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« on: November 23, 2004, 02:44:27 AM »

Somebody please tell me this is a good game.  I want it to be a good game.  I need it to be a good game.   :shock:
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 02:53:39 AM »

IGN says it's a good game (9.2).  It would be kind of tough for anyone else to know since it won't be selling until tomorrow.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 03:30:05 AM »

Oh.  You see, I have a birthday on Thursday, and if it's good, then I can put in a last moment request.   :twisted:
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 04:00:38 AM »

It has Pirates with a ! at the end? I'm sold...
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 04:44:07 AM »

eXXXtreme, dude.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 06:06:27 AM »

OOh, just read the review. Tempting. Im poor  frown .
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2004, 02:26:33 PM »

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IGN gave MOO3 the same score.  Just thought I'd remind everyone.  IGN = whores.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2004, 02:59:16 PM »

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IGN says it's a good game (9.2).

IGN gave MOO3 the same score.  Just thought I'd remind everyone.  IGN = whores.


Ha. I was gonna say something like "a 9.2 from IGN is akin to being panned", heh.

That said, I've been reading up on Pirates, and watching gameplay footage, and it looks good, and hey, it's Sid after all.

What really warms the cockles of my heart is that it's being released on DVD as well as CD. It's nice to see this trend continue. It was a long time coming.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 04:07:44 PM »

It won't be released in europe until the 3rd of december, which is good since I'll have a few weeks to read all of your impressions.

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 04:08:14 PM »

Anyone know what the collector's edition will include?
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 04:17:29 PM »

Pirates! won't be in any stores near me until Wednesday at the earliest.
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 05:03:59 PM »

We got a copy in the office here.  I might take a look after lunch.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 05:18:01 PM »

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We got a copy in the office here.  I might take a look after lunch.


Would kill to have copies of games in my office  :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 05:28:01 PM »

I got a copy that is supposed to be here early afternoon.  I will definitely check it out tonight.

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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 05:36:08 PM »

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Anyone know what the collector's edition will include?


It's on DVD instead of a CD, there's the original game, and among a few other things, there's extra mods for the game. I'm guessing that includes extra pirate skins, flags, ships skins, etc. But I won't know for sure until my copy arrives next Monday.
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2004, 05:57:06 PM »

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Would kill to have copies of games in my office  :wink:
I have an Xbox on my desk, too smile
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2004, 06:08:58 PM »

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Would kill to have copies of games in my office  :wink:
I have an Xbox on my desk, too smile


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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2004, 06:10:00 PM »

My CE edition is waiting for me at home. I'll be playing it tonight and I'll come back. (hopefully before the dreaded second page)
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2004, 06:25:24 PM »

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Would kill to have copies of games in my office  :wink:
I have an Xbox on my desk, too smile

I have my secretary on my desk. Beat that.  :lol:
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2004, 06:32:23 PM »

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We got a copy in the office here.  I might take a look after lunch.


Bring it over when we watch Riddick smile
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2004, 08:04:01 PM »

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I have my secretary on my desk. Beat that.  :lol:

Now why would I want to beat your secretary? smile

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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2004, 10:24:29 PM »

Put in a quick hour worth of play.

My first reaction is would it of killed Firaxis to hire some voice actors? Was the budget that tight?

It looks nice. No crashes and ran well. Did some trading, and quickly lost my first ship combat. I don't feel overly connected  to my character despite the early customizations. I don't know if its just that I have so many games that its hard to take hold of if Sid's Pirates is rather light in the game play catagory but I'm not getting any "must skip dinner in order to play" feelings.

onm the huge plus, it took only lke 5 minutes to install and start playing. Which was about 5 hours and 55 minutes less than Half Life 2.
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2004, 10:26:46 PM »

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Would kill to have copies of games in my office  :wink:
I have an Xbox on my desk, too smile

I have my secretary on my desk. Beat that.  :lol:


my secretary is my desk.  biggrin  remember the table from "a clockwork orange"?
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2004, 05:21:23 AM »

Do you get to name and choose the appearance of your pirate or do you play “Bob the buff pirate lord!”?
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2004, 05:38:36 AM »

OK, I picked it up with some birthday $.  Quick thoughts before I go to bed.

It's easy to get into.  There is NOT a steep learning curve.  Think Escape Velocity with pirates.  

There is a quest behind the game, but the very large vast majority of gameplay is wide open.

I started as the Dutch, and it was quite easy.  I named my dude, chose to be Dutch, and that was about the end of the customization.  Well, I did name my first ship 'Doo Doo Brown," but I sold it after too long, so there's that.  You can name all of the ships.

I'm playing on a laptop, which is great except for the fact that there's no damn keypad, and 50% of the interface is through the keypad.  All of that means that I have to turn on the pseudo-keypad on the keyboard, which has worked fine.  When you're in an area that utilizes the keypad, the pad itself appears on screen, and you can click on the buttons with the mouse.  It's easy to do.  Dancing is probably the most challenging, but that's just because it requires somewhat quick reflexes.

The game is pretty easy, so far, but I sense that it's starting to get more difficult.  My pirate is a skilled swordsman, so it has been easy to take ships without totally tearing them apart first.  I would recommend that you find yourself a really fast ship, steal it, and use it to help build your empire.  

I found some treasure, fought some dudes, danced with some chicks, etc...  Basically for the most part, this is Pirates! with a new graphical engine.  It's addictive in the same way that Escape Velocity or the original Pirates! was.  I was playing, and before I knew it, it was 12:30.  

It's a fun game, simple, and not too difficult (at least after 2-3 hours of play).  If you were a fan of the original, definitely go pick this up.  I don't know what to say to the rest of you other than to ask, "Why weren't you a fan of the original?"  

I'm very glad that I bought it, and look forwards to many more hours of play.  For me, it does have that addictive quality to it, but it's quite different that the rest of Sid's games (well, other than the original Pirates).
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2004, 06:29:01 AM »

It's pretty freakishly addictive. I started a game at 3 PM, and messed around for "just a bit," before my wife asked me what I wanted for dinner as it was suddenly 6 PM. That's a fantastic quality.

I hate dancing. Grrr. I wish I could find me those shoes that give you a chance to not make a mistake when you press the wrong key when dancing.

Fencing is cool though, I have the hang of it now. I'm not sure what makes your guy skilled, as the previous poster mentioned, but getting used to their motions so that you can react and being offensive are the keys to success.

Fun game overall. Pretty simple, not sure it'll keep me entertained for quite as long as Vampire Bloodlines, but I also don't think it'll frustrate me like VB did.
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2004, 01:35:27 PM »

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Do you get to name and choose the appearance of your pirate or do you play “Bob the buff pirate lord!”?


I swear the first time I saw this post I thought it said:

"Bob the butt pirate lord!"   :lol:

LMAO!

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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2004, 02:04:26 PM »

I'm curious if others had the same situation as I did the first time I played.  :?

Was confused by the manual talking about 'creating your pirate' and picking the era, skill, etc. The first time I played I got no such choices, only what I wanted to be called - the rest of the 'page' was blank. It wasn't until after I bailed on the first game and started another one that all of the choices appeared. Was wondering if that is Pirates! version of a tutorial, lock everything down to the defaults and the easy mode on your first time through...
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2004, 02:49:40 PM »

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I'm curious if others had the same situation as I did the first time I played.  :?

Was confused by the manual talking about 'creating your pirate' and picking the era, skill, etc. The first time I played I got no such choices, only what I wanted to be called - the rest of the 'page' was blank. It wasn't until after I bailed on the first game and started another one that all of the choices appeared. Was wondering if that is Pirates! version of a tutorial, lock everything down to the defaults and the easy mode on your first time through...


Exact same thing happened to me...
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2004, 03:12:30 PM »

Same here.  They want you to play your first game on Apprentice I guess.

The cutscene stuff also confused me.  I expected voice overs and thought there was something wrong with my audio.  It seems NPCs only speak some kind of gibberish language.

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2004, 03:35:06 PM »

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I started a game at 3 PM, and messed around for "just a bit," before my wife asked me what I wanted for dinner as it was suddenly 6 PM. That's a fantastic quality.


I agree, that's pretty fantastic. If I wait till 6pm my wife isn't asking me what I want for dinner, she's telling me  :lol:

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I hate dancing. Grrr. I wish I could find me those shoes that give you a chance to not make a mistake when you press the wrong key when dancing.


Do you mean shoes in the game as a bonus item? Hey, if that's available I might be more amenable to getting this game. I suck at the whole "hit this key right now" kind of stuff. Don't know how many times in Half-Life I tried to shoot someone with a crowbar.
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2004, 05:32:59 PM »

I played for several hours last night, and it’s very reminiscent of the original.  Nothing is really exceptional or ground breaking, but like most of Sid’s games, it’s the sum of the parts that makes for an addictively fun game.  Some quick bullet points:

-   There doesn’t seem to be a menu option to select the difficulty level.  As far as I can tell, you start as an apprentice captain, and through your adventures (fame, quests completed, pirate rank, etc…) you’ll be given the option to move up to a higher level captain when you “split the loot.”  I think I split the loot 2 times before I was given the option to move up to journeyman captain.  Your cut of the loot % also goes up as your difficulty rank goes up (as an apprentice capt you only get 5% of the loot split).  

-   The sim language that everyone speaks is a little goofy.  It would’ve been cool if they hired voice talent to do authentic accents for the 4 main nations (Dutch, French, English, Spanish).  And how could you pass up the opportunity to do pirate voices for the pirates!?  I don’t mind reading narrative and dialogue (Planescape anyone?), but it’s almost an expectation now to have spoken dialogue…or at least spoken narrative.


-   The ship to ship combat is fun and arcadey, and clearly not meant to be a Sea Dogs clone.  There’s enough depth where you can use all the different types of cannon shot to damage the ship, destroy the sails, and kill the crew.  Wind and weather play a role, but again, don’t expect Sea Dogs2.  Even though you can have an entire armada of captured ships, you can only fight with your flagship.  Although if you jump a merchant ship that has an escort, you’ll be fighting both ships with your lone flagship.  It would’ve been great if my 2 other 32 gun war galleys would join in the fight.  

-   The romance part of the game is pretty much just like the original, with the addition of the ballroom dancing mini-game.  The better looking the woman, the harder the dancing is going to be.  It’s not an easy mini-game, and takes awhile to get used to watching the hand gestures and/or flashing keystroke hints.  The governor daughters are tiered based on looks, just like the original.  There seems to be 10 ranks of romance escalation before you’ll be able to propose. Those 10 ranks or steps will include successful ballroom dances, gifts, and duels with fiancés or other love interest.  In return, the girls will give you valuable information about quests, or they may even give you a gift.  

-   The swordplay is really easy at the apprentice level, and even includes flashing keystrokes to help you manage your defense.  Some of the duels have actually started becoming a little challenging at Journeyman level, but it’s still easy to ram into a much larger ship with a larger crew and kick the captain’s butt, thus ending the engagement in your favor.  The duels are fun though, and do a good job of capturing that Errol Flynn swashbuckling feel.  I’m looking forward to seeing how the duels are at higher captain levels.

-   You now have basically a year to 14 months to take a crew out to sea and campaign.  Around 13 months or so the men will start getting pissed and want to return home.  You can be a heartless captain and use that opportunity to throw the men at an installation you want to take over, or you can take them home and “split the loot.”  At this point, your men will be dismissed, the loot will be split, but you will keep your flagship and any key staff that you’ve acquired along the way.  You’ll also be given the option to quit the story completely, to continue, or to move up to the next captain level.  You’ll then go through the process of recruiting a new crew and heading back out to sea.  The new crew will start with happy morale.  The longest I had a crew out campaigning was 19 months…they were pissed!!  I used them at the end as fodder to attack a town.  The crew size diminished greatly, and the lone survivors were “very happy.”    

-     There’s no tutorial, unless I’m just not seeing that option.  Even though the game is very easy to pick up and figure out, a tutorial would’ve been nice.  

-   I think there are a few quest bugs.  Nothing I’ve encountered that’s a game breaker, but I’ve hunted and defeated the same baron who supposedly knows where my family is 4 times now.  Each time I defeat him I get a new piece of the find my sister map.  It’s weird though because the folks giving me the tips on his whereabouts act like I’ve never heard of him, even though I’ve sent him to the ocean floor 4 times.

-   You can make good $ trading, but I haven’t had the patience to figure out the trade routes yet.  I mainly just travel up and down the islands fighting ships and then selling off the cargo and ships…while working on quests.  

-   At apprentice and journeymen levels the governors and towns seem a little too forgiving of my past deeds.  I’ve sunk and captured lots of Spanish and French ships, yet I’m still a major in the Spanish navy and an admiral in the French navy lol.  When I see their governors they tell me how upset they are at my asskicking of their ships, and even mention specifically the ships I captured or sank, but they never do anything.  I’m a count in the English navy (I love the made up ranks…colonel in the navy? Hehe).  

-   It was a fun diversion last night while I waited for my 170th spot on the WoW server line to open up.
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2004, 05:33:47 PM »

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Same here.  They want you to play your first game on Apprentice I guess.

The cutscene stuff also confused me.  I expected voice overs and thought there was something wrong with my audio.  It seems NPCs only speak some kind of gibberish language.

olaf


It appears that the Pirates all hail from Sims-land. (grin)

That being said, I started playing last night to get my mind off of my car being stolen and when I looked up, it was 2 AM. Quite addictive.
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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2004, 05:44:13 PM »

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The romance part of the game is pretty much just like the original, with the addition of the ballroom dancing mini-game.

I never played the original.  I know next to nothing about this game other than it's by Sid.  But any game with ballroom dancing is gonna be a hard sell to me.

What's next?  Flower arranging?  Drapery hanging?  Karaoke showtune showdown?

How does ballroom dancing figure into a pirate game? tear
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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2004, 06:02:48 PM »

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How does ballroom dancing figure into a pirate game? tear

To woo the governor's daughters.  You have to court them biggrin
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2004, 06:39:37 PM »

You sleect difficulty level when you start a new game.  It's right in plain site.
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2004, 07:47:28 PM »

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I hate dancing. Grrr. I wish I could find me those shoes that give you a chance to not make a mistake when you press the wrong key when dancing.


Do you mean shoes in the game as a bonus item? Hey, if that's available I might be more amenable to getting this game. I suck at the whole "hit this key right now" kind of stuff. Don't know how many times in Half-Life I tried to shoot someone with a crowbar.


Yes, there are shoes in the game you get as a bonus item that make it so that you dance better. Press the wrong button and there's a chance you won't screw up. Supposedly. I still haven't found them.

On the bright side, I've gotten a lot better at this dancing thing. I still don't like doing it, but you get used to it by listening to the music for keys to what's coming in addition to the signals the woman gives you.
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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2004, 08:07:30 PM »

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How does ballroom dancing figure into a pirate game? tear

To woo the governor's daughters.  You have to court them biggrin

Now a real pirate wouldn't be wooing no daughter.  He'd break into the governor's mansion and take her captive in the middle of the night.

This sounds more like one of those bizarro-Japanese dating sims than a pirate game.
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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2004, 08:11:02 PM »

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-   I think there are a few quest bugs.  Nothing I’ve encountered that’s a game breaker, but I’ve hunted and defeated the same baron who supposedly knows where my family is 4 times now.  Each time I defeat him I get a new piece of the find my sister map.  It’s weird though because the folks giving me the tips on his whereabouts act like I’ve never heard of him, even though I’ve sent him to the ocean floor 4 times.


That happened to me too, I was told of a guy who knows the whereabouts of my sister and hunted him down, but before I ran into him, a barmaid told me that the same ship carries a lot of gold with in its hull, so I figured, cool, 2 birds with 1 stone.  Found the ship, captured it, got the gold but never got the guy.  Now everytime I go to a tavern, they keep saying that that guy's going to Havana and been on the ocean for 900+ days, lol.

The game is awesome tho, loved it, was up till 4 am playing it and I had to be up for work by 6:30am.  I wish I can zoom out of the sailing map more.
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« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2004, 08:12:54 PM »

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-   There doesn’t seem to be a menu option to select the difficulty level...


The first time you play there are no options.  After that they will be there.
 
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-I think there are a few quest bugs.  Nothing I’ve encountered that’s a game breaker, but I’ve hunted and defeated the same baron who supposedly knows where my family is 4 times now.  Each time I defeat him I get a new piece of the find my sister map.  It’s weird though because the folks giving me the tips on his whereabouts act like I’ve never heard of him, even though I’ve sent him to the ocean floor 4 times.


I've noticed the too.  I wonder if it is intentional or what?  After I rescued my sister she sent me after another guy, but the same guy keeps having the maps. Hmmm.
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