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« on: August 26, 2005, 07:01:29 AM »

Direct ye goggles at those:

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Japanese hardware sales for August 1 - August 7:

System - Weekly sales

1. NDS - 43,665
2. PS2 - 34,057
3. PSP - 20,571
4. GBASP - 12,107
5. NGC - 4,445
6. GBA - 419
7. XBX - 228


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Japanese software sales for August 1 - August 7:

#. Platform - Title - Publisher - This week's sales (Total sales) - Weeks on sale

1. PS2 - Winning Eleven 9 - Konami - 574,000 (NEW)
2. PS2 - Grandia III - Square Enix - 122,000 (NEW)
3. GC - Pokemon XD - Nintendo - 103,000 (NEW)
4. PS2 - Summon Night EX Thesis: Yoake no Tsubasa - Banpresto - 95,000 (NEW)
5. PS2 - Super Robot Wars Alpha 3 - Banpresto - 53,000 (523,000) - 2nd week
6. PS2 - Armored Core: Last Raven - From Software - 49,000 (NEW)
7. PS2 - Bleach - Sony - 42,000 (NEW)
8. DS - Yawaraka Atama Juku (Brain Training for Kids) - Nintendo - 28,000 (291,000) - 6th week
9. GBA - Kouchuu Ouja: Mushi King - Sega - 25,000 (425,000) - 7th week
10. DS - Power Pocket Koushien - Konami - 22,000 (NEW)


2nd week of August:

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Japanese hardware sales for August 8 - August 14:

System - Weekly sales

1. NDS - 103,095
2. PS2 - 37,041
3. PSP - 25,100
4. GBASP - 19,958
5. NGC - 3,799
6. GBA - 708
7. XBX - 202

2005 sales / Overall sales
DS - 1,382,040 / 2,877,636
PSP - 1,126,231 / 1,608,483
DS Lead - 255,809 / 1,269,153

Anyone who's followed the weekly hardware sales in Japan recently should notice a HUGE increase in DS sales. That increase (which was expected) is thanks to the release of the Smash Bros.-like Jump Superstars and the new red DS, which were both released on August 8.


That's right. You just saw the DS outselling the PS2, PSP, GBA SP, GameCube, and XBox put together.

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1. DS - Jump Superstars - Nintendo - 220,912 (NEW)
2. PS2 - Winning Eleven 9 - Konami - 102,048 (676,000) - 2nd week
3. DS - Yawaraka Atama Juku (Brain Training for Kids) - Nintendo - 46,873 (338,000) - 7th week
4. GBA - Kouchuu Ouja: Mushi King - Sega - 36,309 (461,000) - 8th week
5. GC - Pokémon XD - Nintendo - 34,108 (107,000) - 2nd week
6. PS2 - Medal of Honor: European Assault - Electronic Arts - 33,361 (NEW)
7. DS - Nou wo Kitaeru Otona no DS Training (Brain Training for Adults) - Nintendo - 30,518 (385,000) - 13th week
8. PSP - Mobile Suit Gundam: Gihren's Ambition, Blood of Zeon - Bandai - 28,460 (NEW)
9. PS2 - Grandia III - Square Enix - 27,378 (149,000) - 2nd week
10. PS2 - Super Robot Wars Alpha 3 - Banpresto - 26,567 (549,000) - 3rd week


3rd week of August:
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1. DS: 80,945 (1,462,984)
2. PS2: 33,292 (1,322,678)
3. PSP: 23,923 (1,150,150)
4. GBASP: 16,721 (483,335)
5. GC: 3,960 (148,345)
6. GBA: 822 (17,219)
7. Xbox: 263 (9,458)


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1. PS2 - Naruto: Uzumaki Ninden - Bandai - 96,000 (NEW)
2. NDS - Jump Superstars - Nintendo - 57,000 (278,000) - 2nd week
3. PS2 - Winning Eleven 9 - Konami - 56,000 (732,000) - 3rd week
4. NDS - Yawaraka Atama Juku (Brain Training for Kids) - Nintendo - 47,000 (384,000) - 8th week
5. NDS - Nou wo Kitaeru Otona no DS Training (Brain Training for Adults) - Nintendo - 38,000 (422,000) - 14th week
6. GBA - Kouchuu Ouja: Mushi King - Sega - 29,000 (490,000) - 9th week
7. GCN - Pokémon XD - Nintendo - 22,000 (159,000) - 3rd week
8. GCN - Super Mario Stadium Miracle Baseball (Mario Superstar Baseball - Nintendo - 18,000 (139,000) - 5th week
9. PS2 - Super Robot Wars Alpha 3 - Banpresto - 17,000 (566,000) - 4th week
10. PS2 - Simple 2000 Series Vol. 81: The Chikyuu Boueigun 2 - D3 Publisher - 16,000 (95,000) - 4th week


Ye naysayers can go sit in the corner. The DS is pwning right now.

SOURCE: http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/search.php?by=News&search=japan%3A+weekly
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2005, 08:30:37 AM »

Those numbers don't surprise me.  I haven't picked my PSP up in awhile, since my DS has been garnering all my portable time.  Along with the recent great DS games, there are still the old GBA games that I still play.  My PSP is within arm's reach, but it's slowly gathering a thin coat of dust. frown

I'm a bit disappointed with the PSP from a gaming standpoint.  There were the initial slew of games that were fairly good, but since launch there hasn't been anything that really stands out as being a must buy.  All the while, Nintendo is coming out with fun and innovative games.  Hopefully something great comes along for the PSP soon.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 11:46:53 AM »

I'm going to channel Devil for a moment:

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This is good news for Nintento. They are making money. Have you seen the upcoming releases for the DS?


There I feel better!

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2005, 12:40:35 PM »

I think the operative words are "The DS is pwning right now. "

If I subtract out the three weeks of august (to get July end figures), it looks like the total sales of the DS and PSP were 1,235,279 to 1,080,556.  While DS is winning, it's not an ultra-dominant victory.  I can only assume the statistical spike in the second week is coninciding with the release of Nintendogs (or some other big name game that week)

  It's unfortunate that the PSP is slowly dying because of lack of good games, but how will it sell if GTA:LC and GT4 come out and are great games? I would expect the same spike.  They won't catch up to the DS, but I think SOny did it's job of taking market control away from Nintendo (I mean, they had 100% of the handheld market 9 months ago).
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2005, 01:30:11 PM »

As stated many times before by me - I haven't bought a game since the launch titles. And I didn't even get the console at launch.

So...what is this Jump Superstars exactly? I love SSB:M, and since this new DS game is made/published by Nintendo, I should know something about it. But I don't.

Anyone care to enlighten me?
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2005, 01:34:52 PM »

While I'm chomping at the bit to declare victory and sing my own praises for jumping the PSP ship, you have to realize, the NDS was in the doldrums for awhile after its release also.  Arguably it's only just recently come into its own.

Now, if we're rolling up on February or March and the PSP's library is still boring with no gems in sight, then I'll be willing to gloat.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2005, 01:44:35 PM »

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While I'm chomping at the bit to declare victory and sing my own praises for jumping the PSP ship, you have to realize, the NDS was in the doldrums for awhile after its release also.  Arguably it's only just recently come into its own.


This is a very good point!
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2005, 01:53:22 PM »

Thanks warning!!!

If you like Bejeweled (Zoo Keeper) and Tetris (Meteos) you should be all over the DS. Being able to touch the screen makes Advance Wars 100x better too!  :wink:

I'll take my MLB and Gretzky fro the PSP... biggrin
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2005, 01:55:39 PM »

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I can only assume the statistical spike in the second week is coninciding with the release of Nintendogs (or some other big name game that week)

I'm not sure what the other big name game was but Nintendogs was released in Japan in April.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2005, 01:55:56 PM »

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If I subtract out the three weeks of august (to get July end figures), it looks like the total sales of the DS and PSP were 1,235,279 to 1,080,556.  While DS is winning, it's not an ultra-dominant victory.  I can only assume the statistical spike in the second week is coninciding with the release of Nintendogs (or some other big name game that week)

Nintendogs has been out in Japan since April.  More than likely it coincided with the fact that Jump Superstars was coming the week after that the spike in sales happened and continued through the next week when it was released.

As for Jump Superstars, here is the Nintendo Japan page for it.  It is an anime fighter and it looks like there are a lot of actual anime characters in it which means chances of it getting all the licenses and coming out over here is very small probably.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2005, 02:03:31 PM »

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Ye naysayers can go sit in the corner. The DS is pwning right now.


"right now" being the important part of that sentence.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2005, 02:41:28 PM »

The DS pwnage is limited to Japan, unfortunately. The PSP has been crushing the DS in hardware and software sales in the US since it was released. The price cut for the DS this week isn't a market share grab but is instead an attempt to stop sagging sales.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2005, 02:51:23 PM »

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The PSP has been crushing the DS in hardware and software sales in the US since it was released. The price cut for the DS this week isn't a market share grab but is instead an attempt to stop sagging sales.


This needs to be repeated:
This is good news for Nintento. They are making money. Have you seen the upcoming releases for the DS?
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2005, 02:57:20 PM »

And these numbers just really prove what we already know - it's the games that sell the systems.

You'll get early adopters (like most of us) that will buy at launch, but the majority of gamers will pick a system like the DS or PSP up when there are games they need to play on it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2005, 04:27:34 PM »

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As for Jump Superstars, here is the Nintendo Japan page for it. It is an anime fighter and it looks like there are a lot of actual anime characters in it which means chances of it getting all the licenses and coming out over here is very small probably.


I believe the characters are drawn from the incredibly popular Japanese magazine Shonen Jump.  So yeah, the likelihood of it hitting US shores is pretty low.  

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"right now" being the important part of that sentence.


So when is it going to change?  As another person disappointed in the PSP after its great launch lineup I see little of quality for the rest of year and something tells me that any significant titles for 2006 won't hit until March at the earliest.  Which will be an entire year from the PSP launch and pretty damn unforgivable.  

Yeah there is GTA:LCS but even aside from the fact that I'm not a huge GTA fan I'm not sure I trust it to be at the quality of the console versions.  A lot of potentially quality PSP games have been sunk by technical issues like insane load times (Midnight Club 3) and poor camera (Death Jr).  Since GTA was never a bastion for technical quality in its console iterations I have some concerns about the move to a different, more limited platform with only one analog controller.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2005, 06:00:35 PM »

I have the same doubts about GTA : PSP as well. Looking forward to Burnout a lot more, that's as long as I can play the game on my 1.50 PSP. I'm loving the ScummVM, and I hope to get a new mem stick next week so I can play Full Throttle and Broken Sword.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2005, 06:22:55 PM »

Man I was such a huge PSP fanboy, held off on buying it and then realized quickly that there were simply no games whatsoever that interested me-combine that with a pathetic line up for the rest of the year and I am not suprised its getting shellacked.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2005, 07:30:37 PM »

Lets flash back to last year and lets remember what some was saying about the DS then:

http://www.consolegold.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3041&highlight=nintendo


The DS is just now considered coming into its own, but it was initially launched most called the system shitty.  Give the PSP time to get some games out there before we declare a winner
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2005, 07:35:25 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2005, 07:51:44 PM »

The main problem with the PSP is that not only is the selection lean now, but the list of announced titles sucks as well.  The DS launch lineup was probably worse than the PSP, but at least it was known that good games were in development and would be released soon.  I don't have that same confidence in my PSP.

That said, I'm hoping that Burnout alone will have justified my purchase smile
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2005, 08:07:32 PM »

Personally, I don't regret my PSP purchase.  I am using it as a MP3 player and have watched movies on it. Are the games lack luster at the present?  They certainly are.  I just think that like the DS the PSP library will get much better.  Honestly, there is nothing on the horizons that I want badly.  I am going to pick up Namco Museum just for Galaga,Pac Man and Ms. Pac Man, but this isn't a must buy  just something to occupy my time.

Ymmv, I just think the PSP will be the better system in the long run
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2005, 08:13:10 PM »

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The main problem with the PSP is that not only is the selection lean now, but the list of announced titles sucks as well.  The DS launch lineup was probably worse than the PSP, but at least it was known that good games were in development and would be released soon.  I don't have that same confidence in my PSP.


That's my issue.  Both systems were lean going into E3 and then Nintendo came out and said "look at all these great titles that will be out before the end of year"  And Sony, not so much.  At the end of the holidays the PSP will be at the same point in its lifespan as the DS is now but does anyone really expect a rash of great titles in the first quarter of next year?  

I don't regret purchasing the PSP because I'm enough of a Metal Gear fanboy that MGA1&2 were enough to justify the purchase.  But I'm definitely disappointed in the relative lack of quality titles for the forseeable future.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2005, 09:54:33 PM »

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"right now" being the important part of that sentence.


So when is it going to change?

As I'm not a time traveller, I couldn't tell you.  Soon. Eventually.  Never.  One of the three.  I don't know for sure, nor do I particularly care.

But to state "PSP is owned. End of story." is just fanboy trolling (yes I realize that wasn't your quote)
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2005, 11:20:46 PM »

"I believe the characters are drawn from the incredibly popular Japanese magazine Shonen Jump. So yeah, the likelihood of it hitting US shores is pretty low. "
There's also an English version of Shonen Jump magazine, so I wouldn't think a US release of the game would be a problem.
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2005, 12:18:06 AM »

Has anyone gotten that FPS shooter for the PSP?  I can't remember the name of it.  Is it out in North America?  I saw some demos here for it in Japan.  I didn't get a chance to play it but the graphics totally "pwn" Metroid Prime.
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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2005, 12:31:52 AM »

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Has anyone gotten that FPS shooter for the PSP?  I can't remember the name of it.  Is it out in North America?  I saw some demos here for it in Japan.  I didn't get a chance to play it but the graphics totally "pwn" Metroid Prime.


You mean "Coded Arms"? It's a piece of crap, apparently. Gameplay will trump graphics every time, and I'm confident Metroid Hunters will have it (and online play besides).
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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2005, 12:32:39 AM »

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Has anyone gotten that FPS shooter for the PSP?  I can't remember the name of it.  Is it out in North America?  I saw some demos here for it in Japan.  I didn't get a chance to play it but the graphics totally "pwn" Metroid Prime.


Coded Arms.  Yes it has been released, yes it is very pretty, and (supposedly) the game itself sucks really, really bad.

EDIT: adamsappel beat me to it.
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2005, 03:25:12 AM »

So does Sony actually make money on the PSP hardware?  Since licensing games is where the real money is made you'd kinda expect Sony to be putting more effort into it.  Seems they are putting all their eggs into Take2's hands with GTA:LCS.  Here's hoping Gran Turismo kicks all kinds of ass.

I don't own either handheld but I know which one I'm leaning towards...
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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2005, 04:16:00 AM »

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So does Sony actually make money on the PSP hardware?  Since licensing games is where the real money is made you'd kinda expect Sony to be putting more effort into it.  Seems they are putting all their eggs into Take2's hands with GTA:LCS.  Here's hoping Gran Turismo kicks all kinds of ass.



The same could be said about Gamecube.  I'm sure Sony is putting plenty of effort into attracting 3rd parties to the PSP but one thing I think is a major factor is dev time and costs.  Nintendo's handhelds (including the DS) have always seemed like they would be attractive to devs because they required smaller teams and less programming time.  Since the PSP is almost as powerful as a PS2 you are looking at comparable budgets to the PS2 and that's pretty steep. It's also why it seems natural to just try and port over existing projects to help distribute the cost but I've also read some hints that Sony is putting a damper on that since they want the PSP to have its own identity with original games and not be a PortStation Portable.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2005, 05:04:04 AM »

The original poster's statement about pwnage means absolutely nothing. You are looking at the numbers for DS system during the week that Jump Superstarts was released. It features 150 very popular japanese manga characters duking it out ala Super Smash Brothers Melle.

Quoting the DS system sales numbers when a game like that is released would be akin to quoting Gamecube sales the week that Zelda was released and then declaring GC 'TEH WINNAR' for this generation of consoles.
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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2005, 06:16:02 AM »

I wouldn't worry about the PSP in the upcoming months:

You have the heavy hitter titles-

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City
GT4
Metal Gear Acid 2
Madden NFL
Need for Speed Most Wanted
Lord of the Rings:Tactics
SOCOM
Winning Eleven 9
Tiger Woods PGA
NBA 06

Plus a good lineup of "niche" titles:

Generation of Chaos (Nippon Ichi/Idea Factory)
X-Men Legends 2
Kingdom of Paradise
Tales of Eternia
Free Running
Infected
PoPoLoCrois
Armored Core: Formula Front

These are just a sample of the titles, and the release dates do vary, but Sony will probably outsell the DS by the end of this portable generation. Both systems are worth buying, but the DS just doesn't have the horsepower, potential library of new games, "cool factor" or versatility of the PSP. If there is a saving grace for the DS, it will be parents who think the PSP is too delicate for their kids.
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2005, 10:38:59 AM »

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You have the heavy hitter titles-

Mostly watered down PS2 games, or Lord of the Ring games from EA which have yet to be good.

My biggest problem with the PSP, its all PS2 games with long loading times, sloppy controls, and a bunch of content missing.

So far, at least the DS has some good franchises that aren't direct copies right from the Gamecube, like Advance Wars.

I think its going to take a while for PS2/Sony developers to really figure out what a good handheld game is, while Nintendo's developers already know.  The PSP hardware is awesome though.
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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2005, 03:14:31 PM »

Well and the PSP is now roughly twice as expensive as the DS.  That's one of the factors for me going with the DS.  Drop the price $50-$80 and we'll talk.

Right now you can basically buy two DS's for the price of a PSP and play multiplayer wirelessly with your spouse, friend, kid, etc.

I like the idea of the PSP but I worry about it being second priority for Sony as they try to deal with the Xbox 360.
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Maybe Sony should release "PSPeeDogs"
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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2005, 06:25:37 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2005, 06:45:59 PM »

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Well and the PSP is now roughly twice as expensive as the DS.  That's one of the factors for me going with the DS.  Drop the price $50-$80 and we'll talk.

Right now you can basically buy two DS's for the price of a PSP and play multiplayer wirelessly with your spouse, friend, kid, etc.

I like the idea of the PSP but I worry about it being second priority for Sony as they try to deal with the Xbox 360.


This is a huge downside for Sony in my book-the lack of games is bad, but being twice as expensive as Nintendo's system with lots of decent games is the killer for me.
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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2005, 01:28:37 AM »

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So far, at least the DS has some good franchises that aren't direct copies right from the Gamecube, like Advance Wars.


You're right!

Advance Wars is copy of a GBA game.
Wario Ware is a copy of a GBA game.
Mario is a copy of an N64 game.
Zoo Keeper is a copy of Bejeweled.
Meteos is a copy of Tetris.
Nintedogs is a copy of Tamagotchi.
Mr. Driller is a copy of a Dreamcast game.

You've got Yoshi and Kirby which are old characters but new games...

Leaving you with 'Feel the Magic' as your only completely original game!

(I'm sure I left stuff out)

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« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2005, 01:59:29 AM »

Meteos is nothing like Tetris, absolutely NOTHING like tetris, unless you think all games with blocks falling from the top of the screens are tetris clones.

Meteos plays completely different from Tetris.

Otherwise your point it solid, for now.

Looking out, the DS library is strong with original titles as well as franchises and games based off of genre standards. It's still more interesting at this point and time than the PSP's.

I think the point right now is that the DS has portable games that are great as portable games, while the PSP's games are great, but not so much for those who want the ease of a portable.
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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2005, 02:59:50 PM »

It's all about the price for me.  I'm willing to buy a portable system for the price of a DS.  I'm not for the PSP's price.
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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2005, 04:24:32 PM »

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So far, at least the DS has some good franchises that aren't direct copies right from the Gamecube, like Advance Wars.


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Leaving you with 'Feel the Magic' as your only completely original game!

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I think his point might have been that while the DS has a lot of games based on previous franchises on the console/GBA, Mario DS is really the only one that is a straight port (and even then features a lot of enhancements/minigames).

The PSP, however, contains a ton of straight ports of games with the only enhancements being much longer load times and/or scaled down graphics (Midnight Club 3, NBA Street, NFL Street, Tiger Woods, THUG2, Need4Speed, etc).  Don't get me wrong- I love my PSP (and I'm not one of those emulator freaks either Cool ), but I think the point of original games is very valid one.

That said, there are some good PSP games coming up that are based off of console franchises but are being streamlined for the PSP (Burnout Legends, Tiger Woods'06).
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