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« on: March 28, 2007, 04:14:10 AM »

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158254

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"Think about these [the three versions of the Xbox 360] as if they are bundles. The console is the same, we did some neat stuff because a lot of people said they liked black," Albert Penello, Director of Global Platform Marketing for Xbox, says, while he explains the new Elite version of the Xbox 360. "We think it's cool to try something interesting. When you're a new customer, what configuration makes sense for you? All three of these consoles are different bundles."

Microsoft announced the "Elite" version of the Xbox 360, an announcement that comes after numerous reports of an expected console revision (remember how Microsoft downgraded shipment figures back at CES?), and as previously speculated the Elite will be available in late April (April 29) for $479.99.

For $479.99, here's what gamers will get (in black -- see picture):

Xbox 360 Elite console. The console is equipped with a premium black finish and three powerful core processors capable of producing the best in HD entertainment (up to 1080p), 16:9 cinematic aspect ratio, anti-aliasing for smooth textures, full surround sound, HDMI output and DVD playback with upscaling capabilities right out of the box.
Xbox 360 120GB hard drive. The 120GB detachable hard drive allows gamers to save their games and store television shows, movies, music, pictures, trailers, levels, demos and other content available from Xbox LIVE Marketplace.3 The hard drive is sold separately for an estimated retail price of $179.99 (U.S.).
Xbox 360 Wireless Controller (black). This award-winning, high-performance wireless controller, now in black, features the Xbox Guide Button for quick, in-game access to friends and music. It has a range of up to 30 feet and a battery life of 30 hours on two AA batteries. It is sold separately for an estimated retail price of $49.99 (U.S.).
Xbox 360 headset (black). Now available in black, the headset lets gamers strategize or trade taunts while playing games and send voice messages to friends on Xbox LIVE.
Xbox 360 HDMI cable. New to Xbox 360, HDMI allows consumers to get HD video (up to 1080p) and multichannel surround sound, all from one cable. (Editor's Note: The component/composite cable already included with the Xbox 360 is also in the Xbox 360 Elite box).
Xbox LIVE Silver Membership. With this, gamers can chat with friends online, collect achievements and gamerscores, send and receive voice and text messages, and access Xbox LIVE Marketplace content such as game demos, HD movies and TV, as well as the best in downloadable games from Xbox LIVE Arcade.
One-month subscription to Xbox LIVE Gold. An Xbox LIVE Gold Membership provides a complete online entertainment experience. Those who subscribe to this premium service can engage in competitive online multiplayer matches, tailor their matchmaking via feedback and accomplishments, chat with more than one person at a time, and take advantage of unique privileges in the Xbox LIVE Marketplace and Xbox LIVE Arcade.
Nitty gritty details aside, Penello did say the console is "the same." The almost-a-year-old announcement of a revised chipset -- one that will have the 360 running cooler and quieter -- hasn't bore fruit just yet, as the Elite SKU features the same 90 nm chip currently in Xbox 360 hardware.
The Elite SKU is not being released to replace the Premium (or the Core) versions of the console: "The Elite is not our new default SKU. The SKU that we still think is the sweet spot is the existing 20 gigabyte unit." Penello said. "We've got a unit for people that is more entry level. We're not going to start releasing 25 gigabyte downloads."

Additionally, for consumers concerned with how they will get save files from their existing 360 hard drive onto the new 120 gig -- the 120 gig HDD accessory, which retails for $179.99, has a cable and software built-in that will connect the HDD to the console with an HDD attached to it and transfer the files from one HDD to the other. People won't have to use a memory card to transfer the files and then re-download all of their old Arcade titles.


Meh disgust

Is it worth $80.00 more? For someone that owns one already, in my opinion, NO!

So it has HDMI? Well, thats nice and all, but outside of integrated upconverting of DVD and the elmination of extra cabling, this isn't quite as big a deal as you think. I would imagine most people won't see much impact on the clarity and definition of their games versus Component or VGA. The HDD is the only draw for me really, the rest of the stuff is basically cosmetic. They should have thrown the HD DVD drive in there, just for the hell of it, but right now, for me, I have no incentive to sell mine and buy this, especially since its the same core processor unit.
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 04:30:11 AM »

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360-elite/feature-microsoft-gets-elite-247496.php

Key Elite info:
Nice black finish (including peripherals)
HDMI out
120gb HD
Permanent addition to the SKU matrix
Releases 4/29
$479.99

Oh - and comes with an HDMI cable. slywink

120gb sold separately for current 360 users for $179.99 (including a transfer cable to move your old content)

New video marketplace partners:

A&E:  for all your Dog the Bounty Hunter needs
ADV films:  #1 distributor of anime outside of Japan
National Geographic
New Line Cinemas
TotalVid:  extreme sports footage

And Warner Bros will be releasing direct-to-video movies simultaneously in HD on XBL including some sort of Babylon 5 something-or-other.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2007, 04:33:40 AM »

So basically your paying 80 bucks more for a different color.
Good stuff.  eek
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2007, 04:39:19 AM »

Quote from: Darren8r on March 28, 2007, 04:33:40 AM

So basically your paying 80 bucks more for a different color.
Good stuff.  eek

And the larger HDD. Why not sell the 120GB HDD for X number of dollars, add a proprietary HDMI cable to the current 360, and not bother with this new SKU?
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2007, 04:51:01 AM »

Can you not use an HDMI cable with the Premium 360? How do you get 1080p?
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2007, 04:56:21 AM »

Quote from: godhugh on March 28, 2007, 04:51:01 AM

Can you not use an HDMI cable with the Premium 360? How do you get 1080p?

I think currently you can get 1080p through TVs that accept that resolution via component (very few) and with VGA output. 

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Quote from: Darren8r on March 28, 2007, 04:33:40 AM

So basically your paying 80 bucks more for a different color.
Good stuff.  eek

And the larger HDD. Why not sell the 120GB HDD for X number of dollars, add a proprietary HDMI cable to the current 360, and not bother with this new SKU?

My understanding is that this is going to be run as this third unit only until they get rid of the current crop of Premiums and then that will be replaced by the white version of this in the fall/winter or whatever, bringing it back to only two SKUs. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2007, 04:56:38 AM »

Quote from: godhugh on March 28, 2007, 04:51:01 AM

Can you not use an HDMI cable with the Premium 360? How do you get 1080p?

VGA
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2007, 05:01:00 AM »

Buying a redesigned DS = totally worth it.  New design, enhanced everything.

Buying a redesigned 360 = too expensive, not a terribly good deal.

And I don't really need a bigger HD for my 360, so I'm out.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2007, 05:24:22 AM »

I am out...atleast until the new processor
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2007, 05:42:04 AM »

as i have just commented(and no doubt ignored,LOL)on major nelson...the best thing i think we need on the spring update is the ability to use our own external hard drives

we pay now,£70 for a 20gig 360 harddrive....the new $180 120 gig will cost us about£90(make that 100 after VAT)

but they sell 300 gig external hard drives for £80-£90 here.....its just crazy,and to me looks as though MS are preying on us because we need it for the 360 and cant use any other

but yeah,i will be getting the hard drive when it comes out(i have desperately needed it for months now)



as for new line cinema coming to Video marketplace(that i am still waiting for here)...just think,HD lord of the rings!!
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2007, 05:48:33 AM »

It's actually a 2.5" notebook sized SATA drive - 120gigs at 5400RPM, I believe.  Those retail for ~$90-120 here in the US.
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2007, 06:46:33 AM »

it doesnt say new line cinema on this link

http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/03/27/543305.aspx
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2007, 06:58:08 AM »

This whole thing just doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm pretty dumb.

Baffling.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2007, 09:41:26 AM »

Quote from: jblank on March 28, 2007, 04:39:19 AM

Quote from: Darren8r on March 28, 2007, 04:33:40 AM

So basically your paying 80 bucks more for a different color.
Good stuff.  eek

And the larger HDD. Why not sell the 120GB HDD for X number of dollars, add a proprietary HDMI cable to the current 360, and not bother with this new SKU?

I don't think the current 360 can have an HDMI cable added after the fact.  Microsoft has always talked around the issue but the fact that it's taking an entirely new SKU to implement HDMI just cements my belief that there will never be a way of "retrofitting" an HDMI solution for current 360 owners. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2007, 11:19:26 AM »

So.
-Its black.
-You get an HDMI cable.
-You get a bigger hard drive.
-It includes an HDMI cable that I can buy for 7 dollars online.

To recap:
-The marketplace still has bandwidth issues for downloading movies an tv shows. A lot of issues actually. The system is still fundamentally broken and less attractive than any other rental service because you have to watch movies 24 hours after starting them and essentially can't rewatch them if you have a normal life schedule. It was and remains an indefensible, boneheaded, bullshit move, and the bigger HDD does not thing to fix that.
-The large HDD as an add-on is absurdly overpriced. You can get the drives for cheaper than mentioned in this thread commercially if you find a halfway decent deal. These are being bought and sold in the tens of thousands. It could be much, much cheaper.
-Oh, the new SKU doesn't eliminate the total crap version that has been and will continue to hamper game development on the 360 by not forcing a HDD mandate for all games.
-No HD-DVD bundled for something so "EL337".
-The logic of this SKU when they had a real opportunity to stick it in and twist it when Sony was hurting is baffling. Its a short term response to what the current state of the market will bear, and IMO a very poor decision until the current features get implemented as the regular 399$ system.
-When the above does happen, what happens to day 1 adopters like me? Nothing. Bubkus. No grandfather in, no rebate, no nothing. Screwed I am sure.
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2007, 11:20:15 AM »

Quote from: jblank on March 28, 2007, 04:56:38 AM

Quote from: godhugh on March 28, 2007, 04:51:01 AM

Can you not use an HDMI cable with the Premium 360? How do you get 1080p?

VGA

I know some people were getting 1080p over component playing NBA Streets, is that not an option?
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2007, 11:22:26 AM »

If it was the new processor then I would most likely sell my current 360 to get this one... simply due to the # of issues I had, but most likely out. At that price I might as well buy a PS3 instead.
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2007, 11:29:41 AM »

Quote from: Calvin on March 28, 2007, 11:20:15 AM

Quote from: jblank on March 28, 2007, 04:56:38 AM

Quote from: godhugh on March 28, 2007, 04:51:01 AM

Can you not use an HDMI cable with the Premium 360? How do you get 1080p?

VGA

I know some people were getting 1080p over component playing NBA Streets, is that not an option?

360 can do 1080p over component for games.  The issue is that most TVs don't support 1080p over component so for many people the only 1080p solution is VGA. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2007, 11:35:45 AM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on March 28, 2007, 06:46:33 AM

it doesnt say new line cinema on this link

http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/03/27/543305.aspx

Yeah - Kotaku appears to have a different version of the press release.  Not sure what the deal is.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/marketplace/moviestv/newline.htm shows several New Line movies available for download.
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2007, 11:49:20 AM »

 thumbsdown

Bad move, MS.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2007, 12:00:08 PM »

The only thing I'm interested in is the processor revision, which this doesn't seem to have.
OTOH, just when I think the 360 will be relegated to nothing but a couple of RPGs coming later this year around our house, we discover Earth Defense Force.
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2007, 12:13:34 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on March 28, 2007, 09:41:26 AM

Quote from: jblank on March 28, 2007, 04:39:19 AM

Quote from: Darren8r on March 28, 2007, 04:33:40 AM

So basically your paying 80 bucks more for a different color.
Good stuff.  eek

And the larger HDD. Why not sell the 120GB HDD for X number of dollars, add a proprietary HDMI cable to the current 360, and not bother with this new SKU?

I don't think the current 360 can have an HDMI cable added after the fact.  Microsoft has always talked around the issue but the fact that it's taking an entirely new SKU to implement HDMI just cements my belief that there will never be a way of "retrofitting" an HDMI solution for current 360 owners. 

Hmm, maybe you are right. It was VERY late when I posted that, maybe I wasn't thinking clearly.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2007, 12:17:44 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 28, 2007, 11:49:20 AM

thumbsdown

Bad move, MS.

Agreed. Too soon and too much.

12 GB is plenty for me and thus far I'm unimpressed with HDMI.  And black? It should have been black from the get go.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2007, 01:40:16 PM »

179 bucks for the 120gig HD?   I was mildly interested but not at 179.00 bucks
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2007, 01:42:51 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on March 28, 2007, 01:40:16 PM

179 bucks for the 120gig HD?   I was mildly interested but not at 179.00 bucks

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Are they on crack?!?
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2007, 01:44:49 PM »

I have no interest in HDMI or the larger drive.  I agree that making a more expensive version of the 360 was not the way Microsoft should have gone.
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2007, 01:45:46 PM »

Quote from: Captain Caveman on March 28, 2007, 01:42:51 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on March 28, 2007, 01:40:16 PM

179 bucks for the 120gig HD?   I was mildly interested but not at 179.00 bucks

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Are they on crack?!?

I wonder if MS does anything to the drives to combat piracy which would prevent them from allowing any generic drive to be useable on a 360.
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2007, 01:50:49 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on March 28, 2007, 01:45:46 PM

I wonder if MS does anything to the drives to combat piracy which would prevent them from allowing any generic drive to be useable on a 360.

I think that is right on the money.  You will never see the ability to use a generic drive on the the 360 IMHO.
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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2007, 01:51:45 PM »

Hmm, i still don't think i will take the plunge yet with this black unit. I'd prefer to wait for the better chip. Nothing to say that this unit will be any more stable than the 'old' versions.
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2007, 01:58:09 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on March 28, 2007, 01:45:46 PM

Quote from: Captain Caveman on March 28, 2007, 01:42:51 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on March 28, 2007, 01:40:16 PM

179 bucks for the 120gig HD?   I was mildly interested but not at 179.00 bucks

 icon_eek

Are they on crack?!?

I wonder if MS does anything to the drives to combat piracy which would prevent them from allowing any generic drive to be useable on a 360.

I think MS decided they needed to do more stupid things to help Sony out.  The twenty dollar difference between this and the PS3 20 gig (assuming you can get one) is pretty insignificant.

Is it just me or is MS trying to make the Wii more appealing?
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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2007, 02:29:05 PM »

I'm sure you guys know that probably the biggest driver is their desire to ramp up the marketplace movie downloads/tv downloads.

If they can up the usage on that service, that cuts out the need for them to manufacture the HD drive and it's hitting Sony where they live.

I hope this new verison is a colossal failure at that price point.
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2007, 02:38:44 PM »

Quote from: ATB on March 28, 2007, 02:29:05 PM

I'm sure you guys know that probably the biggest driver is their desire to ramp up the marketplace movie downloads/tv downloads.

Well, as Penny Arcade pointed out, then perhaps they should have subsidized the new HDD so it wasn't so expensive with the idea of making it up on marketplace downloads in the long run.  As is, I'm loathe to buy the 120 Gig drive at almost $200.00 and sticking with the 20 Gig drive severely hampers my desire for much of the marketplace content. 
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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2007, 02:48:13 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on March 28, 2007, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: ATB on March 28, 2007, 02:29:05 PM

I'm sure you guys know that probably the biggest driver is their desire to ramp up the marketplace movie downloads/tv downloads.

Well, as Penny Arcade pointed out, then perhaps they should have subsidized the new HDD so it wasn't so expensive with the idea of making it up on marketplace downloads in the long run.  As is, I'm loathe to buy the 120 Gig drive at almost $200.00 and sticking with the 20 Gig drive severely hampers my desire for much of the marketplace content. 

Yes but why should they when there are people like Gellar who will buy it anyway?
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2007, 02:54:03 PM »

Quote from: ATB on March 28, 2007, 02:48:13 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on March 28, 2007, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: ATB on March 28, 2007, 02:29:05 PM

I'm sure you guys know that probably the biggest driver is their desire to ramp up the marketplace movie downloads/tv downloads.

Well, as Penny Arcade pointed out, then perhaps they should have subsidized the new HDD so it wasn't so expensive with the idea of making it up on marketplace downloads in the long run.  As is, I'm loathe to buy the 120 Gig drive at almost $200.00 and sticking with the 20 Gig drive severely hampers my desire for much of the marketplace content. 

Yes but why should they when there are people like Gellar who will buy it anyway?

But is there enough?

It's akin to Sony's philosophy that they are trying with the PS3- is there enough people willing to pay such a premium to still expand the install base sufficient to bring in a lot of sales through licensing later?
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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2007, 02:57:30 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on March 28, 2007, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: ATB on March 28, 2007, 02:29:05 PM

I'm sure you guys know that probably the biggest driver is their desire to ramp up the marketplace movie downloads/tv downloads.

Well, as Penny Arcade pointed out, then perhaps they should have subsidized the new HDD so it wasn't so expensive with the idea of making it up on marketplace downloads in the long run.  As is, I'm loathe to buy the 120 Gig drive at almost $200.00 and sticking with the 20 Gig drive severely hampers my desire for much of the marketplace content. 

+1 million.

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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2007, 02:58:45 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on March 28, 2007, 01:45:46 PM

Quote from: Captain Caveman on March 28, 2007, 01:42:51 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on March 28, 2007, 01:40:16 PM

179 bucks for the 120gig HD?   I was mildly interested but not at 179.00 bucks
Are they on crack?!?
I wonder if MS does anything to the drives to combat piracy which would prevent them from allowing any generic drive to be useable on a 360.

Considering that people have already figured out how to connect the HD inside the 360 to a standard PC (it's just a SATA connection) not really, no. They just take a normal HD, put it in its silly enclosure, and jack up the price 50% over retail.

And don't forget - you have to buy the new black rechargeable battery pack and the new black recharging cable if you want to maintain your 'elite' status.
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« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2007, 03:07:29 PM »

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-The marketplace still has bandwidth issues for downloading movies an tv shows. A lot of issues actually. The system is still fundamentally broken and less attractive than any other rental service because you have to watch movies 24 hours after starting them and essentially can't rewatch them if you have a normal life schedule. It was and remains an indefensible, boneheaded, bullshit move, and the bigger HDD does not thing to fix that.

I've read that part of the reason that Live was down was to do some major work on the backend infrastructure.  We may not see it right away with the Spring update but they are putting pieces in place.  That said my download of a 5GB HD movie went surprisingly quick last week.

Wait, so they are not going to make this Elite version the new Premium?  Will the $400 Premium still lack HDMI and come with the 20GB HDD?

Personally I don't give two hoots about the inclusion of the HD-DVD drive.  It was a mistake for Sony game machine wise (smart in the HD war, though) and I can't fault MS for not pushing it.  But I do fault them if this Elite package is not going to become the new Premium at the same price point.
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« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2007, 03:12:40 PM »

Quote from: Jancelot on March 28, 2007, 03:07:29 PM

Wait, so they are not going to make this Elite version the new Premium?  Will the $400 Premium still lack HDMI and come with

That's what it looks like.  The initial rumor that the Elite would be a limited time only thing seemed kind of silly but probably of negligible impact.  On the other hand, introducing a new higher priced SKU permanently without subsequent price cuts on the other two SKUs seems really stupid to me. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2007, 03:18:11 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on March 28, 2007, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: ATB on March 28, 2007, 02:29:05 PM

I'm sure you guys know that probably the biggest driver is their desire to ramp up the marketplace movie downloads/tv downloads.

Well, as Penny Arcade pointed out, then perhaps they should have subsidized the new HDD so it wasn't so expensive with the idea of making it up on marketplace downloads in the long run.  As is, I'm loathe to buy the 120 Gig drive at almost $200.00 and sticking with the 20 Gig drive severely hampers my desire for much of the marketplace content. 

First of all agree completely, second I don't think there are enough people like gellar to think this is a wise move, and finally (Although I seem to be the only person that is still harping on this), if they really want to ramp up the marketplace for movie downloads, make it competitive with every other rental service out there. The fact that people are renting and downloading movies from them for 4 dollars a pop that sometimes take 24 hours to download and they they only have 24 hours to watch or they lose it is so insanely insulting to consumers that can get 2 DVDs out at a time for 10 bucks from blockbuster and watch 8 or so of them in a month for twice that cost and spend as long as they damn well choose to watch them is just mind-boggling. The fact that MS doesn't recognize this flaw is equally mystifying. I wish more people were as annoyed about it as I am, because frankly I WANT to download and watch HD movies. I want to do it now, but I won't do it the way they have it set up.
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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2007, 03:24:25 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on March 28, 2007, 03:12:40 PM

Quote from: Jancelot on March 28, 2007, 03:07:29 PM

Wait, so they are not going to make this Elite version the new Premium?  Will the $400 Premium still lack HDMI and come with
That's what it looks like.  The initial rumor that the Elite would be a limited time only thing seemed kind of silly but probably of negligible impact.  On the other hand, introducing a new higher priced SKU permanently without subsequent price cuts on the other two SKUs seems really stupid to me. 

Rumor has it that once the Elite has been out for a bit, the entire package will become the $400 console. It just won't be black. And it'll be the 65nm chipside inside (which means it'll be cooler and quieter).
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