current technology (like faster video cards, etc.) and a mentality of follow the proven games (i.e. new Madden every year, Call of Duty 84 - nursing home offensive) which stops great games. 



I do feel that way about all the improvements you've mentioned.  Everytime a new technology comes out there is a rush of games that focus so much on 'that next new thing' that they suffer in other categories.  I'm hoping they don't do it with this.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2006, 11:22:29 PM »

Quote from: Graham on December 06, 2006, 09:17:42 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on December 06, 2006, 06:04:47 AM

But if Gweneth Paltrow claims Americans are dumb... she gets hammered.

Someone who names their child "Apple" is not one to judge other people's intelligence.
Not to mention being a college dropout.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2006, 12:17:57 AM »

Quote from: Laner on December 06, 2006, 11:22:29 PM

Quote from: Graham on December 06, 2006, 09:17:42 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on December 06, 2006, 06:04:47 AM

But if Gweneth Paltrow claims Americans are dumb... she gets hammered.

Someone who names their child "Apple" is not one to judge other people's intelligence.
Not to mention being a college dropout.

Who will make more money and has more fame then you can even dream of. Not sure dropping out of college to become rich and famous counts as a mark against someone.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2006, 02:22:37 PM »

Quote from: Lee on December 07, 2006, 12:17:57 AM

Who will make more money and has more fame then you can even dream of. Not sure dropping out of college to become rich and famous counts as a mark against someone.

Not sure it counts for them either. There's much more to life than money and/or fame.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2006, 03:54:52 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on December 06, 2006, 10:52:34 PM

I do feel that way about all the improvements you've mentioned.  Everytime a new technology comes out there is a rush of games that focus so much on 'that next new thing' that they suffer in other categories.  I'm hoping they don't do it with this.

Sweet!  We can finally halt all technical progress.  This will make my job so much easier, thank you! :slywink:
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2006, 03:58:18 PM »

Quote from: kathode on December 07, 2006, 03:54:52 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on December 06, 2006, 10:52:34 PM

I do feel that way about all the improvements you've mentioned.  Everytime a new technology comes out there is a rush of games that focus so much on 'that next new thing' that they suffer in other categories.  I'm hoping they don't do it with this.

Sweet!  We can finally halt all technical progress.  This will make my job so much easier, thank you! :slywink:
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Yeah, kinda like how Oblivion focused so much on overdone HDR, that they forgot the game!   :slywink:
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2006, 04:25:37 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on December 07, 2006, 03:58:18 PM

Yeah, kinda like how Oblivion focused so much on overdone HDR, that they forgot the game!   :slywink:

I know!  That one guy who did the HDR was so overtaxed that he only had time left to make a game enjoyed by millions.  He is so fired.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2006, 04:27:01 PM »

Quote from: kathode on December 07, 2006, 03:54:52 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on December 06, 2006, 10:52:34 PM

I do feel that way about all the improvements you've mentioned.  Everytime a new technology comes out there is a rush of games that focus so much on 'that next new thing' that they suffer in other categories.  I'm hoping they don't do it with this.

Sweet!  We can finally halt all technical progress.  This will make my job so much easier, thank you! :slywink:
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Are you honestly saying that it wouldn't be nice sometimes to not have to worry about using new hardware?  I look at Final Fantasy 12 and I have to say that I think a "closed" system does offer some advantages. 
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2006, 05:08:18 PM »

Quote from: farley2k on December 07, 2006, 04:27:01 PM

Are you honestly saying that it wouldn't be nice sometimes to not have to worry about using new hardware?  I look at Final Fantasy 12 and I have to say that I think a "closed" system does offer some advantages. 

My post was just in jest, regarding the Luddite attitude that advances in technology (new hardware or not) are responsible for crappy games, an argument I find specious at best.  My attitude has always been that if there's a game with great technology and poor gameplay, if you took away their great technology, all you'd be left with is a game with poor gameplay AND poor technology.

Anyway, are you saying that Final Fantasy 12 posed no technical challenges to the developers?  It wasn't delayed over and over again for nothing smile  It definitely does help to know the hardware, but it just means you have to find new ways to push it harder. 

On a more on-topic note, there's a good tutorial about how to reinforce your Wii strap with fishing line starting here
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2006, 06:25:21 PM »

Quote from: kathode on December 07, 2006, 04:25:37 PM

Quote from: Kobra on December 07, 2006, 03:58:18 PM

Yeah, kinda like how Oblivion focused so much on overdone HDR, that they forgot the game!   :slywink:
I know!  That one guy who did the HDR was so overtaxed that he only had time left to make a game enjoyed by millions.  He is so fired.

LOL

Gotta find the time to buy the Knights of the Nine expansion and play through it...
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2006, 06:28:38 PM »

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Quote from: Lee on December 07, 2006, 12:17:57 AM

Who will make more money and has more fame then you can even dream of. Not sure dropping out of college to become rich and famous counts as a mark against someone.

Not sure it counts for them either. There's much more to life than money and/or fame.

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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2006, 07:56:03 PM »

Quote from: kathode on December 07, 2006, 05:08:18 PM

My post was just in jest, regarding the Luddite attitude that advances in technology (new hardware or not) are responsible for crappy games, an argument I find specious at best.

The argument is specious. Everyone knows that it's the insane sales of crappy games (that look really pretty thanks to new technology) that are responsible for crappy games. If crappy games sat on store shelves, despite their ability to render 1944 Europe with unheard of precision, they'd be much fewer and further between.
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2006, 05:41:31 PM »

Quote from: CrayolaSmoker on December 07, 2006, 07:56:03 PM

Quote from: kathode on December 07, 2006, 05:08:18 PM

My post was just in jest, regarding the Luddite attitude that advances in technology (new hardware or not) are responsible for crappy games, an argument I find specious at best.

The argument is specious. Everyone knows that it's the insane sales of crappy games (that look really pretty thanks to new technology) that are responsible for crappy games. If crappy games sat on store shelves, despite their ability to render 1944 Europe with unheard of precision, they'd be much fewer and further between.

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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2006, 07:51:35 PM »

There is now an article and video on CNN discussing what is apparently a growing, somewhat serious issue with the controller straps failing. That Nintendo head honcho you all love so much came out a day or two ago and owned up to there being defects in the design. So apparently those mocking people reporting these issues have some crow to eat now.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2006, 03:44:57 AM »

No, I still feel completely fine mocking anyone idiotic enough to break their Wiimote strap. Hold on to the remote people. It's not that difficult.
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2006, 05:18:02 AM »

Quote from: JCC on December 09, 2006, 03:44:57 AM

No, I still feel completely fine mocking anyone idiotic enough to break their Wiimote strap. Hold on to the remote people. It's not that difficult.


Its more than that, apparently the straps simply cannot take much stress, and fray out pretty quickly.  I saw a report on MSNBC about it.. As I said a couple weeks ago, I smell a "Recall" on this one.
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2006, 05:48:56 AM »

Quote from: Kobra on December 09, 2006, 05:18:02 AM

Quote from: JCC on December 09, 2006, 03:44:57 AM

No, I still feel completely fine mocking anyone idiotic enough to break their Wiimote strap. Hold on to the remote people. It's not that difficult.


Its more than that, apparently the straps simply cannot take much stress, and fray out pretty quickly.  I saw a report on MSNBC about it.. As I said a couple weeks ago, I smell a "Recall" on this one.

So don't let go of the f***ing thing. It's not hard. As someone who actually owns a Wii, I can tell you first hand, you have to be a dumb ass, or don't give a shit, to toss your remote. Yeah Nintendo could have made it stronger, but the user has to take the brunt of the responsibility.
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2006, 06:27:23 AM »

Well thats the masses for you.. For me personally, I recline in a nice chair, and enjoy my games.  No way in fucking hell am I even considering a console where I have to make masturbation movements to play games.  Straps breaking or otherwise, its a lame gimmick.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2006, 06:34:52 AM »

Quote from: Kobra on December 09, 2006, 06:27:23 AM

Well thats the masses for you.. For me personally, I recline in a nice chair, and enjoy my games.  No way in fucking hell am I even considering a console where I have to make masturbation movements to play games.  Straps breaking or otherwise, its a lame gimmick.

Bullshit, play it before you talk. Yeah in Sports it's easier to stand up. Zelda all I need to do is shake the remote a bit. 3 inches or so at most. I am perfectly relaxed playing Zelda. It's easier and more comfortable than a normal controller.
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2006, 06:55:20 AM »

I broke my wiimote strap   icon_frown  I'm not a dumbass.

And yeah Kobra, you can say that sort of crap after you've played it.  It's a whole hell of a lot more comfortable playing with the wiimote + nunchuck than a regular controller.
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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2006, 07:07:58 AM »

Quote from: depward on December 09, 2006, 06:55:20 AM

I broke my wiimote strap   icon_frown  I'm not a dumbass.

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2006, 08:22:30 AM »

yeah zelda rules with the Wii-mote and nunchuck....swish the Wii-mote through the air to slice,and shake the nunchuck a bit to spin attack.....for the whole movement,took me about 5 minutes to get comfortable with it all.....cant even imagine it playing with a gamecube controller

and yeah the sports titles are good with the controllers as well....especially golf....works perfectly,i wonder if a tiger woods for the Wii using that control sysytem will come out..i may buy it then
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2006, 10:31:49 AM »

Quote from: Lee on December 07, 2006, 12:17:57 AM

Not sure dropping out of college to become rich and famous counts as a mark against someone.

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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2006, 03:54:01 PM »

I think that most people aren't letting go intentionally. They are accidents. Either they are playing for a while and their hands get sweaty, or they get into the game hard, or some people are cramping up, etc...
It may have been better for Nintendo to not offer a strap, rather than one that gives a false sense of security to people.
Also they are now replacing the straps. For me, if I ever find one, I will probably just get some 200 lb test fishing line or something....
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2006, 03:55:09 PM »

Especially depending on the game. I work up a good sweat on my palms in some games,  I have to pause and wipe the mouse off.  I can imagine the same thing may happen - even more - with the action packed Wii sports stuff.
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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2006, 04:09:43 PM »

Well it looks like the controllers that are shipping now have sturdier cords. I really don't think this is a user error kind of deal.
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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2006, 04:28:37 PM »

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Quote from: JCC on December 09, 2006, 03:44:57 AM

No, I still feel completely fine mocking anyone idiotic enough to break their Wiimote strap. Hold on to the remote people. It's not that difficult.


Its more than that, apparently the straps simply cannot take much stress, and fray out pretty quickly.  I saw a report on MSNBC about it.. As I said a couple weeks ago, I smell a "Recall" on this one.

So don't let go of the f***ing thing. It's not hard. As someone who actually owns a Wii, I can tell you first hand, you have to be a dumb ass, or don't give a shit, to toss your remote. Yeah Nintendo could have made it stronger, but the user has to take the brunt of the responsibility.

A user take any responsibility for anything. Come now where do you think we live... It's easier to just sue Nintendo and get something for a persons own stupidity.

I am not saying that there may not be an issue with the straps, but I am saying that, since it is known that there maybe an issue, just use the remote without being a wildman. I have the Wii and I don't believe it's that easy to break the strap... I also don't swing will all my force either I am able to control and understand that a full force swing would be just a good as a controlled swing. Anyway My thoughts...
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