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« on: May 16, 2005, 04:27:05 PM »

Obviously the name will probably not be Revolution, but for now it is a placeholder...I will change it if the name is truly given.

Nintendo has given some info on the Revolution (such as being a little bit higher than 3 DVD cases, that it will use DVD technology and that it will be backwards compatible), but outside of that not much is known.  Chances are they may show a prototype and give a ballpark release timeframe.

What are you guys looking forward to with the Revolution?

Nintendo's pre-E3 conference is at 9am PT on Tuesday.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2005, 04:36:51 PM »

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Why "obviously?"  I thought that was the name, not a placeholder.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 04:38:53 PM »

Traditionally the code names don't end up being the actual name of the console.  Gamecube was code-named Dolphin for example.

I personally hope they don't go with "Revolution" as the name- I think it sets them up with an impossible standard to live up to.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 05:27:14 PM »

As Kevin said, traditionally codenames do not end up being final names.  Nintendo had Ultra 64 for the N64 and Dolphin for the GameCube for instance.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 07:47:58 PM »

Sure, I knew that.  I just had the impression that Revolution was to be the name for this one.  

Guess it just wasn't obvious to me.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2005, 12:37:13 AM »

Don't forget that the machine will fully support HD and widescreen as well as support a hookup to your Monitor out of the box. Oh yeah it's wi-fi out of the box as well, and obviously will have some crazy ass wireless controllers.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 02:37:10 AM »

But Nintendo, I didn't think anybody used that stuff?  You can't even buy the cables in the store and the new Cubes don't even support them.  Yeah, Nintendo is all over the HD craze.  Not even going to get started on their online support...

Just kidding with you, Tebunker. Tongue  I'm really glad to see them hop on board so everybody can go, "woohoo!"

Figure we can shake the trolls out of the trees early by getting that out of the way...
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2005, 02:50:14 AM »

to me it just shows, that at least at this early stage they've got their heads out of their asses, now Nintendo just needs to support all this stuff for real.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2005, 02:54:06 AM »

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to me it just shows, that at least at this early stage they've got their heads out of their asses, now Nintendo just needs to support all this stuff for real.


Amen!  With backwards compatibility with the library of Cube games I never played, I'll definately have my eye on Nintendo's next offering.  I really want to play Eternal Darkness and Paper Mario 2!
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 11:48:37 AM »

More info here:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/games/2005-05-17-revolution_x.htm?POE=TECISVA
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Nintendo makes more modest claims that Revolution is two or three times more powerful than GameCube. "It's not all about having 'turbo power,' " Nintendo's Perrin Kaplan says. "It's about what you do with it."

Analyst Richard Doherty of The Envisioneering Group says one of Revolution's chief advantages is that designers will find it far easier to create games for Revolution than for competing systems. "They do not need to make major changes from the games they were designing," he says. "They have better performance without having to do a lot of extra work."

Says Kaplan: "We've built Revolution around the concept of 'all-access gaming,' " a term Nintendo uses to mean the system is easily adapted to by both gamers and designers. "We're about sticking to the soul of gaming."


You know what, after the past week of crap about changing face plates, micropayments, Blue ray disks, rock music,and general dick wagging, Nintendos approch seems very refreashing.
Right now, I'm more interested in what nintendo has to offer. Still, they have plenty of E3 time to screw up.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2005, 01:07:33 PM »

Is this it?



From this USA Today article
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2005, 01:08:45 PM »

Yes thats it. Looks cool for a change.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2005, 01:09:37 PM »

Looks nice!
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2005, 02:25:47 PM »

It looks pretty cool, and it's amazing how small it is, but I'm not sure I understand what the point of having a removable stand is.  Why would you ever need to seperate your console from the console holder?
pic of the stand

Oh, and Bullwinkle, I think you might just be redeemed:
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2005, 02:41:01 PM »

More pics and details
http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140623
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2005, 02:54:10 PM »

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Ease of development is what Nintendo claims separates their next-generation hardware from the competition. "They do not need to make major changes from the games they were designing," said analyst Richard Doherty of The Envisioneering Group. "They have better performance without having to do a lot of extra work."


This scares me. So they are saying it's easy to make the same old games with better graphics?

That's my problem with Nintendo... :cry:
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2005, 02:54:21 PM »

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Revolution will offer broadband access to a free internet based player matching service, similar to Xbox Live, that also will have downloadable versions of nearly every nintendo game-- from arcade classic Donkey Kong through current titles such as Mario Sunshine.[/b] (Nintendo hasn't decided whether downloading will be free).

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
That is awesome.  I can't see them offering it for free, but even so, what a great feature.
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2005, 02:58:46 PM »

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This scares me. So they are saying it's easy to make the same old games with better graphics?


No they are saying developers don't have to waste vast amounts of time and resources learning an alien architecture.
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2005, 03:02:26 PM »

I still read it as "License for Laziness"
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2005, 03:03:23 PM »

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This scares me. So they are saying it's easy to make the same old games with better graphics?


No they are saying developers don't have to waste vast amounts of time and resources learning an alien architecture.


Yeah, its hardly a negative.  Frankly there is nothing I've seen for PS3 or 360 that exceeds a current generation "design."  The technology, physics, etc sure but I've yet to hear of any games that we'll be getting that just weren't possible before.

Unfortunately, the Cube was also very easy to program for evidently and I'm not sure it helped out a whole lot.
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2005, 03:11:09 PM »

Having stupid mini DVDs  didn't help either.
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2005, 03:13:47 PM »

This quote is a bit concerning:

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Nintendo makes more modest claims that Revolution is two or three times more powerful than GameCube.


Two to three times? That's nothing. I want power. POWER!!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2005, 03:14:18 PM »

Nintendo is probably the only one telling the truth.
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2005, 03:15:36 PM »

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Nintendo is probably the only one telling the truth.


I want lies about power. LIES ABOUT POWER!!!!!



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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2005, 03:19:33 PM »

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This quote is a bit concerning:

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Two to three times? That's nothing. I want power. POWER!!!!!!


Gamecube can hold its own when it comes to power, imo.  Graphics are pretty darn comparable to xbox and ps2, but with very minimal load times.  2 or 3 times more powerful than that sounds pretty good to me.  

Right now I wish I had a front row seat at the Nintendo's meeting.  I want a live video feed darn it!!!
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2005, 03:20:44 PM »

I am most interested in the launch titles.  Hopefully they will annouce a few of them.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2005, 03:45:36 PM »

I like the system design a lot.  I'd put it below PS3 but above the 360.  If the 360 were available in brushed metal vice white then I'd put them about equal.  

It does look like they are going with the name Revolution, since they have a logo and everything.  And that's a mistake IMO.
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2005, 03:53:54 PM »

Yeah if the Cube can pump out RE4 and that new Zelda graphics, then I'm not worried about 2-3 times better than that.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2005, 03:58:11 PM »

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I like the system design a lot.  I'd put it below PS3 but above the 360.  If the 360 were available in brushed metal vice white then I'd put them about equal.  

It does look like they are going with the name Revolution, since they have a logo and everything.  And that's a mistake IMO.


Revolution seems like a fitting name for Nintendo.  Completely new hardware design, using dvd discs, full support for wireless internet gaming, and probably other new stuff that we will learn about in the next hour.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2005, 04:00:43 PM »

But when their competitors are already offering those features they are hardly revolutionary.

I love Nintendo but in order for a "revolution" to happen it takes people.  And until consumers embrace Revolution then it won't matter what innovations Nintendo brings to the table.  If this backfires then the name is only going to end up being the butt of many jokes.
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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2005, 04:00:55 PM »

Yeah they may not be revolutionizing the industry, as much as their image.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2005, 04:09:43 PM »

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But when their competitors are already offering those features they are hardly revolutionary.

I love Nintendo but in order for a "revolution" to happen it takes people.  And until consumers embrace Revolution then it won't matter what innovations Nintendo brings to the table.  If this backfires then the name is only going to end up being the butt of many jokes.


Very true.  But I can't seeing it backfiring to the general public.  Nintendo seems to cater more to the general public than hardcore gamers.
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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2005, 04:24:16 PM »

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Yeah if the Cube can pump out RE4 and that new Zelda graphics, then I'm not worried about 2-3 times better than that.


But it's all about the competition. If Revolution can't compete graphically with the X-Box 360 and PS3, Nintendo will have a hard time making up much ground.
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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2005, 04:24:22 PM »

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Nintendo seems to cater more to the general public than hardcore gamers.


As opposed to Sony or Microsoft? Those two are the companies whoring themselves to horny little teenagers.
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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2005, 04:26:15 PM »

Does any company want to sell themselves to hardcore gamers?  Isn't that like 5% of the people who buy games?
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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2005, 04:28:21 PM »

Good point.


P.S. I forgot to mention the nine-year-olds who think "blood = teh mateur!"
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2005, 04:44:10 PM »

The only way I will be impressed with what I've seen so far is if Nintendo comes out and says $149
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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2005, 04:50:36 PM »

Simple fact is that the revolution may come in third this generation, but even if it does it will still sell well enough that Nintendo wont loose their shirts. Millions of people will buy the Revolution for the first party titles alone. I know I will.

Also, did anyone else notice the lack of slots in the console pics, I wonder if there will be memory card ports in the back only or if they are reverting to the N64 Dreamcast design of having them in the controllers (bad idea).
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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2005, 04:56:25 PM »

It's 10 O'clock, where are the details from the 9 AM meeting?
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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2005, 05:00:13 PM »

It hasn't started yet.

/edit: yes it has, just no details from the stream. Just talking up nintendo's past sucess. Can't watch the stream while at work.
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