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« Reply #200 on: September 11, 2013, 07:17:44 PM »

Sounds like the approach Netflix took with separate profiles.
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« Reply #201 on: September 12, 2013, 12:03:35 AM »

Did I mention that CeeKay is my long lost brother?
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« Reply #202 on: September 12, 2013, 12:14:50 AM »

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Did I mention that CeeKay is my long lost brother?

sweet!  I'll be over in a bit; I'll need to crash on your couch with a couple of hookers and a crack dealer names Jabar that has been following me around.  make sure you got that sucker stain proofed bro!  I'd hate to leave a CeeKay love stain!
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« Reply #203 on: September 12, 2013, 12:49:55 AM »

Hmm,  so whose gonna be the first to try to monopolize on the rental market?  Add someone charge them $x for unlimited play or per game session. Drop em, rinse repeat. 
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« Reply #204 on: September 12, 2013, 05:45:10 AM »

and today is Steams birthday.  10 years man!

from Kotaku:  remember when Steam sucked?
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« Reply #205 on: September 12, 2013, 06:35:29 AM »

Strangely enough, I do still remember when it sucked.

Which is also why I was very glad when other companies started stepping up to provide competition, and even undercut steam prices like GMG and Origin. Say what you will about Origin and other services. The Steam developers likely would never have gotten off their asses from working on these stupid monetization schemes like cards and hats, to actually implementing useful features more quickly if these competitors didn't exist.
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« Reply #206 on: September 13, 2013, 04:01:00 AM »

Steam holiday sales predate Origin online store (June, 2011) EA Online store (with that godawful download manager) wasn't terribly competitive.

2009 - Dec 23 - Jan 3 - Holiday Sale
2010 - Jun 24 - Jul 4 - Perils Of Summer Sale
2010 - Oct 28 - Nov 1 - Halloween Sale
2010 - Dec 20 - Jan 2 - Holiday Sale
2011 - Jun 30 - Jul 11 - Summer Camp Sale
2011 - Oct 27 - Oct 31 - Halloween Sale
2011 - Nov 23 - Nov 27 - Autumn Sale
2011 - Dec 19 - Jan 1 - Holiday Sale

It doesn't invalidate your point about competition, though I think Steam was really the one to bring it before others "drove" them to it.
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« Reply #207 on: October 03, 2013, 12:38:06 AM »

So I got into the Steam Family Sharing beta, but it appears to be even more restricted than I thought. 

From what I'm reading, it looks like you have to physically set up a shared computer, as if you're just two people logging in to Steam in the same house.  That is basically useless to me.  I was really hoping this would be the equivalent of Microsoft's proposed XB1 online family sharing, but it doesn't look like it.

And before you say I can just tell my friends to log into my account and authorize their machines, no way.  I'm not giving account info out to multiple people...if I did that I might as well share my games by sharing an account without the Family Sharing anyway.
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« Reply #208 on: October 04, 2013, 11:29:20 AM »

had to figure there'd be a catch, the whole sharing thing seemed kind of crazy.
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« Reply #209 on: October 04, 2013, 04:06:38 PM »

The requirement to setup a shared PC is fine with me given then stated intent as a family sharing service, it seems reasonable that family members would have the required physical access for setup.

The limitation on only 1 person being able to access a library at a time is more limiting in my view.
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« Reply #210 on: October 04, 2013, 06:53:11 PM »

Guess I'll stick to sharing account info with my brother.
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« Reply #211 on: October 04, 2013, 08:49:54 PM »

also got a beta invite to family sharing.  now I'm not sure I'll even get a chance to try it out.
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« Reply #212 on: October 04, 2013, 09:23:08 PM »

Having my son not need to have my login to get to games I want to share with him works for me. Too bad I didn't get an invite. Tongue
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« Reply #213 on: October 05, 2013, 07:38:28 PM »

Quote from: Atragon on October 04, 2013, 04:06:38 PM

The requirement to setup a shared PC is fine with me given then stated intent as a family sharing service, it seems reasonable that family members would have the required physical access for setup.
Agreed, the requirements for this are perfectly fine for me and I'll definitely setup mine and my son's computer to share each other's libraries. Where this is particularly valuable for me is the more recent releases I haven't been buying due to not having the PC to run them before I upgraded this spring. This now allows me to play those games which my son has moved on from. As well, my son can now better demo the strategy games I've purchased like Crusader Kings II that he wasn't sure he'd enjoy.

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The limitation on only 1 person being able to access a library at a time is more limiting in my view.
I don't have problems with this and can understand the limitation, as allowing it would really be more akin to doubling the license than sharing it. I can see it being a bit of bummer for games that are better played co-op, but that isn't many games.
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« Reply #214 on: October 06, 2013, 07:27:28 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on October 05, 2013, 07:38:28 PM

Quote from: Atragon on October 04, 2013, 04:06:38 PM

The limitation on only 1 person being able to access a library at a time is more limiting in my view.
I don't have problems with this and can understand the limitation, as allowing it would really be more akin to doubling the license than sharing it. I can see it being a bit of bummer for games that are better played co-op, but that isn't many games.

As far as I understood the limitation, it's applied to your whole steam library, ie, if you're playing borderlands on your PC, someone else can't play Civ 5 using your license at the same time. If that isn't the case, then I'm thrilled.
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« Reply #215 on: October 08, 2013, 03:19:32 AM »

Quote from: Atragon on October 06, 2013, 07:27:28 PM

Quote from: kronovan on October 05, 2013, 07:38:28 PM

Quote from: Atragon on October 04, 2013, 04:06:38 PM

The limitation on only 1 person being able to access a library at a time is more limiting in my view.
I don't have problems with this and can understand the limitation, as allowing it would really be more akin to doubling the license than sharing it. I can see it being a bit of bummer for games that are better played co-op, but that isn't many games.

As far as I understood the limitation, it's applied to your whole steam library, ie, if you're playing borderlands on your PC, someone else can't play Civ 5 using your license at the same time. If that isn't the case, then I'm thrilled.

I think you have it correctly. That still works for me because my son and I often play at different times. For sure this is very targeted at families where coordinating something like this is more viable.
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« Reply #216 on: October 14, 2013, 05:20:29 PM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on October 03, 2013, 12:38:06 AM

So I got into the Steam Family Sharing beta, but it appears to be even more restricted than I thought. 

From what I'm reading, it looks like you have to physically set up a shared computer, as if you're just two people logging in to Steam in the same house.  That is basically useless to me.  I was really hoping this would be the equivalent of Microsoft's proposed XB1 online family sharing, but it doesn't look like it.

And before you say I can just tell my friends to log into my account and authorize their machines, no way.  I'm not giving account info out to multiple people...if I did that I might as well share my games by sharing an account without the Family Sharing anyway.

I just got in too, and noticed this on the FAQ you linked to:

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I've received a request to share my games. What do I do?

A friend's request to share will arrive as an email message. Click the link within to authorize the requesting computer to grant other Steam users access to your games.

it sounds like you can remotely grant access.
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« Reply #217 on: October 14, 2013, 05:32:49 PM »

If you look one question above that I don't think so:

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I share a computer with another Steam user and want to request access to their games. What do I do?
If another Steam user has installed a game on your shared computer, you can log into Steam on this device using your own account and send a sharing request. To do this, visit your library, where you'll see your friend's installed games. Select the Play button to launch a request form. Once sent, this will send an email to the account holder.

But certainly let me know if you're able to get it to work.
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« Reply #218 on: October 14, 2013, 07:12:53 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on October 14, 2013, 05:20:29 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on October 03, 2013, 12:38:06 AM

So I got into the Steam Family Sharing beta, but it appears to be even more restricted than I thought. 

From what I'm reading, it looks like you have to physically set up a shared computer, as if you're just two people logging in to Steam in the same house.  That is basically useless to me.  I was really hoping this would be the equivalent of Microsoft's proposed XB1 online family sharing, but it doesn't look like it.

And before you say I can just tell my friends to log into my account and authorize their machines, no way.  I'm not giving account info out to multiple people...if I did that I might as well share my games by sharing an account without the Family Sharing anyway.

I just got in too, and noticed this on the FAQ you linked to:

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I've received a request to share my games. What do I do?

A friend's request to share will arrive as an email message. Click the link within to authorize the requesting computer to grant other Steam users access to your games.

it sounds like you can remotely grant access.
If you have two home PCs and steam is installed on both, sure, why not?

I want in. I want in. I want in. Then I can stop racking up hours in games like Monster Truck Nitro. Tongue
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« Reply #219 on: October 14, 2013, 10:25:31 PM »

I told them not to let you in.
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« Reply #220 on: October 17, 2013, 03:48:21 AM »

If Purge gets let in he has to agree to virtually share his beer and pretzels.  Otherwise he's out!  Tongue
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« Reply #221 on: October 17, 2013, 05:29:19 AM »

Got my invite today. Set up and working.
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« Reply #222 on: October 18, 2013, 11:30:05 AM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on October 14, 2013, 05:32:49 PM

If you look one question above that I don't think so:

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I share a computer with another Steam user and want to request access to their games. What do I do?
If another Steam user has installed a game on your shared computer, you can log into Steam on this device using your own account and send a sharing request. To do this, visit your library, where you'll see your friend's installed games. Select the Play button to launch a request form. Once sent, this will send an email to the account holder.

But certainly let me know if you're able to get it to work.

yeah, looks like I was reading too much into the wording.  they should have combined those two questions on the FAQ; I was only looking for the one question and skipped the previous one.
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« Reply #223 on: November 02, 2013, 01:47:25 PM »

I liked the way Steam tracked the number of hours you've spent with each game.  Somehow, that's gotten completely borked.  Every game in my library - even ones I've spent less than an hour with - now say that I've spent 100+ hours playing them.  Seemed to happen after the last update. 

Anyone else had this happen?
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« Reply #224 on: November 03, 2013, 05:49:01 AM »

No, but CeeKay hacked your account and is playing your games like MAD. slywink
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« Reply #225 on: November 03, 2013, 05:50:38 AM »

please, like I'd need to hack his account to access any game on Steam biggrin
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« Reply #226 on: November 03, 2013, 05:51:28 AM »

You filled up your cloud storage, and are spreading ... like Lindsey Lohan's Amanda Bynes legs. Or a virus.

Why did I even say that twice?
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« Reply #227 on: November 03, 2013, 05:52:24 AM »

not sure.  you're obsessed with Lohan's virus?
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« Reply #228 on: November 03, 2013, 05:54:23 AM »

This topic is going off the rails.

Family sharing is cool. Like the Kardash... wait! I stopped myself! Doesn't COUNT!!
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« Reply #229 on: November 03, 2013, 05:54:55 AM »

off the rails!
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« Reply #230 on: November 04, 2013, 03:45:52 AM »

It seems like the dates of the Autumn and Holiday sales may have leaked from a Russian developer

  Nov 27th - Dec 3rd for the Autumn Sale
  Dec 19th - Jan 2nd for the Holiday Sale

We'll see if this is true and whether or not Valve changes anything based on it.
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« Reply #231 on: November 11, 2013, 06:58:49 PM »

In-home streaming:

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This feature will be available for beta testing later this year. Beta participants will be randomly selected from members of this group, so join, have fun, and stay tuned for more details!
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« Reply #232 on: December 19, 2013, 03:24:59 AM »

got bored of the trading card thing a few months back, so since they've just been building up in my inventory I just dumped pretty much every trading card I have on the market.  Looks like I may make enough to grab Starbound for free.
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« Reply #233 on: December 19, 2013, 04:02:06 AM »

cool, they just pushed out a new update that lets you set it to download other games while you are playing one.  You could do this before, but you had to trick the Steam client by going into the game, alt-tabbing out, and telling the paused update to pause then unpause.  now no more having to do that.
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« Reply #234 on: December 19, 2013, 03:38:48 PM »

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cool, they just pushed out a new update that lets you set it to download other games while you are playing one.  You could do this before, but you had to trick the Steam client by going into the game, alt-tabbing out, and telling the paused update to pause then unpause.  now no more having to do that.

about time.  this was one of the most annoying quirks in the client. 
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« Reply #235 on: December 23, 2013, 05:42:43 PM »

Report: Steam Allows Publishers To Crack Down On Cross-Region Gifting

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Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance comes with a new "AllowCrossRegionTradingAndGifting" tag.

Valve and Steam can try to hide (or at least, not specifically mention) things to us, but the gurus at Steam DB see all (specifically, all of the Steam database). This time, they've dug up a curious new tag attached to Konami's just-released Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance: "AllowCrossRegionTradingAndGifting". In Revengeance's case, the flag is set to "no", which means that players cannot gift or trade copies of the game to players in different regions.

For those not in the know, Steam (until now) has allowed players in different regions to trade or gift copies of games to anyone around the world. While this can be used as a sort of "loophole" to get around expensive region pricing, it has also been used in the past to get around regionally censored games, such as Left 4 Dead 2 in Australia.

only time will tell how much publishers use this flag.  Hopefully they put up warnings on the game pages if it catches on.
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« Reply #236 on: February 03, 2014, 09:21:14 PM »

Got into the streaming beta today and spun it up for a quick test over wireless. First impression was not great unfortunately. They have a nice readout of stats while you play and what I was seeing was that it was seeing my bandwidth (mbps) swing wildly from single digits up to the 50s, and it looked like the application wanted to use somewhere around 20mbps for less than HD quality. Maybe the bandwidth fluctuation has to do with my house, but I doubt it is a unique situation. The bandwidth requirement seems a bit high. So what I was getting was a combination of "slow network" and "slow decode" messages.

Vita remote play, on the other hand has worked quite well for me. I don't know what the differences are in the implementation.
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« Reply #237 on: February 03, 2014, 10:50:55 PM »

I'm in that beta but don't have a 2nd PC with HDMI out to test it with.  It would be pretty nice to try though. 

on another note, I set up the family sharing over the weekend and got to see my mom's eyes go wide when she saw my steam catalog. 
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« Reply #238 on: September 23, 2014, 12:07:06 AM »

Looks like the Steam Store page just got another major overhaul today: http://store.steampowered.com/about/newstore.  It now has some sort of personalized "Discovery Queue", customizable views, content curators and an unending scrolling list of recommendations if you keep scrolling down. 

The Discovery Queue seems very much like the Greenlight queue system in that you have a limited number of items each day to "rate" your interest in, or you can generate a new one once it's finished.
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« Reply #239 on: September 23, 2014, 03:10:51 AM »

Looks interesting, that's for sure.  It also broke every one of my scripts that I was using to quickly pull sales data.  Looks like it also deprecated/broke all of the Enhanced Steam scripts, so no more historical data until those people catch up. 
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