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« on: July 21, 2008, 06:29:44 PM »

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25782540

I understand her point of view and story of her son. However,

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They then sold him a USED copy of “Metal Gear Solid 4.” “How can the game already be used?” my son asked. “Because some people get frustrated if they don’t have ‘cheats’,” he was told.

Huh?

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Game Stop fanboys explained that Sony now has a special coating on Blu-ray game discs which makes them virtually scratch-proof.

Huh... What?

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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 06:38:02 PM »

Quote from: biggercup on July 21, 2008, 06:29:44 PM

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Game Stop fanboys explained that Sony now has a special coating on Blu-ray game discs which makes them virtually scratch-proof.

Huh... What?

I don't know about "virtually scratch-proof," but the extra scratch-resist coating on blu-ray discs does seem to make a difference on the things I get from Netflix. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 06:48:22 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on July 21, 2008, 06:38:02 PM

Quote from: biggercup on July 21, 2008, 06:29:44 PM

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Game Stop fanboys explained that Sony now has a special coating on Blu-ray game discs which makes them virtually scratch-proof.

Huh... What?

I don't know about "virtually scratch-proof," but the extra scratch-resist coating on blu-ray discs does seem to make a difference on the things I get from Netflix. 

Indeed.  It's not PS3 specific, but all Blu-Ray (and I think HD-DVD, when they were around) discs have a scratch resistant coating.

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 06:54:54 PM »

They should add that to all games. I hate having small scratches on my discs simply for playing the game.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 06:56:55 PM »

Waitaminute... either she's an ignorant moron, or her son is. He watched this year's E3 presentation for Sony, which was basically last year's presentation reheated and served straight from the microwave, and suddenly he wanted to trade in all of his 360 stuff for a PS3?

Apparently he's been living in a cave for the past year.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 07:14:33 PM »

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Forget the analysts. Forget the NPD sales figures. Forget the CEO’s. I live with the ultimate expert on the video game industry—my 16-year-old son.

Based upon my experiences in the few years I wasted time posting in the gamespot forums, do I ever NOT agree with that statement. She more or less lost me there. I mean my nephew was a helluva savvy game player at 16 too, but I wouldn't have accorded him such high accolades. Not that I don't necessarily agree with her that analysts and CEO's of game publishers often don't have a clue.

To this day I've only bought 1 preowned video game that had problems, and that wasn't due to scratching. So if the coating on PS3 Blu-ray games is indeed superior, in my experience it isn't necessary. As to some of those other comments from those Game Stop employees, sounds like management needs to give them some smack face.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 07:18:45 PM »

What an embarrassing article for everyone (the industry, CNBC, Jane Wells) all around.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 08:14:01 PM »

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Sony just didn’t have great games.

Her so called expert, thought that Sony didn't have great games. BS, it should read, "my 12 year old Xbox fanboy of a son didn't give any Playstation Games a chance because he is an ignorant fanboy" or in the alternative "I have no f'ing clue what I am talking about, I can't believe they gave me this assignment, what the hell am I going to write. Oh, I know, I will make up some fictional expert and act like I know what I am talking about because my fictional expert says it is so, wa-la Sony wins the console wars, YEAH."
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 08:19:26 PM »

Quote from: TheMissingLink on July 21, 2008, 07:18:45 PM

What an embarrassing article for everyone (the industry, CNBC, Jane Wells) all around.

Agreed totally. Good lord.
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 08:32:27 PM »

Quote from: TheMissingLink on July 21, 2008, 07:18:45 PM

What an embarrassing article for everyone (the industry, CNBC, Jane Wells) all around.

Agreed! That was a horrible article. Well, I guess I will go and trade in my Wii and get a PS3, be back later.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 08:35:43 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on July 21, 2008, 08:19:26 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on July 21, 2008, 07:18:45 PM

What an embarrassing article for everyone (the industry, CNBC, Jane Wells) all around.

Agreed totally. Good lord.

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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 08:48:50 PM »

I don't even think that article makes much sense.  Especially the way it is written. 

I didn't know LordMortis was a woman.   icon_confused
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2008, 10:52:43 PM »

Quote from: TheMissingLink on July 21, 2008, 07:18:45 PM

What an embarrassing article for everyone (the industry, CNBC, Jane Wells) all around.

what? - there's no more room in the world for heart-warming anecdotes?! slywink ...

Quote from: Farscry on July 21, 2008, 06:56:55 PM

He watched this year's E3 presentation for Sony, which was basically last year's presentation reheated and served straight from the microwave, and suddenly he wanted to trade in all of his 360 stuff for a PS3?

well,... you gotta remember that, a year ago, he was only 15...
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2008, 10:55:15 PM »

I'm going to go trade in my 360 for a toaster. Does that mean the toaster is the superior gaming console?

How is this news?
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2008, 12:01:08 AM »

The scratch coating on blu-ray discs is fantastic.
It's really unusual to see a scratch on one.
99% look brand new.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2008, 12:22:07 AM »

Quote from: PeteRock on July 21, 2008, 08:48:50 PM

I didn't know LordMortis was a woman.   icon_confused

naw, he just dressed like one.

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 21, 2008, 10:55:15 PM

I'm going to go trade in my 360 for a toaster. Does that mean the toaster is the superior gaming console?

only if it has 'Nintendo' on it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2008, 01:23:25 PM »

Quote from: Misguided on July 22, 2008, 12:01:08 AM

The scratch coating on blu-ray discs is fantastic.
It's really unusual to see a scratch on one.
99% look brand new.

That is awesome and I want to see more games & movies do that. nod

My number one complaint about buying used games is they're always scratched up (or were obviously buffed to try to remove scratches using that lousy buffing machine that leaves blatant swirl patterns on the disc). You can tell all the games I've bought new, because they're in damn near perfect condition. My anal retentiveness is good for some things, after all! icon_wink
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2008, 04:02:39 PM »

why do the uninformed writers always think they can "share" a good story and paint it as indicative of an industry?  stupid story by a stupid writer.  she should go back to writing about shopping or whatever drivel passes for journalistic quality at the cnbc.
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2008, 06:22:31 PM »

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why do the uninformed writers always think they can "share" a good story and paint it as indicative of an industry?  stupid story by a stupid writer.

Yes, the problem here is that the anecdote she uses is terrible.  Her son was an X-Box fanboy until he saw one marketing speech from Sony about a little-known technology called "Blu-Ray" and some obscure sleeper-hit called Metal Gear Solid 4, and suddenly his world turned upside down?  Let's recap what we've learned:

1) Her son is absurdly susceptible to marketing.

2) Her son is almost comically uninformed about major trends in gaming and technology.

3) Her son is therefore one of the least reliable sources for information on these topics.

If her little story was supposed to show us something about Microsoft, Sony, or the industry in general, it must be buried somewhere in an upcoming follow-up piece.

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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2008, 06:41:28 PM »

As I was curious who this person was, and had some lunch time to kill, I did a little research on her other articles. She's apparently not above posting letters from the public about her articles.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25787117

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Note from Jane: he knew about the game, he just wasn't sold on buying it... as for proof of Sony winning, here's part of an AP report from last week: "Sony Corp.'s PlayStation 3 bested Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 console in June. The PS3 sold 405,500 units compared with just 219,800 for the Xbox 360. The higher PS3 sales were fueled by the launch of the highly anticipated 'Metal Gear Solid 4,' which is available exclusively for Sony's console. The game sold 774,600 copies, not including those bundled with the PS3."

I'm consistently amused by this concept of 'winning' when it comes to the so called console war. What defines winning? Profitability. If there were seven consoles on the market, and all seven were making money, then all seven are 'winning'.

But if you really want to check out some hard hitting "investigative" journalism - she compares the price of a gallon of gas with the cost of food for the day...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25511495

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Did anyone make money off me in this experiment? Probably not. McDonalds franchisees are reportedly complaining that they don't want to promote the dollar menu because they want to encourage people to buy more profitable items. I bought the raw materials at the grocery store (not wholesale) for the breakfast and lunch meals, and portioning out what I would use for a sausage burrito and some nachos, the cost was 60 cents more than what I actually paid for them at the fast food chains.

Ummmm... SO you think that McDonalds, with probably fifty thousand stores in the united states, pays Grocery Store prices to make their items and have no special deals with anyone - despite the fact that you work for CNBC.

Someone needs to take the peabody they earned in 1992 and consider what a trainwreck their career has become since then - the past fifteen years.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 06:53:54 PM »

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 22, 2008, 06:41:28 PM

I'm consistently amused by this concept of 'winning' when it comes to the so called console war. What defines winning? Profitability. If there were seven consoles on the market, and all seven were making money, then all seven are 'winning'.

Profitability as the definitive definition of winning?

Microsoft lost $4 BILLION on the Xbox 1, but because of it they managed to get a media box in a lot of households and now here we are in 2008 seeing downloadable games, movies, TV shows, and now Netflix on the 360.

Sony seems to think a lot of lost money and 3rd place in sales is ok for the PS3 as long as blu-ray wins the hearts of consumers.

Nintendo...well ok they fit your definition just fine. slywink
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2008, 07:00:08 PM »

The problem with geeks is that they are all so literal-minded. Jane Wells has an opinion column entitled Funny Business and you all think she's making serious business forecasts? I read the article and it sounds like she was just relating an interesting anecdote about her son's sudden turnaround and wondering if this is specific to her son or indicative of a general trend in his age group. You have to read the article as a mom writing about her son and not a business person prognosticating.

To the reactions in this thread I give you this:  eek and this:  Roll Eyes
 
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2008, 07:28:57 PM »

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To the reactions in this thread I give you this:  eek and this:  Roll Eyes
 
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We're still not doing as well as the people who actually wrote responses to the article:

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I believe this article is about an editor pushing a reporter to do a pro-Sony story. Most likely for advertising money. Do you even have a kid?

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I'll be not watching CNBC anymore. But it's mainly because my dog stepped on the remote and changed the TV to ABC, so this is 'Ultimate Proof' that ABC is the better network. You're an idiot.
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on July 22, 2008, 07:28:57 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on July 22, 2008, 07:00:08 PM

To the reactions in this thread I give you this:  eek and this:  Roll Eyes
 
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We're still not doing as well as the people who actually wrote responses to the article:

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I believe this article is about an editor pushing a reporter to do a pro-Sony story. Most likely for advertising money. Do you even have a kid?

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I'll be not watching CNBC anymore. But it's mainly because my dog stepped on the remote and changed the TV to ABC, so this is 'Ultimate Proof' that ABC is the better network. You're an idiot.


Heh, those are good, and some of the comments from GAF are just as priceless: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328229

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For every step women take forward in this industry, it seems like they take ten steps back (see also: Nintendo press conference lady). smh

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An obvious stunt. I bet the author isn't really a woman, nor does he have a child. It's likely a Sony investor or a Gamestop marketing rep.

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I'm guessing most of the bullshit she writes about doesn't have as dedicated and well-informed a following as gaming does, so yeah probably a bit taken aback. I hope she takes it as a lesson.

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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 08:23:16 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on July 22, 2008, 07:28:57 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on July 22, 2008, 07:00:08 PM

To the reactions in this thread I give you this:  eek and this:  Roll Eyes
 
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We're still not doing as well as the people who actually wrote responses to the article:

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I believe this article is about an editor pushing a reporter to do a pro-Sony story. Most likely for advertising money. Do you even have a kid?

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I'll be not watching CNBC anymore. But it's mainly because my dog stepped on the remote and changed the TV to ABC, so this is 'Ultimate Proof' that ABC is the better network. You're an idiot.

we could apply the same faulty logic she shows in this piece to other areas of our lives and make all sorts of crazy assed assumptions about damn near anything.  a 16 yo kid is not an expert on anything, except maybe free porn, leetspeek and the best way to call someone "fag", if live users are any indication.

what i love is that this kid, who loved gears of war, apparently forgot that the sequel is coming out in a few months.  maybe when he sees it in action he'll bounce back to the 360 and sell his ps3 and one game.  
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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2008, 08:41:27 PM »

Quote from: Caine on July 22, 2008, 08:23:16 PM


what i love is that this kid, who loved gears of war, apparently forgot that the sequel is coming out in a few months.  maybe when he sees it in action he'll bounce back to the 360 and sell his ps3 and one game.  

I'm sure she'll have an article that day about how she has proof that the 360 is making a comeback.  Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2008, 08:46:53 PM »

Quote from: rickfc on July 22, 2008, 08:41:27 PM

Quote from: Caine on July 22, 2008, 08:23:16 PM


what i love is that this kid, who loved gears of war, apparently forgot that the sequel is coming out in a few months.  maybe when he sees it in action he'll bounce back to the 360 and sell his ps3 and one game.  

I'm sure she'll have an article that day about how she has proof that the 360 is making a comeback.  Tongue

More likely that he'll end up going blind from playing his Wii into the early hours of the morning, and then we'll have a 1:1 ratio of kids playing video games to kids going blind.

(and yes, Wii was a double entendre)
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2008, 12:32:19 AM »

great, just what we need-  more blind angsty Wii wankers.
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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2008, 12:38:19 AM »

Quote from: Purge on July 22, 2008, 08:46:53 PM

More likely that he'll end up going blind from playing his Wii into the early hours of the morning, and then we'll have a 1:1 ratio of kids playing video games to kids going blind.

(and yes, Wii was a double entendre)

good thing they didn't stick with the original name, or we'd have kids with worse problems than going blind....
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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2008, 02:01:58 AM »

I'm a 33-year old gamer, I've followed all the trends, watched all the shows. I was playing games before this kid was born, and was beating hardcore RPGs while he was still crapping his diapers.

I owned a PSOne and a PS2, but I do not own a PS3.

Who wins?



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« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2008, 02:22:13 AM »

Quote from: YellowKing on July 23, 2008, 02:01:58 AM

I'm a 33-year old gamer, I've followed all the trends, watched all the shows. I was playing games before this kid was born, and was beating hardcore RPGs while he was still crapping his diapers.

I owned a PSOne and a PS2, but I do not own a PS3.

Who wins?

Er...the Phantom? Wait...give me a minute, I'll figure it out.
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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2008, 02:37:07 AM »

Quote from: YellowKing on July 23, 2008, 02:01:58 AM

I'm a 33-year old gamer, I've followed all the trends, watched all the shows. I was playing games before this kid was born, and was beating hardcore RPGs while he was still crapping his diapers.

I owned a PSOne and a PS2, but I do not own a PS3.

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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2008, 03:55:39 AM »

Quote from: YellowKing on July 23, 2008, 02:01:58 AM

I'm a 33-year old gamer, I've followed all the trends, watched all the shows. I was playing games before this kid was born, and was beating hardcore RPGs while he was still crapping his diapers.

I owned a PSOne and a PS2, but I do not own a PS3.

Who wins?

you - once you get your mom to write a column...
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« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2008, 05:41:16 AM »

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 22, 2008, 06:41:28 PM

I'm consistently amused by this concept of 'winning' when it comes to the so called console war. What defines winning? Profitability. If there were seven consoles on the market, and all seven were making money, then all seven are 'winning'.

Not really. If you aren't making as much money as you could be if you invested the money in a different non-gaming market or aren't making as much money as a competitor with similar or less resources than you, your shareholders aren't going to be terribly thrilled with a small profit.  With similar business models, comparisons between the 360 and PS3 are inevitible.  PS3 won the format war; 360 is winning everything else.  Comparisons are more difficult to the Wii, but they likely wouldn't be favobable.
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2008, 06:59:58 AM »

Here's a follow-up on that same article 2 months later:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26559089

Her son regrets trading in his XBox360 for the PS3.  He doesn't play his PS3 as much anymore, is saving for another XBox360, and he reactivated his WoW account.  Ouch.
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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2008, 08:37:31 AM »

Heh, figured that'd happen.  PS3 is missing some big name shooters like Halo 3 which her son probably plays.  Had they traded it sometime after R2 or Killzone 2 game out, things would be different.

But, the reporter was clearly stupid to write such an article in that way in the first place.
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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2008, 10:28:38 AM »

why does everyone need a sugar coating on their discs?..CDs and DVDs for me are well looked after,using forefinger in the hole(no jokes CK  Roll Eyes ) and thumb on the outerside of the disc to take out my discs from the casing to the tray and visa versa...all my discs are fine...what on earth are you all doing to your discs?
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2008, 02:44:51 PM »

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...all my discs are fine...what on earth are you all doing to your discs?


my girlfriend believes it's ok to put 3-4 disks in one case as long as you stack shiny side to shiny side. when I open the cases 3 disks go surfing across the tile floors.

I can handle my disks with silk gloves and it doesn't matter. I welcome scratch proofing.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2008, 02:54:06 PM »

Quote from: Purge on July 22, 2008, 08:46:53 PM

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what i love is that this kid, who loved gears of war, apparently forgot that the sequel is coming out in a few months.  maybe when he sees it in action he'll bounce back to the 360 and sell his ps3 and one game.  

I'm sure she'll have an article that day about how she has proof that the 360 is making a comeback.  Tongue

More likely that he'll end up going blind from playing his Wii into the early hours of the morning, and then we'll have a 1:1 ratio of kids playing video games to kids going blind.

(and yes, Wii was a double entendre)

No, we won't have the 1:1 ratio until the Motion Plus comes out.  Right now, it's a slightly delayed wank.
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