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« on: September 25, 2009, 12:27:12 AM »

So, Direct 2 Drive has Titan Quest and Immortal Throne for $5 combined... I never played Immortal Throne, so I decided to put down the $5, since it's probably worth more than that. Besides, I'm waiting for Tropico 3 to arrive...   ninja

Any suggestions for restarting TQ via Immortal Throne?  I only ever made it about 50% of the way through TQ back in the day.  What was that, about 3 years ago...
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 01:43:56 AM »

I never finished IT primarily because the click-a-thon nature of it actually hurt my wrist. I loved the game though, and my spellcaster was so freaking powerful that blasting enemies and watching their bodies sprayed across the level constantly happened. Yet it never grew old. smile I need/want to go back and finish it but I'm saving my time up for Diablo 3. If I'm going to play a Diablo clone, may as well play an official one. slywink
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 04:36:18 AM »

I finished the original TQ, but was so freaking bored by the end of it that I never bothered with Immortal Throne.  I've also been itching for a Diablo clone lately, but I think I'll wait for Torchlight instead.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 11:36:49 AM »

It's still a great game that holds up pretty well.  The graphics were never optimized all that well and you'll run into an occasional glitch, but besides that it's quite a fun ride.  I believe there's a fan patch somewhere out in the internet wilderness as well. 

As far as which one to play, you install both and just use the Immortal Throne link to start up.  That gives you the enhanced experience through the original chapters and then leads seamlessly to the very large final chapter.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 12:02:38 PM »

I just reinstalled Titan Quest and the expansion a few days ago, though I don't think I'll get much chance to play it. Great game, and huge! Almost too huge. By the time I'm able to play on the higher difficulties I'm burnt out.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 03:05:09 PM »

Been playing quite a bit with my girlfriend and a couple other friends.  I'd like to get my Harbinger through Legendary, but have been waiting on a  buddy to finish Epic with his Conqueror so we could tackle it together.  Sadly, I think he's already burned himself out again so I might just have to go it alone.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 03:58:59 PM »

Does TQ/IT require much powergaming to get through, or can you play it fairly casually and still be successful?  I was thinking about picking it up for a casual "play for 30-60 minutes at a time" game, but I don't want to have to worry about getting overwhelmed if I don't fully optimize all aspects of my character/equipment.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 05:18:02 PM »

If you play it on normal difficulty, you'll be fine.  That said, it's a smash & grab kind of game so loot will be plentiful and is part of the fun (and don't worry about saving much gold because you'll have way more than enough by the time the game is done).  

Some useful things to note -
* Holding down <alt> highlights the items on the ground, which are conveniently color coded to tell you whether it's worth grabbing or not.
* Also, the game has save points.  You can save your character at any time, but when you load him back up he'll be starting from the last save point
* You can reassign your skill points (well, except for the "mastery" points) at various large cities throughout the game for a nominal fee, so you're never stuck with a bad build.
* There are various item upgrades you'll come across called relics.  Before you apply them to items, you will likely want to stack those of the same type to get both higher bonues and a special one if you max out the stack.  There are probabably 50 or so varieties, but they're slightly stage dependent.
* Monsters will only respawn after you load a saved game, at which point all but the bosses will return along with their requisite random drop treasure chests.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »

I just started replaying this a few weeks ago after unsubscribing from WOW (yay! freedom!).  I love the gameplay and think the graphics still look damn good.  

My elementalist is level 33 now and I'm almost done with the base game (Greece/Egypt/Asia). Can't wait to see the new content in Immortal Throne as I only ever played the original game before.

Definitely download TQVault 2.20.  It's incredibly valuable for storing loot and stacking potions.  I couldn't imagine playing the game without this program.
http://titanquestvault.ign.com/View.php?view=ToolsandEditors.Detail&id=6


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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2009, 06:50:38 PM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on September 25, 2009, 01:43:56 AM

I never finished IT primarily because the click-a-thon nature of it actually hurt my wrist. I loved the game though, and my spellcaster was so freaking powerful that blasting enemies and watching their bodies sprayed across the level constantly happened. Yet it never grew old. smile I need/want to go back and finish it but I'm saving my time up for Diablo 3. If I'm going to play a Diablo clone, may as well play an official one. slywink
Oh boy I empathize with you.  icon_smile I saw a doctor 3 times about my "Titan Quest tendinitis." I didn't really have the courage to tell her that I thought playing Titan Quest: Immortal Throne caused it. I had no problems with the original TQ, but some of the combat in Immortal Throne's levels are truly furious and they'll wear out your wrist altogether if you're not careful. I actually got references to "orthopedic specialists," but I'm glad I didn't end up resorting to surgery.

I wore a wrist splint, slathered my wrist with Ben-Gay and the like, tried heating pads, ate a lot of Advil and Alleve. After quitting the game cold turkey, the pain gradually subsided over a period of months, but I don't think I can risk playing the game again.

Although Iron Lore is long gone, there's a very nice fan-run forum over at:
http://www.titanquest.net/
I still get regularly e-mailed updates from them, and people are still creating new mods and levels for the game. The community even got together and created their own "bugfix fanpatch" a while back, though I'd probably read all the fine print and precautions before considering using it.

Immortal Throne added quite a few nice improvements to the game, including handling of the stash, and I felt like Throne's NPCs and quests were far more interesting too. It's just a shame that the original game didn't ship in that state.

I'd be curious if the multiplayer online game browser stuff (which was "powered by Gamespy") still works:



I always loved the "Colossus" (giant) skill, it just never felt quite as omnipotent as it looked.  icon_razz


I forget the name of the spell that allows you to summon 3 gladiator spirits, but I loved it whatever it was.  icon_cool
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2009, 09:43:11 PM »

What do you recommend as a good build? I don't remember much about my previous attempts and I've lost the documentation...  I'd like a relatively easy play experience that is challenging enough that I don't quit, but not TOO easy. I'm a pussy, but want to play the game.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 10:38:15 PM »

i had a pretty good build up until the harder difficulties.  ranger/assassin class with poison and bleed attacks bumped up using a damn nice longbow.  anything that wasn't undead died before they even got in melee range.  i had to kite those guys, but it was doable.  nothing like counting the line of bodies from my feet to the edge of the screen.

best way to play it before you lock yourself in to a class(es) is to play it straight up until you hit level 10 or so (basically, high enough to get access to dual class) without picking any class.  it's harder, sure, but then you can backup your save and then get a good trial for pretty much every primary class (and most dual classes) without wasting points in something you end up regretting.  iirc, there might have been a mod which let you do this.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2009, 10:54:46 PM »

Oddly enough, the above posts about repetitive stress injuries reminds me of a particular favorite: PETS!!! (well, they attack without you clicking, hence ...)
It should be noted that just about every mastery has a pet or two, but I liked my swarm that I created with a Nature/Dream build.  On regular dificulty, the wolves aren't terribly imposing but at harder levels their add-on bonuses can be downright nasty.  You also get a nymph who is tremendously vulnerable to getting waxed, but she'll fill more than her fair share of enemies with arrows before she falls (I also liked her for boss battles).  From the Dream mastery, you get a "nightmare" creature that seems weak when you look at hit points, but he dodges constantly and deals very good magical damage.  The other positive you get from that mix is the addition of several allways-on buffs that help both you and your pets (these usually take what's called an "energy reserve" when they're activated, effectively reducing your maximum energy by a bit).

Some "pet" people also swear by Nature/Earth for the tank you can get via the Earth mastery (the core dweller) and the stone & fire buffs provided there.  There's a lich that can be acquired from the Spirit mastery (and a short term summoning of an "outsider") but that particular speciality doesn't have much in the way of group buffs.

Unless you're feeling rather odd, I wouldn't take Warfare/Defense.  One of the best things about Warfare is you can dual-wield.  One of the best things about Defense is you can do special stuff with a shield.  They're a bit strange to mix unless you've found some way to give your character three arms to use at once.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2009, 06:42:30 AM »

The masteries have different paths and specializations. I've played a Warfare/Defense build all the way to 40, and it worked very well. There will always be parts of masteries that don't fit your build, but the game doesn't punish you for ignoring them. I ignored the dual-wielding stuff, which is only a small part of Warfare.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2009, 12:25:38 PM »

Bah - heresy, I say!   icon_biggrin

Yeah, that was all my opinion - some people (the strange, silly ones) will have a few different points of view just because they haven't yet understood how the universe revolves around me.  Thankfully, I'm magnanimous to accept such shortcomings in others  icon_lol

That said, you are right that the game really doesn't punish you for any choices.  In fact, that's one of the strong points behind it that some other Diablo-style games out there haven't quite mastered.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2009, 12:56:55 PM »

I am playing with a hunting/earth build now and am enjoying it. though, it's an odd mix.  I just got the core dweller and combined with some nice buffs he does rather well while I sit back and pluck people with my fire arrows.
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2009, 02:06:09 PM »

I'm going with a pure caster Storm/Earth build.  I've got two pets: Core Dweller and Wisp.  Set these guys on aggressive, stand back and pop enemies from range.  I can't really take much punishment, but fortunately my ice shards attack is devastating and leaves most things dead in one shot.  Stone Form is also the ultimate 'Oh $%^&' button allowing you to be invulnerable for 7 seconds while you drink potions to regenerate health/mana.  Typhon was really tough to kill (died 5 times), but everything else has been pretty smooth sailing.
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2009, 02:10:08 PM »

how do you pet guys deal with the bosses who turn your pets against you? That always screwed me up IIRC
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2009, 04:58:44 PM »

About halfway through expansion area (Hades).  Some challenging boss fights in there to be sure!

Some of the graphical effects are really nice for such an old game!

I've enjoyed reading these silly scrolls that drops from various mobs.  Reminds me of some of the humorous quests in WoW.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2009, 02:51:00 PM »

Quote from: slackerjoe on October 01, 2009, 04:58:44 PM

Some of the graphical effects are really nice for such an old game!
It's a 2006-2007 release (Immortal Throne came out in March 2007, and destroyed my right wrist about 2 months later), so we're not talking Diablo II (2000) or Darkstone (1999) here, in terms of aging graphics.  icon_smile I hope GoG re-issues Darkstone at some point -- I don't think I can get my CD of that to install anymore.

In retrospect, maybe Iron Lore burned so much money creating an attractive gaming engine, that probably helped put them behind the financial 8-ball when the retail sales didn't really materialize.

Does Titan Quest's multiplayer browser/lobby (which was "powered by Gamespy," so I wasn't clear on whether that support continued after Iron Lore disbanded) still work? I had lots of fun in multiplayer back in 2007.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2009, 04:00:06 PM »

Quote from: Farscry on September 27, 2009, 02:10:08 PM

how do you pet guys deal with the bosses who turn your pets against you? That always screwed me up IIRC
disband, recast.  Not too hard unless you're not paying any attention.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2009, 12:36:18 AM »

Quote from: Dan_Theman on October 02, 2009, 04:00:06 PM

Quote from: Farscry on September 27, 2009, 02:10:08 PM

how do you pet guys deal with the bosses who turn your pets against you? That always screwed me up IIRC
disband, recast.  Not too hard unless you're not paying any attention.

you know, that never occurred to me as a way to deal with that. icon_redface
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 08:30:35 PM »

Quote from: slackerjoe on October 01, 2009, 04:58:44 PM

I've enjoyed reading these silly scrolls that drops from various mobs.  Reminds me of some of the humorous quests in WoW.

I inspired those smile It's my 15 minutes of computer game fame and I never get tired of mentioning it Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 09:44:43 PM »

Quote from: Gryndyl on October 03, 2009, 08:30:35 PM

Quote from: slackerjoe on October 01, 2009, 04:58:44 PM

I've enjoyed reading these silly scrolls that drops from various mobs.  Reminds me of some of the humorous quests in WoW.

I inspired those smile It's my 15 minutes of computer game fame and I never get tired of mentioning it Tongue

Can you elaborate on that?
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2009, 10:38:00 PM »

Quote from: slackerjoe on September 27, 2009, 02:06:09 PM

I'm going with a pure caster Storm/Earth build.  I've got two pets: Core Dweller and Wisp.  Set these guys on aggressive, stand back and pop enemies from range.  I can't really take much punishment, but fortunately my ice shards attack is devastating and leaves most things dead in one shot.  Stone Form is also the ultimate 'Oh $%^&' button allowing you to be invulnerable for 7 seconds while you drink potions to regenerate health/mana.  Typhon was really tough to kill (died 5 times), but everything else has been pretty smooth sailing.
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I'm glad to hear that this is a good build. I am going down a very similar path. I have been working on an Elementalist build, too, but I am focusing on the Volcanic Orb (from the Earth tree) instead of the Ice Shards.
   
I am determined to finally beat Typhon. I beat him in the original game with a Defender type build (can't remember my secondary class), but that was before the patch when you could destroy his pillars. I have yet to be able to take him down in the expansion, so I have never even seen the expansion content.  I had a Harbinger (Warrior/Dream) that couldn't even dent Typhon. I would get him down and then he'd do his health regen thing and be right back to full health. I'm hoping the Elementalist will finally get me past him.
   
   

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Quote from: slackerjoe on October 01, 2009, 04:58:44 PM

I've enjoyed reading these silly scrolls that drops from various mobs.  Reminds me of some of the humorous quests in WoW.

I inspired those smile It's my 15 minutes of computer game fame and I never get tired of mentioning it Tongue
   
I remember your original monster "diary" (over on OO, perhaps?). It was awesome and I was glad to see that they included it in the expansion.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2009, 07:28:20 AM »

Quote from: Razgon on October 03, 2009, 09:44:43 PM

Quote from: Gryndyl on October 03, 2009, 08:30:35 PM

Quote from: slackerjoe on October 01, 2009, 04:58:44 PM

I've enjoyed reading these silly scrolls that drops from various mobs.  Reminds me of some of the humorous quests in WoW.

I inspired those smile It's my 15 minutes of computer game fame and I never get tired of mentioning it Tongue

Can you elaborate on that?

I wrote a couple of diaries, one from the perspective of a beastman archer and one from the perspective of the lich pet. They were a big hit on the TQ forums and with the devs. My beastman archer is included as a rare spawn boss in the expansion (actually appears in the original part of the game but only if you have the expansion) and the humorous letters that you find were the devs having fun writing along the same ideas.

They're archived in a blog here (read from the bottom up): http://beastman-archer.livejournal.com/
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 03:13:23 AM »

Fwiw, Steam just kicked in a 50% off sale on both Titan Quest and the Immortal Throne expansion (noticed link at Blue's):
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/402/
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2009, 03:16:35 AM »

Quote from: Blackjack on October 13, 2009, 03:13:23 AM

Fwiw, Steam just kicked in a 50% off sale on both Titan Quest and the Immortal Throne expansion (noticed link at Blue's):
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/402/

that sales supposedly only good for today, tomorrow will be another THQ title.  it's THQ week.
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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2009, 03:37:52 AM »

I've been having a good time with this again. I ended up turning my Pyromancer into a Conjurer (Earth/Spirit) instead of an Elementalist as mentioned above, but still very much in line with slackerjoe's build above. I have a Core Dweller and a Lich King and I'm just standing back lobbing volcanic orbs and firing with my staff while they do all the heavy lifting. I'm plowing my way through Act 3 at the moment and actually have some hope that Typhon might finally fall and I might actually see some expansion content this time around. smile
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2010, 12:43:42 AM »

Checking out a few mods to this:

Masteries
Paths
Destinies

are three mods that rework the skills

and

Lilith

is a mod that is an entirely new world and campaign.

All of the mods listed at the top are available in a version that works with Lilith so you have some mix and match compatibility.

I've played a bit of Lilith and I played quite a bit with Masteries way back.  Looking forward to trying it all out here.  I also tried another mod, which was called Occult at the time and apparently is now known as Underlord but it's not on my plate for now.
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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2010, 06:49:21 PM »

Quote from: Dan_Theman on September 25, 2009, 11:36:49 AM

As far as which one to play, you install both and just use the Immortal Throne link to start up.  That gives you the enhanced experience through the original chapters and then leads seamlessly to the very large final chapter.

D'oh! I just got the gold edition and played all the way through the first two acts, and a couple quests in Asia using the regular Titan Quest shortcut...

Still, I've been having a lot of fun with this. My Warfare/Defense build is working out well so far. And yeah, money is certainly never an issue. Even at the beginning I was bringing in far more than I was spending (which was only on potions), and now I have over 3 million. I guess I can stop lugging yellow items back to town any time now.

The game looks really nice. Beautiful effects and texture work. It also runs very well, and the load times are virtually nonexistent, even when teleporting through the various acts. And looking in the task manager I see that it's only using up...200 megs of memory? Madness!

Oh well. Back to the grind! *click*

*click* *click*

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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2010, 06:51:57 PM »

I think you can start Immortal Throne and convert your regular character to it with no issues. You just missed out on the new features for those two first chapters of the game.
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