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« Reply #240 on: April 28, 2008, 11:11:01 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on April 28, 2008, 11:09:57 PM

So tell me, how do you do a video game hooker giving a handjob NOT poorly?

Please, inquiring minds want to know. Even real handjobs looks pretty silly from an artistic perspective.

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« Reply #241 on: April 28, 2008, 11:11:46 PM »

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I don't mind sex in video games. 

Yes, you obviously do. All the statements about demarcation lines and artistic value are a bunch of face-saving excuses for the fact that you are offended by sexual acts in a video game. You and gellar are honestly going to sit here and act like you'd be totally 100% for handjobs if they were part of a well-thought out storyline? Sorry, but I call bullshit on that.

If, for the sake of argument, it was true that you two would support sex in a video game if handled "correctly" according to your artistic standards, your very actions of decrying sex in a video game, even if it is tasteless in your eyes, practically ensures that no video game will ever be ABLE to have artistically sound sexual scenes. Because by your actions, you are saying that sexual scenes in a video game are wrong, thus closing the door forever on any "right" way to do it in the future.

Sorry, but the hypocrisy of this is making me ill. You two seemingly have no problem murdering people in cold blood in a game, EXPLICITLY, with blood and flailing bodies, but a SIMULATED sex act that is softer than softcore porn on late night Cinemax gets you riled? Unbelievable.

At any rate, whatever. You are free to spend your money and play the game however you wish. But I expect the same privilege. So the first thing I'm doing when I fire up the game is hit the strip club, go grab three hookers, and get a virtual BJ in PeteRock and gellar's honor. 


Face-saving excuses?  Please.  Why do you find the inclusion of sex, in all forms, to be inherent to mature gameplay?  I see no more reason to include virtual hand-jobs in an action game then real hand-jobs in an action film.  It's pointless.  Why do you deem it necessary?  Because it is your right?  Or in the noble name of virtual freedom?  I see your vehement defense of sex in video games as a face-saving excuse for your own perversion.    

Both gellar and I found the inclusion of hand-jobs to be in poor taste.  It is your vehement defense of said content that is doing the riling.  Not the actual game content itself.  We just don't find it necessary.  But I've been proven wrong in that there apparently is a commercial need for virtual hand-jobs.  Fortunately those demanding complete sexual virtual freedom will be pleased with this next GTA IV offering.  But wait, if you can't actually get her drunk and......well, perhaps that will be the next outcry.  
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« Reply #242 on: April 28, 2008, 11:14:13 PM »

Can we set up a MP mode where one group tries to pick up the hookers and escort them off the map while the other group tries to stop them?
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« Reply #243 on: April 28, 2008, 11:14:48 PM »

Quote from: depward on April 28, 2008, 11:03:36 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on April 28, 2008, 10:42:54 PM

Enjoy the virtual hand-jobs you so desparately covet.  I just don't see why they're necessary and inherent to the preservation of virtual freedom and mature gameplay. 

I saw what you did there.  Basically, you first ended with "Maybe when you're old enough to drive you'll understand my speeding example above."  Classy.  Glad you edited it up.

And yet even after I realized my mistake and took corrective action you felt the need to belabor the fact.  Even classier.  
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« Reply #244 on: April 28, 2008, 11:15:24 PM »

Quote from: PeteRock on April 28, 2008, 11:14:48 PM

Quote from: depward on April 28, 2008, 11:03:36 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on April 28, 2008, 10:42:54 PM

Enjoy the virtual hand-jobs you so desparately covet.  I just don't see why they're necessary and inherent to the preservation of virtual freedom and mature gameplay. 

I saw what you did there.  Basically, you first ended with "Maybe when you're old enough to drive you'll understand my speeding example above."  Classy.  Glad you edited it up.

And yet even after I realized my mistake and took corrective action you felt the need to belabor the fact.  Even classier. 

Seems like something really has gotten your panties in a bunch today, friend...
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« Reply #245 on: April 28, 2008, 11:18:43 PM »

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Quote from: PeteRock on April 28, 2008, 11:14:48 PM

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Enjoy the virtual hand-jobs you so desparately covet.  I just don't see why they're necessary and inherent to the preservation of virtual freedom and mature gameplay. 

I saw what you did there.  Basically, you first ended with "Maybe when you're old enough to drive you'll understand my speeding example above."  Classy.  Glad you edited it up.

And yet even after I realized my mistake and took corrective action you felt the need to belabor the fact.  Even classier. 

Seems like something really has gotten your panties in a bunch today, friend...

If you found your comment to be humorous, then we share a different understanding of humor.  I made a mistake and inadvertantly delved into a subtle personal attack due to frustration with the conversation at hand, and you felt the need to ensure that my mistake would be viewed, perhaps in order to continue to fan the flames?  Who knows.  It has nothing to do with panties.  Just a lack of appreciation for your antics.
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« Reply #246 on: April 28, 2008, 11:22:29 PM »

Quote from: PeteRock on April 28, 2008, 11:18:43 PM

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Enjoy the virtual hand-jobs you so desparately covet.  I just don't see why they're necessary and inherent to the preservation of virtual freedom and mature gameplay. 

I saw what you did there.  Basically, you first ended with "Maybe when you're old enough to drive you'll understand my speeding example above."  Classy.  Glad you edited it up.

And yet even after I realized my mistake and took corrective action you felt the need to belabor the fact.  Even classier. 

Seems like something really has gotten your panties in a bunch today, friend...

If you found your comment to be humorous, then we share a different understanding of humor.  I made a mistake and inadvertantly delved into a subtle personal attack due to frustration with the conversation at hand, and you felt the need to ensure that my mistake would be viewed, perhaps in order to continue to fan the flames?  Who knows.  It has nothing to do with panties.  Just a lack of appreciation for your antics.

Not trying to be humorous, honestly seems like something really set you off today.  Deeeep breaths...
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« Reply #247 on: April 28, 2008, 11:22:47 PM »

The thing I just can't grasp, is how we can have an argument about a game's content when
1. Neither side has seen how the content fits into the overall story of the game.
2. Neither side is willing to vote for or against this content with their wallet.

By the way, this is neither a vote for or against either side.
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« Reply #248 on: April 28, 2008, 11:27:30 PM »

Quote from: happydog on April 28, 2008, 11:22:47 PM

The thing I just can't grasp, is how we can have an argument about a game's content when
1. Neither side has seen how the content fits into the overall story of the game.
2. Neither side is willing to vote for or against this content with their wallet.

By the way, this is neither a vote for or against either side.
Hi, my name is Sweden.

True that.  It's truly a "who cares" sort of thing.

That being said, I'll definitely write what my thoughts were about receiving a virtual BJ / handjob in my impressions... which will most likely be a lack of fulfillment but at least I got my virtual money back by running her over.
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« Reply #249 on: April 28, 2008, 11:29:25 PM »

Well again, I don't think this should be censored in any way.  People can put whatever the fuck they want in things and so long as there is a reasonable idea of what to expect, it's fine from a general public perspective.  It's certainly not something that's going to keep me from buying and enjoying the game.

It's just for me, that part of the game is embarrassing.  It's certainly not something I'd want the girlfriend seeing (cause she'd rightfully laugh at me for it) and like I said, not something I'd want to discuss with what I consider normal human beings.  It's in poor taste and poor execution.  It seems forced and awkward.  I think that's the problem American society has with sex - there's one side that's so afraid of it they don't want it anywhere and there's another side who shoves it in anyplace they can to piss off the other side.  Neither views are healthy.  Sex isn't something you should be afraid of nor should you shove the content in where it doesn't belong.  It's an adult topic that should (and can be!) treated as such.  Video games just haven't figured out how to do that yet.

It doesn't make you any more mature or progressive to have a fuckawful representation of sexual acts in a video game.  It makes you a fucking cad.

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« Reply #250 on: April 28, 2008, 11:34:31 PM »

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If, for the sake of argument, it was true that you two would support sex in a video game if handled "correctly" according to your artistic standards, your very actions of decrying sex in a video game, even if it is tasteless in your eyes, practically ensures that no video game will ever be ABLE to have artistically sound sexual scenes
  and we have a winner, thank god some people get it.
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« Reply #251 on: April 28, 2008, 11:41:33 PM »

Quote from: depward on April 28, 2008, 11:22:29 PM

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Enjoy the virtual hand-jobs you so desparately covet.  I just don't see why they're necessary and inherent to the preservation of virtual freedom and mature gameplay. 

I saw what you did there.  Basically, you first ended with "Maybe when you're old enough to drive you'll understand my speeding example above."  Classy.  Glad you edited it up.

And yet even after I realized my mistake and took corrective action you felt the need to belabor the fact.  Even classier. 

Seems like something really has gotten your panties in a bunch today, friend...

If you found your comment to be humorous, then we share a different understanding of humor.  I made a mistake and inadvertantly delved into a subtle personal attack due to frustration with the conversation at hand, and you felt the need to ensure that my mistake would be viewed, perhaps in order to continue to fan the flames?  Who knows.  It has nothing to do with panties.  Just a lack of appreciation for your antics.

Not trying to be humorous, honestly seems like something really set you off today.  Deeeep breaths...

Lack of reading comprehension and misrepresentation of my point of view is a start.  Followed by suggestions that finding virtual hand-jobs unnecessary is on-par with being a sexual prude.  Or how about accusations of hypocrisy.  But perhaps most of my frustration stems from my inability to realize one great truth:



I find the sexual content in GTA IV to be a bit silly and somewhat forced.  And I find it embarassing because of perception.  Video games have a particular stigma associated with them, and juvenile presentations of virtual hand-jobs does nothing to help matters.  Feeling no sense of embarassment while showing your significant other your ability to solicit a virtual hand-job doesn't make you sexually progressive.  It makes you look like a socially inept ass and continues to maintain the video gamer stereotype.  However some apparently find it inherent to mature gameplay.  Married life does funny things to the male psyche.  Who am I kidding.  I'll be the first in line for a virtual hand-job.

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If, for the sake of argument, it was true that you two would support sex in a video game if handled "correctly" according to your artistic standards, your very actions of decrying sex in a video game, even if it is tasteless in your eyes, practically ensures that no video game will ever be ABLE to have artistically sound sexual scenes
  and we have a winner, thank god some people get it.

We're talking about virtual hand-jobs in a game rife with criticism.  This isn't immature or in poor taste given the context?  We have obviously reached a discord.  I anxiously await the ability to torture little children to make up for all of the years of listening to their whining and cries at public restaurants.  Perhaps in an expansion pack?  After all, why have any standards when it comes to free-roaming gameplay.  I am merely looking for the same level of freedom as our sexually progressive members. 
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« Reply #252 on: April 28, 2008, 11:44:42 PM »

well this thread got interesting fast. I'll just say. Meh.

I don't care about sex, violence, drugs or anything in games. Unless the game is crap, then I won't be getting the game anyways. I guess either I'm desensitized or just don't care. Either way, there still no difference between simulating sex and simulating murder. Both have their cons and pros in different people's eyes. I Just want to see gaming mature as we as gamers are maturing.

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« Reply #253 on: April 28, 2008, 11:52:30 PM »

Is there going to be a new thread for the actual impressions?

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« Reply #254 on: April 28, 2008, 11:54:23 PM »

Yeah we totally need a 3rd thread on this game.

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« Reply #255 on: April 28, 2008, 11:55:05 PM »

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Is there going to be a new thread for the actual impressions?



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« Reply #256 on: April 29, 2008, 12:01:20 AM »

I understand Gellar's point of view, and I agree. Even in movies sometimes you will come across a scene, whether it be a sex scene, an act of violence, or just a bad line of dialogue, which I feel was done poorly and wish it were edited out (and often times in the director's cut it is). However, these few embarrassingly bad moments are not enough reason for me to want the movie to have never seen the light of day as much as wishing the scene had just been left out. I haven't watched the videos on YouTube of Niko getting hand jobs or blow jobs but if they were done poorly (like if Niko's penis has a lot of jaggies or is blocky or perhaps the hooker simply says some stupid shit) I probably would not argue against the sentiment that the game would have been better off without those activities. As far as the game on a general level having such sexual content, it's quite frankly what I expect in a Mature rated game about criminals and those living within a lower economic bracket.

BTW I can't get ANY friggin homework done because of this game, can't focus...  retard
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« Reply #257 on: April 29, 2008, 12:02:55 AM »

Quote from: leo8877 on April 28, 2008, 11:52:30 PM

Is there going to be a new thread for the actual impressions?



Yes. I deemed that it would be so a few pages back.  Whomever gets it first, gets to start it.
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« Reply #258 on: April 29, 2008, 12:16:33 AM »

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« Reply #259 on: April 29, 2008, 12:38:54 AM »

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And I find it embarassing because of perception.  Video games have a particular stigma associated with them, and juvenile presentations of virtual hand-jobs does nothing to help matters. 
This.

I can certainly agree with this sentiment, and I do.  The only caveat that would allow me to purchase it and enjoy the game is the fact that I am sure you can play the entire game and do 99.99999 percent of what everyone else does in the game and never ever once solicit a hooker.  Just pretend they don't exist, don't think about em, don't seek them out, and enjoy. 

Surely no one has heard that you MUST go ahookering to complete the game.
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« Reply #260 on: April 29, 2008, 12:41:00 AM »

Quote from: ATB on April 29, 2008, 12:02:55 AM

Quote from: leo8877 on April 28, 2008, 11:52:30 PM

Is there going to be a new thread for the actual impressions?



Yes. I deemed that it would be so a few pages back.  Whomever gets it first, gets to start it.

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« Reply #261 on: April 29, 2008, 12:43:48 AM »

getting my copy at midnight.  will be selling virtual hand jobs near the liberty city statue if anyone wants some late night fun...
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« Reply #262 on: April 29, 2008, 12:47:52 AM »

Quote from: hepcat on April 29, 2008, 12:43:48 AM

getting my copy at midnight.  will be selling virtual hand jobs near the liberty city statue if anyone wants some late night fun...

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« Reply #263 on: April 29, 2008, 12:50:43 AM »

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Quote from: hepcat on April 29, 2008, 12:43:48 AM

getting my copy at midnight.  will be selling virtual hand jobs near the liberty city statue if anyone wants some late night fun...

how much?  icon_twisted

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« Reply #264 on: April 29, 2008, 12:53:46 AM »

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This isn't immature or in poor taste given the context?  We have obviously reached a discord.  I anxiously await the ability to torture little children to make up for all of the years of listening to their whining and cries at public restaurants.
  equating handjobs with child killing, me thinks someone needs to go see a shrink. Slppery slope arguements always crack me up..
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« Reply #265 on: April 29, 2008, 12:59:23 AM »



My goodness, can we just all agree to take our disagreements to the drunken New York City bus racing track, and/or the drunken helicopter demolition derby?  This is like a Christmas Eve argument about elf slave labor and Santa's risk factors for diabetes and heart disease.  crybaby
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« Reply #266 on: April 29, 2008, 01:11:26 AM »

What can Brown do for you?  STEAL YOUR COPY!! icon_eek crybaby
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« Reply #267 on: April 29, 2008, 01:12:33 AM »

that makes me want to go out and car jack a Brown truck!
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« Reply #268 on: April 29, 2008, 01:16:24 AM »

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the Sopranos had sex scenes all the time, BECAUSE it helps fill out the under world these people live in. Hookers. strip clubs are a very real plot device.  These people like Nico, dont go home and have a Beaver Cleaver lifestyle. 

It is all a part of their world.  Again to say that sex is bad, but running people over for fun is OK is hypocritical.
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but why do you feel the need to advocate virtual sex when it is handled in such a crass and immature manner?
  how do you think it really happens in real life? how is it different and immature.  A john cruises, locates a hooker, drives to an out of the way place, discusses price, gets off, pay.  So how is this game different from real life.

FYi. I dont frequent hookers but I live in the city and its pretty obvious how this goes down.

So in real life would you hide around a corner and watch this happen?
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« Reply #269 on: April 29, 2008, 01:16:53 AM »

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This isn't immature or in poor taste given the context?  We have obviously reached a discord.  I anxiously await the ability to torture little children to make up for all of the years of listening to their whining and cries at public restaurants.
  equating handjobs with child killing, me thinks someone needs to go see a shrink. Slppery slope arguements always crack me up..

Read the entire post from which you extracted this quote to develop a better understanding of the context, as you've missed it once again.  Seriously.  Read first, then post.  Perhaps even allow the words to sink in for a bit.  And perhaps then you may gain a better understanding of my perspective, as right now you haven't got a clue.
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« Reply #270 on: April 29, 2008, 01:16:57 AM »

I just oppose censorship. Rockstar made the game, they made the choice of putting in virtual handjobs, and it should be my choice whether or not I A) buy the game as an adult and B) participate in said virtual handjobs as an adult. I don't want some morality police swooping in and telling me what is and what isn't in good taste, or what should and what shouldn't be in the game. You think virtual handjobs are tasteless. Fine. Joe Blow over here thinks shooting people in the head is tasteless. Sally Sue thinks running old ladies over with a car is tasteless. What happens when developers start caring what everybody thinks? We'll all be playing Jesus Babies or Barbie Horse Adventure.

I'm certainly not going to sit in my living room and get off on the PG-rated sex scenes I'm seeing on the screen. I'm married. I can have the real thing anytime I want, with a hell of a lot more interactivity. Whether it's virtual handjobs or taking a dump, I don't care what it is. What I care about is censorship, and other people imposing their values on a product that everyone is free to buy. What makes it even more maddening is that the behavior is completely optional, and yet some of you are still up in arms about it. So now you're not only supporting the notion of imposing your morality on my product, you're supporting the notion even though the controversial behavior is something you as a consumer don't even have to participate in! Unbelievable.

But let's hear what RockstarNorth President Leslie Benzies has to say on the subject:

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Lashing anti-video game critics, he said “There is a big fear factor here. It’s the coming of the railways, it’s Elvis shaking his hips. It’s cars going over 25 miles per hour and making people explode.” 

He also questions why games get different treatment to other media, observing “We wanted to make a horror game [Manhunt] that would scare you in the same way a film would. It doesn’t seem to me to be any worse than a film. If it’s a film or a book, you can do what you want. We seem to be in a different category.”


A-MEN brother. This isn't about slipping in a virtual handjob and tee-heeing about it like a school kid. It's about giving a big middle finger to censorship supporters who for years have tried to keep video games from becoming as legitimate form of artistry and entertainment as movie and television. It's high time this double standard came to an end.
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« Reply #271 on: April 29, 2008, 01:19:25 AM »

I have not seen a single person in this thread say that it should be removed from the game.  We just think it's massively dumb.

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« Reply #272 on: April 29, 2008, 01:21:12 AM »

Quote from: YellowKing on April 29, 2008, 01:16:57 AM

A-MEN brother. This isn't about slipping in a virtual handjob and tee-heeing about it like a school kid. It's about giving a big middle finger to censorship supporters who for years have tried to keep video games from becoming as legitimate form of artistry and entertainment as movie and television. It's high time this double standard came to an end.

Just so I can get this straight.

You believe that putting D level softcore pornography in a game is the path to making gaming a legitimate form of artistry and entertainment?

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« Reply #273 on: April 29, 2008, 01:22:20 AM »

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What can Brown do for you?  STEAL YOUR COPY!! icon_eek crybaby

That's funny... so long as it's not my copy they are stealing.

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« Reply #274 on: April 29, 2008, 01:25:19 AM »

Quote from: gellar on April 29, 2008, 01:19:25 AM

I have not seen a single person in this thread say that it should be removed from the game.  We just think it's massively dumb.

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Easy.  He may hurt himself if he slips from his soap box.  Apparently virtual hand-jobs and softcore porn are the perfect forms of sexual progression necessary to bring virtual media up to the same level as film and television.   retard
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« Reply #275 on: April 29, 2008, 01:41:29 AM »

Criticism, mockery, ridicule, disagreement, condemnation =/= censorship. 

For instance, if I should say that I find PeteRock's "arguing on the internet" pic to be far more embarrassing, obnoxious, pathetic and juvenile than imaginary videogame hooker handjobs, I have not censored PeteRock in any manner that any reasonable adult should care about.  Pete Rock is a big boy and can tell me to fuck off if he disagrees.  If he can't handle me criticizing his chosen form of discourse he'd be better off wandering out of the marketplace of ideas before he falls down and gets an owie.  But I know that PeteRock is far too FABULOUS to make that argument.
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« Reply #276 on: April 29, 2008, 02:01:56 AM »

wow.  what a dumb move.  were they not expecting this kind of gameplay to get their names in the papers? and during a FN election year for chrissakes with someone running who has already taken a stance against this sort of thing.  you know, there's something that R* lacks and that's subtlety.  they may have just shot themselves in the foot again and got the whole industry to fall under the government thumb, "for the kids sake". 

irresponsible A holes.  this may be the greatest game ever made, and i'm more excited for this than any game in the last few years, but jesus peter chris, you don't throw this shit out there and not expect to be scrutinized.  or did you not learn the lesson after having to re-release san andreas on the goddamn ps2 for a mod 99% of people wouldn't know how to activate. 

as i felt just after the hot coffee mod was found, i'm expecting a clusterfuck of raging media news whores espousing the dangers of letting game companies police themselves. 
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« Reply #277 on: April 29, 2008, 02:15:22 AM »

Man, that video is embarrassing. Luckily, I won't have to do that in the game.

I can't believe people in here would think that it is edgy or "pushing boundaries." It's more juvenile than Porkies, for god's sake!

And being a prude has nothing to do with it. I think porn is a-ok! All kinds of porn. In fact, we shouldn't get into it.
What I don't like is, as gellar keeps saying, when ANYTHING is done poorly. Like the sex-scene at the end of Munich. I love the sex, hate the horrible scene that ruined the movie.

In GTA3 I thought the sex was funny, because both parties just sat there, and then the car started bouncing. Funny! This? Just stupid. So stupid.
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« Reply #278 on: April 29, 2008, 02:53:05 AM »

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Apparently virtual hand-jobs and softcore porn are the perfect forms of sexual progression necessary to bring virtual media up to the same level as film and television.

Of course I'm not saying they're the perfect progression. I'm saying that if you censor this, you lock the door on any kind of sexual material in games. You're basically undermining the whole ESRB rating system, because you're saying "I don't care if this game has a mature-rating and clearly states that it contains sexual content; developers should not put that garbage in there in the first place." It's not up to YOU to decide what an artist (in this case, the developer) puts into their game, as long as what they put into the game falls within the boundaries of the law. Whether it's a virtual handjob or not is irrelevant - if your morality is allowed to dictate what is in a game, then Jack Thompson's morality is going to be allowed to dictate what is in a game.

And I obviously realize none of you have called for the removal of the material from the game. And you all will be buying it and playing it despite your objections. But your attitudes are indicative of mainstream media who label games as juvenile and cringe whenever an adult topic is put into a game. Again, I find the hypocrisy amusing and neither of you have really explained it. How is running over innocent pedestrians within the boundaries of good taste again? How does it contribute to the storyline and overall artistry of the game? Why is violence getting a free pass here? How do you reconcile that double standard?

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wow.  what a dumb move.  were they not expecting this kind of gameplay to get their names in the papers? and during a FN election year for chrissakes with someone running who has already taken a stance against this sort of thing.  you know, there's something that R* lacks and that's subtlety.  they may have just shot themselves in the foot again and got the whole industry to fall under the government thumb, "for the kids sake".

Expecting it? I imagine they were *counting* on it. Every time this game makes the papers, they'll sell a gazillion more copies. It won't fall under the government thumb; we still have a little thing called freedom of speech in this country. Politicians love to talk about "protecting the kids from videogames" because it makes their parents vote for them and sounds good on the news. In reality, they can't do jack shit about it, and Rockstar knows it.
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« Reply #279 on: April 29, 2008, 02:59:42 AM »

Quote from: Caine on April 29, 2008, 02:01:56 AM

i'm expecting raging media news whores espousing the dangers of letting game companies police themselves. 
And that, is exactly the problem with it.  They did it to fire up the conservatives.  Well, grab a bull by the horns...
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