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« on: September 27, 2006, 12:59:32 AM »

I finally got around to starting up PoP: The Two Thrones on a hungover Sunday, after picking up the game cheap and knowing I'd play it at some point, and it totally has me hooked in the same way Sands of Time did. I have Warrior Within, never found it all that engaging and gave up on it maybe a quarter of the way through, but Two Thrones is fun. It's maybe not as polished as the first one, but the gameplay itself seems a little tighter, both in platforming and combat. And the speed kill system is a great way to have a sort of steath/puzzler approach to fighting. Especially when you can chain the kills together - mega cool.

And I know a bunch of you have played the game already, but I just had to shout out. Much better than the second game, in my opinion, and only lesser than the first in that the novelty has kind of worn off. (And the writing isn't as good.) If you enjoyed the first one, Two Thrones is a great purchase. Reminds me why video games are fun.
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2006, 01:16:13 AM »

I hardly played the first.  Played the second about an hour.  But I was pretty captivated by this one.  Not sure what it was, but yeah, it's a pretty cool game.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2006, 01:34:30 AM »

Dafones, I pretty much agree with everything you said.  I think the pure gameplay in TTT is the best in the series, but the first game stilll has a certain magic to it that puts it at the top of the heap. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2006, 05:15:27 AM »

I agree with you both.  The first one was simply amazing.  But the third one has the benefit of some very refined gameplay.  I was a good ways in to this one when my 360 came along and distracted me from it.  Hmm, perhaps it's time to go back, but I'm just afraid I've lost my princely skills.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2006, 10:48:24 AM »

One of the best gaming trilogies in history.

PoP:SoT is magic.

WW is good.

TTT is great.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2006, 03:09:34 PM »

What I find interesting is that playing The Two Thrones makes me want to go back and complete Warrior Within, and I probably will, after I'm done with TTT.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2006, 03:42:16 PM »

Quote from: Dafones on September 27, 2006, 03:09:34 PM

What I find interesting is that playing The Two Thrones makes me want to go back and complete Warrior Within, and I probably will, after I'm done with TTT.

I enjoyed WW. I know the radical departure in style was offputting to many, but the gameplay was great, imo.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2006, 05:29:56 PM »

The Two Thrones starts well, but it devolves into mediocrity as it goes. The speed kill system is awesome at first, but as the game progresses it quickly wears out its welcome. The story and atmosphere isn't nearly as good as it was in the first game, and the platforming isn't as nearly as good as it was in the second game.

The way I break down the series is:

SoT - best atmosphere, story, pacing, art design
WW - crap story,  crap art design, but awesome platforming
TTT - decent story, bland environments, dull gameplay

TTT took the best elements of the first two games and watered them down quite a bit. It's still a very good game, but it really peters out at the end.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2006, 04:17:51 AM »

Quote from: Dafones on September 27, 2006, 03:09:34 PM

What I find interesting is that playing The Two Thrones makes me want to go back and complete Warrior Within, and I probably will, after I'm done with TTT.

I picked up both games when they went cheap.  I'm currently forcing myself to finish Warrior Within before going on to TTT, which is pretty hard since WW has become a bit more of a chore.  I think I'm halfway through and I honesty have lost interest in the story (I really don't care where I'm going and why).  The platforming is pretty awesome though, but its the combat that I don't really care for (especially when they throw wave after wave of enemies in a tight space where you can't use your acrobatic advantage)

is there more of a story in TTT?  something where I'll be motivated to see what happens next??
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2006, 04:32:54 AM »

Quote from: lex on September 28, 2006, 04:17:51 AM

is there more of a story in TTT?  something where I'll be motivated to see what happens next??

Yes, the story is much improved in TTT. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2006, 05:13:11 AM »

It was the combat in WW that turned me off as well, but I've found through playing TTT that I've really underutilized the slow down feature when fighting. As long as you get sand back when you take out a baddie, using slow almost guarentees a kill, which fills you back up so that you can hit slow once again for the next chump

It's a little repetative, but makes the combat easier. I just can't remember if the sand is as abundant in WW as it is in TTT.


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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2006, 04:26:27 PM »

Still playing, still enjoying, but man, man did that sub-boss fight after the second chariot race drain my spirits. It's not necessarily a bad fight on it's own, but I must have attempted a dozen sessions against the sword-and-axe twins without scratching them before I was sent weeping to game faqs to see just what the fuck I was doing wrong.

And it turns out that it's not a complicated fight pattern/mechanic, it's just impossible to foresee, to pick up on. It's rather sloppy game design, in my opinion, and my only real negative thought on the game. Everything else has been pretty damn entertaining.

But damn it, I didn't want to have to be a chump and look at a guide for help. Lord knows how long I would have kept playing (or had the patience to keep playing) before I accidentally sumbled on the correct strategy to beat those two.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2006, 04:34:34 PM »

That fight was cheap and, by far, the worst part of the game.  It's smooth sailing after that. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2006, 05:16:41 PM »

Quote from: Dafones on October 01, 2006, 04:26:27 PM

Still playing, still enjoying, but man, man did that sub-boss fight after the second chariot race drain my spirits. It's not necessarily a bad fight on it's own, but I must have attempted a dozen sessions against the sword-and-axe twins without scratching them before I was sent weeping to game faqs to see just what I was doing wrong.

O RLY?  slywink

Really no other comment as the linked rant pretty much sums it up.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2006, 05:44:49 PM »

Quote from: ATB on October 01, 2006, 05:16:41 PM

Quote from: Dafones on October 01, 2006, 04:26:27 PM

Still playing, still enjoying, but man, man did that sub-boss fight after the second chariot race drain my spirits. It's not necessarily a bad fight on it's own, but I must have attempted a dozen sessions against the sword-and-axe twins without scratching them before I was sent weeping to game faqs to see just what I was doing wrong.

O RLY?  slywink

Really no other comment as the linked rant pretty much sums it up.



You didn't have any of the life upgrades? Fuck TTT, I weep for you.
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2006, 08:30:30 PM »

I don't get the hate for that boss fight. The one against the two guys? IIRC, doesn't the game show a cut scene early in the fight that indicates exactly what needs to be done?
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2006, 09:04:29 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on October 01, 2006, 08:30:30 PM

I don't get the hate for that boss fight. The one against the two guys? IIRC, doesn't the game show a cut scene early in the fight that indicates exactly what needs to be done?


No, you're only told what to do after you've figured it out.

Now, you could easily fluke out, focus solely on the swordsman right from the get go, stumble upon the "trick" to the battle, and never encounter a problem. Or, you could spend half an hour not understanding how to beat the two of them when they are able to block everything you try and your time powers are rendered useless against them. Like me.

Again, it's not a difficult fight, but there's no way to know how to win it unless you happen to hate the guy with the sword more than the guy with the axe.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2006, 09:15:30 PM »

The other issue is that the second chariot race can be kind of difficult, so it's tempting to use up your sandtanks during the race which leaves you empty for the fight.  At least, that's what happened to me- I had to beat the fight without any sandtanks because I didn't feel like redoing the Chariot segment. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2006, 05:49:00 AM »

See I never found the chariot sequences all that tough so when I arrived at Tweedles Dee & Dumb I had all my tanks ready to go. Used up quickly, they soon were. I agree it's poor design to tell you the trick after the fight. On the other hand, I thought the story was solid but the character development/redemption angle was what put it over the top for me. The return to the SoT storyline felt like I was finally playing the true continuation of the saga. While the final boss was teh suck the final cinematic made up for it by what the prince said. icon_wink
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2006, 02:45:24 PM »

Another shitty boss fight? Sweeeeet.

As least the game's back to the good stuff.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2006, 03:42:20 PM »

I don't remember the final boss...but needless to say, it's nowher near as difficult as the hammer brothers...
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2006, 03:45:18 PM »

I liked the final boss because having it being based on platforming skill vice combat skill seemed very appropriate. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2006, 09:12:22 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on October 02, 2006, 03:45:18 PM

I liked the final boss because having it being based on platforming skill vice combat skill seemed very appropriate. 

I agree that the concept was sound, but it felt extremely cliched compared to the boss fight in the original. In SoT the enemy isn't the Vizier, it's the environment. That's why I think everyone was thrown by how easily the old guy was dispatched. He's 80-something and suffering from TB. Of course he's going down in two hits. But the end boss in TTT was a lot trickier and it didn't feel very original to me. Nor did it feel like a "major epic watershed moment of good-versus-evil" considering the circumstances of the entire TTT story.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2006, 03:31:05 AM »

Alright, all the talk about TTT has made me question whether I should plow through WW and finish it before I start up TTT or just give up on WW now.  In WW, I'm at the point where:

Spoiler for Hiden:
I've killed the Empress of Time and I've just picked up the scorpion sword.  I'm stuck on the battles that follow; I'm just getting really frustrated with the combat at this point right now.


So is it worth it to keep going??  From the looks on gamefaqs, I'm about halfway through the game.  Is the other half really that combat intensive or are there some really cool platform puzzles?
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2006, 11:08:21 AM »

I think most people are going to say no because WW has two endings and unless you bust your butt you won't get the one that TTT starts with anyway.

I would say yes, but that's because I love the trilogy and prefer to play games in order seeing the whole story. 

If you think it will just be an exercise in frustration, then skip it as TTT is a better game.
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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2006, 12:20:20 PM »

Quote from: ATB on October 03, 2006, 11:08:21 AM

I think most people are going to say no because WW has two endings and unless you bust your butt you won't get the one that TTT starts with anyway.

Exactly.  If WW was frustrating you by that point then might as well skip to TTT. 
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2006, 02:54:52 PM »

I don't regret ditching WW to play TTT.
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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2006, 03:02:12 PM »

For the record, you can find the "true" ending to WW on YouTube thereby saving yourself hours of frustration.
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2006, 05:13:22 AM »

The final boss sucks. I hate it. It's crappy combat leading to crappy platforming that I never seem to have enough time to figure out. Then a plasma-blob-of-sand-shit-nonsense is fired at me at some awkward point in the mid-air sequence and I can't reverse time to get away from it. Fuck it.

Speed platforming is fine as long as the path is obvious. I don't mind the presure. But here, I can't tell what the hell is in front of me to save my life, and I don't have the time to properly assess my surroundings or else I get shit-kicked. It's bullshit, and either lazy or clueless game design. And considering that the section just before it was a great stretch of platforming, it just seems like an even bigger slap in the face.

I'll finish the game some time in the future, but for now, I'm totally turned off. And so close to being done too. What a joke.
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2006, 06:20:30 AM »

So, um, I, uh, I decided to give the game one last try, and I pushed through it. Still think it's a sloppy way to end, but I did dig the final spinning camera move as you attack.

Plus, the final "sand world" was trippy as shit. And yes, the ending cinematic was a cool way to end ... but I had to laugh, because it also reminded me of just how good the first game was, and that I wasn't playing it.


The Two Thrones is a better game that Warrior Within, but still not the enthralling experience of Sands of Time.
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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2006, 09:36:39 AM »

<giggle> had to finish it, eh!

Can you explain to me the final boss? I cannot for the life of me remember what it was....oh wait: was it

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where the pieces of the pillars are in the air and you have to jump and climb them to the guy and then jump over and stab him...yeah I think that's it.

I actually didn't find that battle too bad and thought it fit in rather fine.  I was actually let down by the ending though...
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2006, 10:37:51 AM »

I thought the final boss battle was pretty cool...I had some problems with it, but I felt like it was epic enough.

It wasn't God of War or Shadow of the Colossus epic, but epic enough biggrin
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2006, 03:51:11 PM »

ATB, the kinda final boss was ...

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... the strange, golden bird-like monstrosity that the Visier had become.

The combat itself wasn't particularily hard, and wasn't the issue for me (though on my very first run through the game glitched on me, and one of the statues that he fires at you got stuck spinning around the Prince, which meant I couldn't attack him, he couldn't attack me, and I thought it was part of the game for a few minutes until I got sick of it and reset).

What sucked was the floating platforming after the combat that I had trouble making sense of under the time constraint. I'd be hit by the Visier's, and I definitely want to say it again, "plasma-blob-of-sand-shit-nonsense " at an awkward point in the platforming, and I'd be unable to recover by rewinding time. I was basically fucked. And it happened a few times, which means I had to do the boring combat portion all over again. The platforming wasn't difficult either, just not intuative. To me.

So this is why the final platforming element of the true end boss fight rubbed me the wrong way. At least the last attack looked stylish as hell. And the cool-down epilogue against the Dark Prince let me enjoy the game just a little more before it was truly over, which I was thankful for.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2006, 03:55:21 PM »

Ahh yes. Teh sand blobs that knock you down and kill you. That was frustrating.  Still, as I said before, I thought it was an appropriate last boss.  But tomato tomato.
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