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« Reply #200 on: April 28, 2008, 08:40:45 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on April 28, 2008, 08:31:54 PM

It's an optional part of the gameplay. If you find virtual handjobs crude or poorly handled, then don't do it. This game is about creating as close to a virtual world as possible, and allowing players to act out things they would not do in real life. Allowing people to shoot other people in the head, run over old ladies, etc. but God forbid get a virtual handjob from a hooker because it might be considered obscene is pure absurdity.

I understand where you guys are coming from, but it's unfortunate that you don't recognize that you have been indoctrinated from birth to believe that violence in media is acceptable and sex is not. Thanks, FCC! The USA truly is the land of liberty and freedom, as long as it doesn't involve showing your naughty parts. Utter insanity. Let's not forget that this is the same country that routinely watches 250+ pound men violently clashing against each other in the Superbowl, but pitched a shit-fit when Janet Jackson accidentally flashed a nipple-covered boob. The hypocrisy is so deep it's comical.

People like you guys railing against this game are what will ensure that future generations will suffer from the same artificially constructed prudism that the USA has flaunted for decades.

 

I think you are missing the point, but I care not to rewrite it.  Read Pete's post again.  Or maybe read just this part of it:

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A perfect example.  Have any of you seen The Matador?  I enjoyed the film as a whole, but there were two or three instances when the film cut to fairly explicit sex scenes that were so jarring and out of place that it was like being slapped in the face by a rogue ninja boob you never saw coming.  In each and every instance I was jarred out of the story and immediately thought to myself, "WTF just happened?"  And then they were back to the story. icon_confused

But then I think about History of Violence and how the sex scenes were just as much a part of the story as the violence.  They were important to what the filmmakers wanted to get across to the audience and I had no problem with it.

My point is context, not necessarily content.

We've got no problems with T&A.  I've just got problems with BAD T&A.  The video was so comically bad.  Of course, that is just my opinion.

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« Reply #201 on: April 28, 2008, 08:43:34 PM »

Quote from: Arclight on April 28, 2008, 08:18:05 PM

I could care less about how this post is viewed or judged. I think the whole sex in games issues is silly and childish. So you want to show breasts and video characters performing sex acts? To get this you need a mature rating...Well from my perspective its mainly the ones who aren't old enough to view this kind of thing that want it the most.

Who in the World seriously gets turned on by video game nudity? And what does it add to game play?
So developers put the crap in that will draw attention to their game and cause parents fits of worry about what their billy or Sue is seeing and interacting with.

Here's a suggestion...Just leave it out. Its not the place for it. Its not needed. Its not based on game-play but on generating pre-adult buzz to make money.

100% agree. 
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« Reply #202 on: April 28, 2008, 08:43:57 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on April 28, 2008, 08:31:54 PM

Let's not forget that this is the same country that routinely watches 250+ pound men violently clashing against each other in the Superbowl, but pitched a shit-fit when Janet Jackson accidentally flashed a nipple-covered boob. The hypocrisy is so deep it's comical.

Keep in mind that in this case I had the same perspective, which you seem to be misunderstanding.  I don't have a problem with "teh b00bi3z", but I thought that the "wardrobe malfunction" simply wasn't necessary.  I found the media attention to be excessive and ridiculous, but the incident was unnecessary and simply for shock value.  I didn't see a need for it.  But I also didn't get all bent out of shape and go on an anti-sex tirade.  I just simply thought, "What was the point?"  In terms of the media attention I agree with you 100%.  Our society is a bit prudish to begin with, but don't mistake my viewing virtual hand-jobs as unnecessary as being a rally cry against sex in general.

I am not rallying against GTA IV.  I simply don't see a need for the ability to solicit sexual acts and then watch them carried out in a virtual world.  Will I buy the game and play the everloving hell out of it?  Abso-fucking-lutely.  But to view my opinion that some of the gameplay elements or a bit unnecessary and immature as being a rally cry against a mature game is a bit much.
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« Reply #203 on: April 28, 2008, 08:45:12 PM »

What else about the game isn't comically bad?

The violence, the people, everything in GTA has been comically bad, that was one of the points about the game.

You're going to play a game known for covering criminals, and handling everything in a comically immature way with lots of killing.

Our point is that you're complaining about something that if you're offended by this, you probably shouldn't play it.  I mean, you don't even have to go around doing hookers.  It's just a stupid thing that's in there.
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« Reply #204 on: April 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM »

Well, if the rest of the dialogue in the game is as piss poor as the hooker scene dialogue... I will probably not play the game.

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« Reply #205 on: April 28, 2008, 08:49:56 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on April 28, 2008, 08:45:12 PM

Our point is that you're complaining about something that if you're offended by this, you probably shouldn't play it.  I mean, you don't even have to go around doing hookers.

No one claimed offense.

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EXACTLY! 
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« Reply #206 on: April 28, 2008, 08:51:20 PM »

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM

Well, if the rest of the dialogue in the game is as piss poor as the hooker scene dialogue... I will probably not play the game.

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LOL,c'mon,thats bullshit and you know it!! disgust
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« Reply #207 on: April 28, 2008, 08:52:07 PM »

and so people find the cursing to be childish, and some people find the ability to run down innocent pedestrians as childish ( by the way what does that have to do with the plot), some people who have been carjacked, find that whole ability to be offensive,. Some people find the ability to kill cops very offensive, people find drunk driving offensive and immature.  Some people find the abiliy to drink at all to be chilidish.

Lets see following Gellar and rock lead, this would be one helluva boring game.

Its about freedom,  and it you dont think sex and drugs is a part of a lifestyle depicted in this game,  I would love to know what planet you re living on.
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« Reply #208 on: April 28, 2008, 08:54:10 PM »

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It's just a stupid thing that's in there.

EXACTLY! 

and Rockstar is just the premiere video game maker in the world, and they obviously disagree. and  I think they know a heeluva lot more about game making then you do, as their balance sheet shows.
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« Reply #209 on: April 28, 2008, 08:55:09 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 28, 2008, 08:51:20 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM

Well, if the rest of the dialogue in the game is as piss poor as the hooker scene dialogue... I will probably not play the game.

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LOL,c'mon,thats bullshit and you know it!! disgust

No seriously.  The game is supposed to have an excellent story, dialogue, and voice acting.  Everything I've seen outside of that video supports that case.  That video?  Not so much.

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« Reply #210 on: April 28, 2008, 08:56:41 PM »

Quote from: TC Weidner on April 28, 2008, 08:52:07 PM

and so people find the cursing to be childish, and some people find the ability to run down innocent pedestrians as childish ( by the way what does that have to do with the plot), some people who have been carjacked, find that whole ability to be offensive,. Some people find the ability to kill cops very offensive, people find drunk driving offensive and immature.  Some people find the abiliy to drink at all to be chilidish.

Lets see following Gellar and rock lead, this would be one helluva boring game.

Its about freedom,  and it you dont think sex and drugs is a part of a lifestyle depicted in this game,  I would love to know what planet you re living on.



The point:     .




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« Reply #211 on: April 28, 2008, 08:57:01 PM »

Quote from: TC Weidner on April 28, 2008, 08:54:10 PM

and Rockstar is just the premiere video game maker in the world, and they obviously disagree. and  I think they know a heeluva lot more about game making then you do, as their balance sheet shows.

When did this become about making attacks on someone's knowledge of the videogame industry?
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« Reply #212 on: April 28, 2008, 09:01:59 PM »

my friend it is you that do not get the point. The whole game can be called cheesy and or offensive, to pick out one instance of it is missing the whole point of the freedom of this game.
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« Reply #213 on: April 28, 2008, 09:05:13 PM »

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When did this become about making attacks on someone's knowledge of the videogame industry?
you think this exact topic wasnt discussed in a design meeting At Rockstar?  so by saying that inclusion of this freedom was wrong, is saying you know more than the designers of arguably the most successful game ever.
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« Reply #214 on: April 28, 2008, 09:05:55 PM »

Sure am glad the 2 GTA posts weren't merged now.
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« Reply #215 on: April 28, 2008, 09:08:04 PM »

Quote from: PointerOO on April 28, 2008, 09:05:55 PM

Sure am glad the 2 GTA posts weren't merged now.

To be fair, though, people have been posting impressions since the prostitute video was posted!
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« Reply #216 on: April 28, 2008, 09:14:57 PM »

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you think this exact topic wasnt discussed in a design meeting At Rockstar?  so by saying that inclusion of this freedom was wrong, is saying you know more than the designers of arguably the most successful game ever.

I like how you refer to the ability to flag down a hooker and request a hand job as a "freedom".  I, nor anyone else for that matter, has said anything to the fact that this was not discussed at R*.  Do you honestly believe that the developers at R* put this "freedom", as you so refer to it, was included for anything other than notoriety and a cheap gag?  I'd be willing to put some money on that bet.  That's the point that I, and I think, gellar and Pete have been trying to make.  Oh, and that we are embarrassed by it.
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« Reply #217 on: April 28, 2008, 09:19:00 PM »

and the strippers, and the clubs, and the plot lines around these things, all just gags? Prostitutes have been part of the whole series. SEX, drugs, violence, that is what makes up the underworld.  According to you we should have what?  just some violence?   yeah great immersion there.
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« Reply #218 on: April 28, 2008, 09:19:25 PM »

soooooo......  GTA IV BOOBIES DEAD HOOKERS SOON YAY!!!!!!!
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« Reply #219 on: April 28, 2008, 09:21:05 PM »

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and the strippers, and the clubs, and the plot lines around these things, all just gags? Prostitutes have been part of the whole series. SEX, drugs, violence, that is what makes up the underworld.  According to you we should have what?  just some violence?   yeah great immersion there.

Seriously dude.  Have you even read any of the previous posts?  You're just arguing for argument's sake.  Enjoy the game.  I will, and so will everyone else.
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« Reply #220 on: April 28, 2008, 09:23:46 PM »

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does anyone honestly believe that video gaming adults want to be able to have virtual lap dances with video game strippers?

Is that a rhetorical question?
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« Reply #221 on: April 28, 2008, 09:24:33 PM »

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just killing time with our own version of GTA,, Grand Theft Arguement .

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« Reply #222 on: April 28, 2008, 09:26:07 PM »

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  does anyone really believe adults would use the 21st century greatest invention, the internet, mostly for porn?
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« Reply #223 on: April 28, 2008, 09:28:25 PM »

I think we may have wandered off the topic a bit.
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« Reply #224 on: April 28, 2008, 09:33:15 PM »

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:55:09 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 28, 2008, 08:51:20 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM

Well, if the rest of the dialogue in the game is as piss poor as the hooker scene dialogue... I will probably not play the game.

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LOL,c'mon,thats bullshit and you know it!! disgust

No seriously.  The game is supposed to have an excellent story, dialogue, and voice acting.  Everything I've seen outside of that video supports that case.  That video?  Not so much.

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i dont think you should be too worried(if indeed you really are)...remember san andreas where CJ would bump into people,and a line was spoken.....this kind of shit is just filler dialogue,and will prolly be repeated a few times...depending on how kinky you make your character

and i agree with you about the story and voice acting in everything i have seen as well.
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« Reply #225 on: April 28, 2008, 09:38:54 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 28, 2008, 09:33:15 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:55:09 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 28, 2008, 08:51:20 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM

Well, if the rest of the dialogue in the game is as piss poor as the hooker scene dialogue... I will probably not play the game.

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LOL,c'mon,thats bullshit and you know it!! disgust

No seriously.  The game is supposed to have an excellent story, dialogue, and voice acting.  Everything I've seen outside of that video supports that case.  That video?  Not so much.

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i dont think you should be too worried(if indeed you really are)...remember san andreas where CJ would bump into people,and a line was spoken.....this kind of shit is just filler dialogue,and will prolly be repeated a few times...depending on how kinky you make your character

and i agree with you about the story and voice acting in everything i have seen as well.

Yeah I was mostly joking.

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« Reply #226 on: April 28, 2008, 09:45:08 PM »

Okay, I've been up over 24 hours straight and admit to not reading most of these posts. More like skimmed them. Anyways, I think Rockstar put it in the game the way they did because they got jacked on the Hot Coffee thing. The ESRB forced them to change the rating of San Andreas for a really stupid reason. I think this time they said "to hell with it" and intentionally put some stuff just about the same level of gratuity as Hot Coffee in there, if only to say "We're not ashamed" and "Fuck you, Jack Thompson & Co." That's just my opinion.

I played GTA3 (twice), Vice City (twice), and San Andreas, and I think, all combined I only picked up a hooker once or twice out of complete boredom. I honestly didn't know they raised your health. Not that it mattered. I played on the PC and had save/load OCD. Never once allowed myself to respawn at a hospital after dying or police station after being busted. Just reloaded. I guess that's not quite an option most of the time on the consoles though.

Can this go back to being an impressions thread now?
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« Reply #227 on: April 28, 2008, 09:52:48 PM »

Bastard  Gellar LOL slywink

and yeah lets not fall out over prostitues<<never thought i would use that line again

anyway,hookers were good for getting your health up to 125 before going out on that big mission...money well spent(and obviously got back after killing her).

anyway screw that<<no pun intended,let me just say.....1 hr and 10 minutes until midnight,i am setting off in 10 minutes!!!!!!!
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« Reply #228 on: April 28, 2008, 10:21:11 PM »

AGAINST!
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« Reply #229 on: April 28, 2008, 10:38:42 PM »

I'm so excited! And I just can't hide it! Whose gonna be up all night tonight playing besides me? Can't wait to get my first virtual hand job  thumbsup icon_neutral thumbsup icon_smile  thumbsup  icon_razz  thumbsup icon_cool

I have an idea! For our first multiplayer experience together a bunch of us should play free mode, get a room, and get hand jobs all at the same time! Or better yet, has Rockstar said whether we can actually give each other hand jobs?
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« Reply #230 on: April 28, 2008, 10:42:54 PM »

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and the strippers, and the clubs, and the plot lines around these things, all just gags? Prostitutes have been part of the whole series. SEX, drugs, violence, that is what makes up the underworld.  According to you we should have what?  just some violence?   yeah great immersion there.

You are failing to recognize that inevitably you reach a line of demarcation separating the threshold of what may generally be viewed as acceptable and actions or content that extends beyond the acceptable.  It is one thing to recognize various behaviors as inherent to the criminal community.  But there has to eventually be a line.  For example, in terms of speeding, a police officer must determine a line at which speeding goes from acceptable to illegal.  Even though exceeding the posted speed limit by one one mile per hour is technically illegal, most highway patrol officers allow speeds in excess of the posted limit of about 7 or 8mph.  Perhaps even as much as 13 or 14mph.  However, once you go beyond that general standard for what is considered to be acceptable, at what point does exceeding the speed limit become unacceptable?  15mph?  16?  17?  At some point you reach a speed which cannot be overlooked.  Even though speeding in general is technically illegal, minor transgressions are usually overlooked.  But you eventually reach a point when enough is enough.  You can make the "any speeding is illegal" argument, but when discussing real-world scenerios, the police are known to overlook "safe" speeding up to a certain point.  But inevitably you reach a point when speeding must be reprimanded.   

Within GTA IV we have profanity, strippers, alcoholism, murder, theft, property damage, etc.  All aspects of real-world criminal behavior.  If we have murder and mayhem, why should various sexual acts be considered offensive?  Because again we reach a point of determining when enough is enough.  Where do we draw this line in GTA IV?  In terms of the speeding example above, perhaps anything beyond 16 mph is too much, but 15mph and less is acceptable.  But you have to admit that at some point enforcement becomes necessary.

Since murder is prominent in the game, where do we draw the line on the extent of which murder can be committed?  If you advocate complete freedom within the game world, including both violence and sexual acts, as per real-world events, then shouldn't you be able to kidnap, rape, and kill a young child?  After all, this happens in the real-world and is certainly an aspect of criminal behavior.  What about killing innocent children on a school playground?  Or have I now crossed that "enough is enough" line and ventured into tasteless content?  You inevitably reach a point when given the amount of criminal debauchery available in a game, you must at some point draw a line as to what all a player can do.  For me, soliciting a hand-job and showing said sexual event in all of its pixilated virtual glory is a bit tasteless and immature, regardless of how prevalent it may be in real life or how "necessary" it is to preserve the true freedom of a mature game.  Why should something like that be available in a game?  What's the point, besides shock value?  Freedom?  Why can't I be free to kidnap and torture little children, especially given my thoughts on mini-humans?  After all, it happens in real-life, and it's all in the name of virtual freedom.

I don't mind sex in video games.  That has never been my point of contention.  My point has been that you inevitably reach a point when, even though something may take place in the real world, does it really have any place in a video game?  Perhaps virtual hand-jobs are not the threshold of acceptability.  Perhaps raping and killing children is an excessive example.  I haven't lobbied to have sex taken out of video games.  However, I think some of the content of GTA IV has been included merely for shock value.  I doubt we would hear complaints of a lack of freedom if for some reason the ability to solicit hand-jobs and blow-jobs was left out of the game.  After all, sex with a prostitute, murdering a police officer, or stealing a car are all still available.  I just fail to see why allowing this much freedom in terms of the game's sex aspects is necessary.

Enjoy the virtual hand-jobs you so desparately covet.  I just don't see why they're necessary and inherent to the preservation of virtual freedom and mature gameplay. 
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« Reply #231 on: April 28, 2008, 10:43:19 PM »

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:55:09 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 28, 2008, 08:51:20 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM

Well, if the rest of the dialogue in the game is as piss poor as the hooker scene dialogue... I will probably not play the game.

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LOL,c'mon,thats baloney and you know it!! disgust

No seriously.  The game is supposed to have an excellent story, dialogue, and voice acting.  Everything I've seen outside of that video supports that case.  That video?  Not so much.

gellar

I've intentionally been in media blackout for this game but did, due to all the discussion, watched that clip: it's as poorly done as the stupid sex scenes in the God of War series- which while not necessarily offensive, are clearly out of place and preposterous.  And if that's an example of the good writing in the game, I might slide my money to a preorder on Fallout...

I'm a n00b to the GTA series and am hoping that that scene is not characteristic of the overall game...
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« Reply #232 on: April 28, 2008, 10:46:50 PM »

Quote from: ATB on April 28, 2008, 10:43:19 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:55:09 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 28, 2008, 08:51:20 PM

Quote from: gellar on April 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM

Well, if the rest of the dialogue in the game is as piss poor as the hooker scene dialogue... I will probably not play the game.

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LOL,c'mon,thats baloney and you know it!! disgust

No seriously.  The game is supposed to have an excellent story, dialogue, and voice acting.  Everything I've seen outside of that video supports that case.  That video?  Not so much.

gellar

I've intentionally been in media blackout for this game but did, due to all the discussion, watched that clip: it's as poorly done as the stupid sex scenes in the God of War series- which while not necessarily offensive, are clearly out of place and preposterous.  And if that's an example of the good writing in the game, I might slide my money to a preorder on Fallout...

I'm a n00b to the GTA series and am hoping that that scene is not characteristic of the overall game...

From what I've seen in the video reviews, the stupidity from that clip is not representative of the game.

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« Reply #233 on: April 28, 2008, 11:00:55 PM »

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I don't mind sex in video games. 

Yes, you obviously do. All the statements about demarcation lines and artistic value are a bunch of face-saving excuses for the fact that you are offended by sexual acts in a video game. You and gellar are honestly going to sit here and act like you'd be totally 100% for handjobs if they were part of a well-thought out storyline? Sorry, but I call bullshit on that.

If, for the sake of argument, it was true that you two would support sex in a video game if handled "correctly" according to your artistic standards, your very actions of decrying sex in a video game, even if it is tasteless in your eyes, practically ensures that no video game will ever be ABLE to have artistically sound sexual scenes. Because by your actions, you are saying that sexual scenes in a video game are wrong, thus closing the door forever on any "right" way to do it in the future.

Sorry, but the hypocrisy of this is making me ill. You two seemingly have no problem murdering people in cold blood in a game, EXPLICITLY, with blood and flailing bodies, but a SIMULATED sex act that is softer than softcore porn on late night Cinemax gets you riled? Unbelievable.

At any rate, whatever. You are free to spend your money and play the game however you wish. But I expect the same privilege. So the first thing I'm doing when I fire up the game is hit the strip club, go grab three hookers, and get a virtual BJ in PeteRock and gellar's honor. 
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« Reply #234 on: April 28, 2008, 11:03:36 PM »

Quote from: PeteRock on April 28, 2008, 10:42:54 PM

Enjoy the virtual hand-jobs you so desparately covet.  I just don't see why they're necessary and inherent to the preservation of virtual freedom and mature gameplay. 

I saw what you did there.  Basically, you first ended with "Maybe when you're old enough to drive you'll understand my speeding example above."  Classy.  Glad you edited it up.
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« Reply #235 on: April 28, 2008, 11:05:13 PM »

Any indications when this game will be out for the PC? 6 months sounds about right, but I can't find out if there is any official word on it.
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« Reply #236 on: April 28, 2008, 11:06:31 PM »

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I don't mind sex in video games. 

Yes, you obviously do. All the statements about demarcation lines and artistic value are a bunch of face-saving excuses for the fact that you are offended by sexual acts in a video game. You and gellar are honestly going to sit here and act like you'd be totally 100% for handjobs if they were part of a well-thought out storyline? Sorry, but I call bullshit on that.

If, for the sake of argument, it was true that you two would support sex in a video game if handled "correctly" according to your artistic standards, your very actions of decrying sex in a video game, even if it is tasteless in your eyes, practically ensures that no video game will ever be ABLE to have artistically sound sexual scenes. Because by your actions, you are saying that sexual scenes in a video game are wrong, thus closing the door forever on any "right" way to do it in the future.

Sorry, but the hypocrisy of this is making me ill. You two seemingly have no problem murdering people in cold blood in a game, EXPLICITLY, with blood and flailing bodies, but a SIMULATED sex act that is softer than softcore porn on late night Cinemax gets you riled? Unbelievable.

At any rate, whatever. You are free to spend your money and play the game however you wish. But I expect the same privilege. So the first thing I'm doing when I fire up the game is hit the strip club, go grab three hookers, and get a virtual BJ in PeteRock and gellar's honor. 


I'd be for whatever if it wasn't done SO POORLY.  For fuck's sake I can't imagine why that concept is so fucking hard for you to grasp.  HAVE YOU SEEN THE VIDEO?  That shit would be embarrassingly bad for a cut  rate porno.  It's not WHAT it is, it's HOW BADLY it's done.  It SCREAMS of 'I've never had my peen0r touched before BUT IF I DID HERE'S WHAT I'D SAY.'  It's fucking cringeworthy.  So is Cinemax, btw.

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« Reply #237 on: April 28, 2008, 11:09:26 PM »

Quote from: PeteRock on April 28, 2008, 10:42:54 PM

I haven't lobbied to have sex taken out of video games.  However, I think some of the content of GTA IV has been included merely for shock value. 

What's wrong with shock value?  It's an American tradition in many many forms of popular entertainment.  Frankly, on a scale of "appropriateness", I would put the GTA IV shenanigans about forty orders of magnitude lower on the scale than Saw IV.
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« Reply #238 on: April 28, 2008, 11:09:57 PM »

So tell me, how do you do a video game hooker giving a handjob NOT poorly?

Please, inquiring minds want to know. Even real handjobs looks pretty silly from an artistic perspective.
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« Reply #239 on: April 28, 2008, 11:10:40 PM »

Can you take a shit in this game?  Because it will be bland for me without that level of verisimilitude. 
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