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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2006, 01:18:30 AM »

I think the PS3 is a pretty giant failure..  They did about everything they could do wrong with it.  For one, they were so interested in pushing their own proprietary nonsense, they decided to develop a console around it to help push it, and in the end, may have shot themselves in the foot.

MOST gamers probably just wanted a really nice upgrade to the PS2, that was 100% backwards compatible (with 100% redition including special controllers, with perhaps even upscaling - imagine that), and probably weren't the least bit concerned with what kind of DVD player it had on it.  Then Sony alienated a vast majority of their third party development studios, and managed to piss some off enough where they moved to Xbox development.

In retrospect, what Sony should have done was released a $300 console that was a great upgrade to the PS3, fully compatible with the PS1 and PS2 libraries with some upscaling, tossed in the right cables, and called it a day.  IF they had done this, Sony would be sitting with the number one selling console this season, as a vast majority of people buying PS2's this season, probably would have rushed out and got the PS3 instead - me included.
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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2006, 01:23:32 AM »

There's definitely a lot of caveat emptor involved; all the TV geeks I listen to will clearly state that some sets and manufacturers are better for game players... and a great many are must-avoids.

The complication and difficulty of buying an HD-TV was the entire reason I sidestepped the entire issue and went with a media center.  HD-TV's I don't know crap about, but computers I feel very comfortable with.  And quite honestly, after reading all the information and specs and suggestions and things to avoid in making an HD-TV purchase... it just gave me a damn headache.  Add that to the fact I have a limited amount of living space to play with, and it sealed the deal!

...and the fact that I spend about $1000 less didn't factor in... of course not   Tongue
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2006, 01:38:47 AM »

2007 should be a monster year for HD.. Prices are dropping fast, the laserHD units should make their appearance, and HD sources should be improved to a great extent.  Some manufacturers of HD units are incredibly worried about the rapid price drops;

http://news.com.com/TV+prices+dropping+too+fast,+Sony+says/2100-1041_3-6142785.html

Rumors are, 42" Vizio LCD with improved glass and 1080p will cost $699 before the end of next year, this from the Vizio rep I talked to at Costco today. Thats an incredibly huge drop in price.  Q3/Q4 2007 looks to be a pretty big sweetspot for HD purchasing.
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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2006, 01:46:44 AM »

Quote from: rrmorton on December 20, 2006, 12:52:41 AM

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BTW I sold my old Samsung Blu-Ray player today for $700...sucker.  icon_cool

Define "old."

And while you're at it, define "sucker."

Sucker = person that buys a used Blu-Ray player for $700, when it can be had for $799 new at Best Buy.

Old = Player that is older than my new PS3 that plays Blu-Rays better than the older standalone unit.
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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2006, 02:23:51 AM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 19, 2006, 09:37:40 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 19, 2006, 09:24:34 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 19, 2006, 09:14:45 PM

The PS3 isn't a failure...it's peoples TV buying skills that are the failure. If someone bought a TV that only does 1080i....they have only themselves to blame for that, not Sony. They should have waited until the whole HD thing sorted itself out. That said, Sony is trying to help these people out.

 :icon_eek:

 saywhat

Now I know what an acid trip feels like...

Ok, how is it Sony's fault that someone purchased a 1080i only TV? Should it have scaled games for people, sure....but come on. What more do you want from them???

Oh, ok....you got me. I admit, Sony was very stupid for not having it scale. What the hell were they thinking? I do think that having at 1080i only TV is dumb...but that doesn't excuse Sony. Anyway, Ridah threw something out there that was ment to cause this kind of reaction....so I played along. How did I do?  icon_lol

Oh and BTW I sold my old Samsung Blu-Ray player today for $700...sucker.  icon_cool


You have absolutely gone off the deep end.
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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2006, 03:03:15 AM »

Quote from: Calvin on December 20, 2006, 02:23:51 AM

Quote from: Hetz on December 19, 2006, 09:37:40 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 19, 2006, 09:24:34 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 19, 2006, 09:14:45 PM

The PS3 isn't a failure...it's peoples TV buying skills that are the failure. If someone bought a TV that only does 1080i....they have only themselves to blame for that, not Sony. They should have waited until the whole HD thing sorted itself out. That said, Sony is trying to help these people out.

 :icon_eek:

 saywhat

Now I know what an acid trip feels like...

Ok, how is it Sony's fault that someone purchased a 1080i only TV? Should it have scaled games for people, sure....but come on. What more do you want from them???

Oh, ok....you got me. I admit, Sony was very stupid for not having it scale. What the hell were they thinking? I do think that having at 1080i only TV is dumb...but that doesn't excuse Sony. Anyway, Ridah threw something out there that was ment to cause this kind of reaction....so I played along. How did I do?  icon_lol

Oh and BTW I sold my old Samsung Blu-Ray player today for $700...sucker.  icon_cool


You have absolutely gone off the deep end.

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How so?

 paranoid paranoid paranoid
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2006, 03:37:53 AM »

When I bought my TV earlier this year I didn't know 1080p was the next big thing. They weren't out then (or were very expensive) and I was already overwhelmed by the technology. I would think the vast majority of us don't own 1080p TVs. I can't and won't keep upgrading my TV.
 
So along those lines Hetz, you are going over the top. Just because you can afford all this stuff, doesn't mean we all can.
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2006, 03:42:32 AM »

Quote from: Lee on December 20, 2006, 03:37:53 AM

When I bought my TV earlier this year I didn't know 1080p was the next big thing. They weren't out then (or were very expensive) and I was already overwhelmed by the technology. I would think the vast majority of us don't own 1080p TVs. I can't and won't keep upgrading my TV.
 
So along those lines Hetz, you are going over the top. Just because you can afford all this stuff, doesn't mean we all can.

I think a vast majority of people purchased 1080i, you are in good company.  To say people that purchased 1080i TV's are stupid is just way over the top, that was essentially all that was available for a long time.  Sony is digging their own grave.  I am actually pullin' for the 360 to kick some ass at this point. While they aren't perfect, they certainly weren't malicious to consumers like Sony has been with the PS3.
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2006, 03:50:57 AM »

Quote from: Lee on December 20, 2006, 03:37:53 AM

When I bought my TV earlier this year I didn't know 1080p was the next big thing. They weren't out then (or were very expensive) and I was already overwhelmed by the technology. I would think the vast majority of us don't own 1080p TVs. I can't and won't keep upgrading my TV.
 
So along those lines Hetz, you are going over the top. Just because you can afford all this stuff, doesn't mean we all can.

The discussion is whether or not Sony is screwing customers with 1080i sets that aren't 720p capable. 1080p isn't at issue here.
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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2006, 04:00:51 AM »

On second thought, never mind.
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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2006, 04:18:03 AM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on December 20, 2006, 03:50:57 AM

The discussion is whether or not Sony is screwing customers with 1080i sets that aren't 720p capable. 1080p isn't at issue here.

Maybe I did misunderstand, I was referring to the following comment by Hetz, but I guess I took it out of context.

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The PS3 isn't a failure...it's peoples TV buying skills that are the failure. If someone bought a TV that only does 1080i....they have only themselves to blame for that, not Sony. They should have waited until the whole HD thing sorted itself out.
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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2006, 04:24:01 AM »

Quote from: Lee on December 20, 2006, 04:18:03 AM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on December 20, 2006, 03:50:57 AM

The discussion is whether or not Sony is screwing customers with 1080i sets that aren't 720p capable. 1080p isn't at issue here.

Maybe I did misunderstand, I was referring to the following comment by Hetz, but I guess I took it out of context.

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The PS3 isn't a failure...it's peoples TV buying skills that are the failure. If someone bought a TV that only does 1080i....they have only themselves to blame for that, not Sony. They should have waited until the whole HD thing sorted itself out.

Right. He was referring to sets that can accept a 1080i signal but cannot accept a 720p signal. The PS3 won't scale a game rendered in 720p to 1080i. It will render the game at 480p instead. So, if you have a set that can't accept a 720p signal, you have to play the game at an SD resolution.

While I agree with Hetz that all HDTV buyers should purchase a set that can accept both 720p and 1080i signals, it doesn't excuse Sony for omitting a basic feature that the 360 and all other HD home electronic devices have.
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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2006, 04:54:58 AM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 20, 2006, 01:46:44 AM

Quote from: rrmorton on December 20, 2006, 12:52:41 AM

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BTW I sold my old Samsung Blu-Ray player today for $700...sucker.  icon_cool

Define "old."

And while you're at it, define "sucker."

Sucker = person that buys a used Blu-Ray player for $700, when it can be had for $799 new at Best Buy.

Old = Player that is older than my new PS3 that plays Blu-Rays better than the older standalone unit.

I see Hetz is getting as used to ripping off people as Sony is....

Oh, and if people should have waited for the HDTV to settle on a standard shouldn't they wait for BR/HDDVD to sort itself out?
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« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2006, 07:28:08 AM »

Quote from: rrmorton on December 20, 2006, 04:00:51 AM

On second thought, never mind.

Why not, it was funny and true!
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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2006, 05:03:34 PM »

Quote from: gellar on December 19, 2006, 06:36:50 PM

It certainly wasn't Sony's best moment, nor was it even a particularly good moment, but I'm not certain it was one of the top 5 failures of 2006.  Top 10, maybe slywink

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I would agree, but if it was solely based on hype, then maybe its the most overhyped thing of 2006, but failure? Thats probably too harsh and incorrect.
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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2006, 05:04:32 PM »

Quote from: ATB on December 19, 2006, 08:11:02 PM

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I like how they don't mention Iraq or the Republicans trying to keep control of the government.

I find it funny that communism/socialism hasn't made the list for the last 90 years straight...




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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2006, 05:13:32 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 19, 2006, 09:14:45 PM

Quote from: Ridah on December 19, 2006, 08:20:33 PM

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The PS3 itself as a piece of hardware certainly can't be called a failure.

Maybe, maybe not. It's still too early to tell. The thing can't even scale resolutions correctly.

The PS3 isn't a failure...it's peoples TV buying skills that are the failure. If someone bought a TV that only does 1080i....they have only themselves to blame for that, not Sony. They should have waited until the whole HD thing sorted itself out. That said, Sony is trying to help these people out.

I think the whole thing stems from them not wanting to upscale DVD's (and kill off the one advantage that standalone Blu-Ray players have), so they just decided not to upscale anything at all.

Come on Hetz, you know and I know that many people in the early stages of HDTV had little choice but to get CRT or RPCRT HDTV's, most of which were 1080i only. There are millions of those TV's still out there, and Sony knew that, but rather than adjust to them, they omitted an important cog in the HD plan, scaling.
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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2006, 05:16:51 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 19, 2006, 09:31:05 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on December 19, 2006, 09:20:05 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 19, 2006, 09:14:45 PM

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The PS3 itself as a piece of hardware certainly can't be called a failure.

Maybe, maybe not. It's still too early to tell. The thing can't even scale resolutions correctly.

The PS3 isn't a failure...it's peoples TV buying skills that are the failure. If someone bought a TV that only does 1080i....they have only themselves to blame for that, not Sony. They should have waited until the whole HD thing sorted itself out. That said, Sony is trying to help these people out.

I love my PS3 so far, but the lack of a scaler on the system is a ridiculous omission. All high-end HD output devices have scalers... except for the PS3. The only explanation is that Sony was trying to cut corners wherever they could.

As I said above: I think the whole thing stems from them not wanting to upscale DVD's (and kill off the one advantage that standalone Blu-Ray players have), so they just decided not to upscale anything at all. It's not cutting corners, it's trying not to kill your retail partners. It's not like the PS3 is incapable of doing it. They just need to change the firmware to have it upscale everything but DVD's.

Why not upscale DVD's? You have DVD penetration in what, 90% of US homes? Thats a lot of movies out there and if people have HDTV's and use HDMI on that TV, why not let your product upconvert the source material? It's just.....strange, that they would omit that from the system, but thats just one mans opinion.
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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2006, 05:17:06 PM »

The media was all over Iraq.  It was neck deep in it.  But I suppose that was 2003, not 2006.
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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2006, 05:24:42 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:16:51 PM

Why not upscale DVD's? You have DVD penetration in what, 90% of US homes? Thats a lot of movies out there and if people have HDTV's and use HDMI on that TV, why not let your product upconvert the source material? It's just.....strange, that they would omit that from the system, but thats just one mans opinion.

The inability to upscale DVDs is even more disappointing because the PS3 is such a good DVD player. It totally blows my standalone Panasonic away in image quality. Best DVD reproduction I've seen on my TV and light years better than the 360's.
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« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2006, 05:30:58 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on December 20, 2006, 05:24:42 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:16:51 PM

Why not upscale DVD's? You have DVD penetration in what, 90% of US homes? Thats a lot of movies out there and if people have HDTV's and use HDMI on that TV, why not let your product upconvert the source material? It's just.....strange, that they would omit that from the system, but thats just one mans opinion.

The inability to upscale DVDs is even more disappointing because the PS3 is such a good DVD player. It totally blows my standalone Panasonic away in image quality. Best DVD reproduction I've seen on my TV and light years better than the 360's.

Yeah... I was totally expecting it to do that and was pretty bummed when I found out it didn't.

I was even more bummed when I found out you couldn't use a friggin IR remote with it.  Who the hell thought THAT was a good idea?

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« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2006, 05:33:31 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on December 20, 2006, 05:24:42 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:16:51 PM

Why not upscale DVD's? You have DVD penetration in what, 90% of US homes? Thats a lot of movies out there and if people have HDTV's and use HDMI on that TV, why not let your product upconvert the source material? It's just.....strange, that they would omit that from the system, but thats just one mans opinion.

The inability to upscale DVDs is even more disappointing because the PS3 is such a good DVD player. It totally blows my standalone Panasonic away in image quality. Best DVD reproduction I've seen on my TV and light years better than the 360's.

I certainly have heard that, and that does add to the disappointment factor. Surely they will fix this though, it can't be very popular with the customers. I have to say though Andrew, the 360 scores EXTREMELY well, an 84 to be exact, on Secret's benchmark test, for DVD playback and upconversion, when using the add on, and I have to be honest, over VGA, it rivals my Sony upconverting 85H series DVD player, in picture quality, for upconversion.

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« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2006, 05:38:26 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:33:31 PM

Surely they will fix this though

Not sure they can fix that, not in hardware at least.
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« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2006, 05:45:52 PM »

How does the new DVD player in the PS2-Slim score?  I have read rave reviews of it, saying with component cables it is a fantastic progressive scan DVD player.

When my kids get their PS2-Slim, I plan on using it as a primary DVD player in the household because of the reviews I have read, and the fact that I can return my existing upscaling player to Costco and get my money back - which pays for the PS2..   ninja
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« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2006, 05:47:22 PM »

Quote from: Misguided on December 20, 2006, 05:38:26 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:33:31 PM

Surely they will fix this though

Not sure they can fix that, not in hardware at least.

I'm sorry, maybe I was mistaken. I thought it was a firmware issue that could be easily remedied, is that not the case?
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« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2006, 05:48:43 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on December 20, 2006, 05:45:52 PM

How does the new DVD player in the PS2-Slim score?  I have read rave reviews of it, saying with component cables it is a fantastic progressive scan DVD player.

When my kids get their PS2-Slim, I plan on using it as a primary DVD player in the household because of the reviews I have read, and the fact that I can return my existing upscaling player to Costco and get my money back - which pays for the PS2..   ninja

Kobra, I'm sorry, but I can't seem to find any data for the slim one. Here is all I could find:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_1/dvd-benchmark-sony-ps2-dvd-player-3-2001.html

You should know though that from what I remember, the DVD output from the PS2 is worse than average, lacking in detail, and overly dark. You might wanna keep the player.
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« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2006, 05:50:36 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:47:22 PM

Quote from: Misguided on December 20, 2006, 05:38:26 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:33:31 PM

Surely they will fix this though

Not sure they can fix that, not in hardware at least.

I'm sorry, maybe I was mistaken. I thought it was a firmware issue that could be easily remedied, is that not the case?

I've heard that the PS3 does not have a hardware scaler, which is the source of most of these issues. 
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« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2006, 05:52:07 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on December 20, 2006, 05:50:36 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:47:22 PM

Quote from: Misguided on December 20, 2006, 05:38:26 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:33:31 PM

Surely they will fix this though

Not sure they can fix that, not in hardware at least.

I'm sorry, maybe I was mistaken. I thought it was a firmware issue that could be easily remedied, is that not the case?


I've heard that the PS3 does not have a hardware scaler, which is the source of most of these issues. 

WOW, then boy, I was way off then. I had either heard differenly, or misread what IGN put out on the issue.
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« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2006, 05:56:40 PM »

Quote from: gellar on December 20, 2006, 05:30:58 PM


Yeah... I was totally expecting it to do that and was pretty bummed when I found out it didn't.

I was even more bummed when I found out you couldn't use a friggin IR remote with it.  Who the hell thought THAT was a good idea?

gellar

Yeah, my girlfriend laughed when I pulled out the controller to watch a movie with her this past weekend. Anyone have any news on a third-party IR receiver for the PS3?
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« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2006, 05:57:37 PM »

 Bring your own!
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« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2006, 07:11:19 PM »

You know Hetz would have a point except for the fact that Sony themselves finally released their own Blu-Ray player to the market.  (Late of course)  Now why in the heck would they market the PS3 as basically a Console built around a Blu-Ray player?!  Why?!  It's stupid what they have done. 

Hell, you could have a Blu-Ray player add on for the PS3 and cut 200 bucks off the price of the damn console and then it's competitive and basically primed to be #1 console again!  That in turn would more than likely have eliminated most, if not all of the problems that they have had with the PS3.  (Missed release dates, high prices, supply problems, etc...)

If you are going to try and market the next generation in HD DVD formats you do it through a STAND ALONE player and access to lot's of movies.  They have both right, but it's late to the market, and it's totally overshadowed by the stupid PS3 Blu-Ray player - oops I mean Game Console I guess. 

It's simply shocking to see a company like Sony with such major resources and so many major successes make so many bad mistakes with one of the things that has been a pinnacle of success for them in the past.  Even if you love Sony and all of the things that they have done right, you have to admit they went about the PS3/Blu-Ray thing all wrong.  They pretty much completely botched the whole thing from beginning to end.     
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« Reply #72 on: December 20, 2006, 07:35:01 PM »

I wouldn't go that far, but it certainly added a lot of costs to the system. Is it gonna be worth it? Depends on whether BR takes off or not. Personally, I think it was a good idea for them to include BR playback, but I think they should have done something to lessen the cost of the technology, which is STILL so expensive its driving people away. Granted, the PS3 is a "cheaper" alternative for those that want BR, but I would hazard a guess the players drop below PS3 price levels before the PS3 has its first price drop. If you look at it that way, a case can be made that it was unnecessary in the PS3, but its a moot point, its done, its in there, and its up to people whether or not they want to go for it or not.
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« Reply #73 on: December 20, 2006, 08:05:50 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:48:43 PM

Quote from: Kobra on December 20, 2006, 05:45:52 PM

How does the new DVD player in the PS2-Slim score?  I have read rave reviews of it, saying with component cables it is a fantastic progressive scan DVD player.

When my kids get their PS2-Slim, I plan on using it as a primary DVD player in the household because of the reviews I have read, and the fact that I can return my existing upscaling player to Costco and get my money back - which pays for the PS2..   ninja

Kobra, I'm sorry, but I can't seem to find any data for the slim one. Here is all I could find:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_1/dvd-benchmark-sony-ps2-dvd-player-3-2001.html

You should know though that from what I remember, the DVD output from the PS2 is worse than average, lacking in detail, and overly dark. You might wanna keep the player.

This is for the PS2, which I did read had a pretty lousy DVD player.  But some AV mags I run into say that the PS2-Slim has a massively upgraded progressive scan 480p output DVD player.  Apparently it also plays more formats than the original.
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« Reply #74 on: December 20, 2006, 08:12:59 PM »

Quote from: Kobra on December 20, 2006, 08:05:50 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 20, 2006, 05:48:43 PM

Quote from: Kobra on December 20, 2006, 05:45:52 PM

How does the new DVD player in the PS2-Slim score?  I have read rave reviews of it, saying with component cables it is a fantastic progressive scan DVD player.

When my kids get their PS2-Slim, I plan on using it as a primary DVD player in the household because of the reviews I have read, and the fact that I can return my existing upscaling player to Costco and get my money back - which pays for the PS2..   ninja

Kobra, I'm sorry, but I can't seem to find any data for the slim one. Here is all I could find:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_1/dvd-benchmark-sony-ps2-dvd-player-3-2001.html

You should know though that from what I remember, the DVD output from the PS2 is worse than average, lacking in detail, and overly dark. You might wanna keep the player.

This is for the PS2, which I did read had a pretty lousy DVD player.  But some AV mags I run into say that the PS2-Slim has a massively upgraded progressive scan 480p output DVD player.  Apparently it also plays more formats than the original.

I can't confirm that, but if so, then it should be fine for you. Have you heard if the incompatibility issues with some DVD's has been addressed?
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« Reply #75 on: December 20, 2006, 09:29:49 PM »

You are all Nutz... You really think that Sony will fail with the PS3... Wait until 2007, when there available with no problem. Wait for the games to come out... By the way I have NEVER owned a Sony console, but the odds are with Sony. Millions own the PS2, once the PS3 is available to get with no problem they will sell and if not then Sony will lower the price, then it will definitely sell. Not sure exactly what to think about the Blue-ray DVD move in the PS3, but time will tell with that. If you think about it and the Blue-Ray DVD movies fail and HD-DVD wins, then Sony will just push the Blue-Ray DVD as a gaming DVD not for movies. (Which I believe they are already stated)

One other thing I do understand that they only put a few hundred thousand PS3's out, but they did sell NO problems. I am sure if Sony released 1 million PS3's this holiday they would have sold. Failure is a strong word for something millions of people want...

Yes Sony does suck for not putting more out now. They should have just waited until they had a solid amount available to sell I don't believe it would have made a difference on they would sell. Anyway you get my point.
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« Reply #76 on: December 20, 2006, 09:31:56 PM »

Your optimism is respected, but I don't think many in this thread agreed with it being labeled a failure, so calling us "nutz" might be misplaced.
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« Reply #77 on: December 20, 2006, 09:40:23 PM »

I think that the fact that they only released a few hundred thousand and in the week before xmas they are going for barely over retail and sometimes below retail cost on Ebay while the Wii costs a little under twice retail on Ebay shows that it is a failure. if Sony released a million then you would be able to walk into best buy and see a pile of PS3's in the store. I dont think the PS3 will fail but with all the bad press and the high price they are just not the success a sony console should be. I will get a PS3 when a must have game comes out but until then I have more games than I can play on the 360 and Wii.

I sold my first PS3 on launch day on ebay when they were making a profit and I have walked into best buy in mid afternoon a week ago or so and saw a PS3 and I wouldnt buy it and it had obviously been there a while since the store had been opened for hours. Sony is selling out but considering the quantities and the fact that it is Christmas if they didnt sell all of them it wouldnt be a failure it would be a total disaster
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« Reply #78 on: December 20, 2006, 09:58:18 PM »

I think it all goes back to the decision to force feed us Blu Ray.  Put a DVD drive in there and sell it for $399 and Sony would have been fine. 
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« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2006, 10:15:00 PM »

Quote from: bluntman72 on December 20, 2006, 09:40:23 PM

I think that the fact that they only released a few hundred thousand and in the week before xmas they are going for barely over retail and sometimes below retail cost on Ebay while the Wii costs a little under twice retail on Ebay shows that it is a failure. if Sony released a million then you would be able to walk into best buy and see a pile of PS3's in the store. I dont think the PS3 will fail but with all the bad press and the high price they are just not the success a sony console should be. I will get a PS3 when a must have game comes out but until then I have more games than I can play on the 360 and Wii.

I sold my first PS3 on launch day on ebay when they were making a profit and I have walked into best buy in mid afternoon a week ago or so and saw a PS3 and I wouldnt buy it and it had obviously been there a while since the store had been opened for hours. Sony is selling out but considering the quantities and the fact that it is Christmas if they didnt sell all of them it wouldnt be a failure it would be a total disaster

You decided all that after seeing one PS3 on a shelf? I've never seen a PS3 on a store shelf, so Sony must've had the greatest launch in the history of consoles ever.
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