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« on: November 06, 2014, 11:07:10 PM »

So Ubisoft has pulled their upcoming holiday releases (Assassin's Creed: Unity, Far Cry 4 and The Crew) off Steam today.   This was already being discussed a bit in the AC: Unity thread, but I figured some people may not go there if they don't care about Assassin's Creed, and this is a larger topic.

Since they did this without notice or comment, most people are assuming it is to drive everybody to their Uplay store.  Or perhaps as leverage to get a better percent from Valve (which will likely not happen).
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 11:16:17 PM »

Thought that was only in the UK they were pulled from Steam? Only AC was pulled here in the States?

I am already hesitant to buy games where I have to use yet another service when Steam already gives me what i need. I will still buy a really good game if it's not on Steam, but if I have to use stuff like Ubisofts platform, it will have to be a damn good game. Far Cry 4 is not an instabuy for me, if it's not on Steam, and the reviews aren't amazing, I probably won't get it. If it's on Steam I am more likely to get it, especially if there is a sale.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 11:18:44 PM »

Quote from: Lee on November 06, 2014, 11:16:17 PM

Thought that was only in the UK they were pulled from Steam? Only AC was pulled here in the States?

Well, you can go on Steam right now and see the Far Cry 4 and The Crew are not available currently.  At least they haven't shown up for me today and Far Cry 4 was definitely there yesterday.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2014, 11:24:51 PM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on November 06, 2014, 11:18:44 PM

Quote from: Lee on November 06, 2014, 11:16:17 PM

Thought that was only in the UK they were pulled from Steam? Only AC was pulled here in the States?

Well, you can go on Steam right now and see the Far Cry 4 and The Crew are not available currently.  At least they haven't shown up for me today and Far Cry 4 was definitely there yesterday.

Yeah, just looked, it's gone. Oh well, like I said I will still buy it if it's an amazing game. For me this is a lot like EA pulling out of Steam, make a good game and I will still use your service, but less and less they are making games I care about. Activision would concern me though.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2014, 11:37:15 PM »

I haven't read anything from UbiSoft or Steam that explains why this was done so it's all just speculation right now of what's going on. I have read comments from those that have pre-purchased the games that they still have them in their steam library. So I would imagine those that already pre-purchased it would still have it on Steam come launch.

But the thing that did get me to watch the Unity 101 trailer the other day was a Steam banner that said today was "the last chance to pre-purchase" it. I kinda took this as meaning its close to coming out so you only have a few days to pre-purchase before release. But I guess it really meant that yesterday was your last chance.  icon_biggrin

I'd still buy it on uPlay if I really wanted it. I already have a few games on there and only launch it when I run those games. Same with Origin. Would rather have all this stuff in one location but oh well.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2014, 11:43:32 PM »

I don't see the big deal.  The last few years when you play a ubisoft game via steam, it would just take you to Uplay, and then you'd have to click on play once more to get it to run.  Now it's one less step.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2014, 11:51:33 PM »

Given uplay's prior history of issues with steam integration, I'm not chalking this up to a great loss, at least personally.  It is a blow to Steam's sales clout though as that had to be a big driver of sales.

My history of ubi games on/off Steam
Far Cry 3 - uplay only, played flawlessly.  Forums had lots of reports of people with issues getting steam version to work.
Far Cry Blood Dragon - Steam, would not run.  Crashes on launch and I could never get it working.  Forums had lots of reports of people with this issue.
Gunfighter - Steam, no issues whatsoever
Anno 2070 - uplay, no issues
SC Blacklist - uplay version.  Also would not run.  Crashes on launch like FC BD does.  Also lots of posts of similar problems in both uplay and steam versions.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2014, 11:57:55 PM »

Quote from: naednek on November 06, 2014, 11:43:32 PM

I don't see the big deal.  The last few years when you play a ubisoft game via steam, it would just take you to Uplay, and then you'd have to click on play once more to get it to run.  Now it's one less step.

Which was annoying and stupid. It's not even like their service is good, unlike Steam and BattleNet which are both quite well done.  Honestly I would rather they just use Ubiplay than to make me use the two on top of each other, especially when they don't support the handy/neat stuff like patches and achievements that Steam offers. But I do like keeping my my info/credit cards in as few services as possible, and if I have to sign up for yet another service to buy/play your game, I am less likely to buy/play it.

So while I think Ubisoft is stupid for going this route, I don't care enough to get mad, I just probably won't buy their games. What does concern me, is this setting a trend which will hurt PC gaming in the long run. This hurts their sales so they just won't make PC games. Still, the reason to be a PC gamer is for the variety of games available, losing publishers like EA and Ubisoft won't hurt that (unless 3rd person shooter sequels are important).
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 12:02:43 AM »

I never minded having to have the Uplay app run when I fired up a game via Steam, it was pretty straightforward and I've never experienced a technical issue. However, not selling on Steam is pretty stupid, at least to me. Since they will no doubt be patching their games a bit I think I might pass on the new releases for awhile and let Ubisoft stew in their own juices.

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2014, 02:37:33 AM »

The problem is that one of the main reasons the PC has grown so huge in the last few years is because the market has largely settled under the single roof of Steam.  They provide a great, reliable service and have consistently driven consumer friendly prices with sales that also benefit developers.

Sure, some people still buy certain games in retail or from GOG or Desura, but by and large it seems like most "casual hardcore" players only check Steam these days, especially for major releases.

If you split the market up again into all of these disparate services with different logins and different support for patches and online failures and everything else then things are taking a huge step backwards from a usability and consumer friendliness standpoint.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2014, 03:02:24 AM »

I mean, if they're that insistent on making it harder for me to spend my money, I just won't. There's more than enough good games I have yet to put hours into - I'm not about to go hunting around for theirs.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2014, 03:21:25 AM »

Quote from: naednek on November 06, 2014, 11:43:32 PM

I don't see the big deal.  The last few years when you play a ubisoft game via steam, it would just take you to Uplay, and then you'd have to click on play once more to get it to run.  Now it's one less step.


I recently bought Wolfenstein: The New Order on Steam.  It has about a 40-gig install footprint, so I downloaded it in advance and archived it to an external hard drive.  Now I can reinstall it in a matter of minutes whenever I'm ready to play.

That still isn't an option with uPlay.  You can sometimes fake it by copying the game files out of the installation directory, but some games can't be restored that way.  Redownloading a 50-gig game like AC: Unity is a long and irritating hurdle, especially when services like Steam and Origin have solved the problem.

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 04:31:10 AM »

I wonder if Unity will take a longer time to have a decent sale now.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2014, 05:34:21 AM »

As I pointed out in the other thread, there are far more backsides to this than your extremely simplified description indicates:

- You have to run uPlay constantly for automatic patching to work. This affects your PCs performance.
- You can forget about seeing Ubisoft games as part of the Steam sales from now on. Were you hoping to see Assassin's Creed Unity or Far Cry 4 for 15-20% off this holiday? Forget about it. Now that Ubisoft only competes with themselves on their own platform, they won't bother. Sales come when it suits them.
- You will no longer be able to use Steamworks or Steam Cloud with their games. Unless Ubisoft implements their own system for it, that means no more synced savegames.
- You won't be able to rely on the Steam overlay to communicate with your friends on Steam, or use the myriad of useful features available in it. I'm sure your uPlay friends list (is there even such a thing?) is fully updated, right?
- You're going to have to give Ubisoft your credit card number and personal information in order to buy from them. They will sell this to their business partners (though not the credit card info, obviously).
- You can forget about keeping all your games in one place. Linked up your Ubisoft games to your Steam library? Have fun rebuilding all those links every time you reinstall Steam, your OS, or change computers.

It's not going to stop here. EA started this with Origin, and do you know why Ubisoft is following up with uPlay? It's because so many people shrugged and thought: "well, I guess I can live with Origin". As a result, Origin has become a success for EA, and Ubisoft isn't blind to this.

In short, that Ubisoft is pulling out of Steam is the fault of the consumers. If people were a little less naive and a little more shrewd, EA would have suffered a setback from pulling out of Steam, and Ubisoft would have seen this too. As it is right now, I'll be surprised if anyone will be able to buy next year's Call of Duty digitally outside of the Battle.net store (or a similar storefront). It'll all be fun and consumer-friendly when we have to go to different stores for each game we want to play, with half a dozen different publishers' own solutions installed on our computers.

If you want to send a message to Ubisoft and EA about this and actually make a difference, there are two things you should do in my opinion. First of all, don't buy games from uPlay or Origin that can't be bought from Steam. If you must play these games, buy them on console. If the number of PC customers dropped significantly after this move, Ubisoft would pay attention. That's not what happened with Origin. Second, you need to voice your opinion in a way that Ubisoft cares about, not necessarily in that they'll notice you directly, but they'll notice a sufficient number of people doing this. This very post is an example of what you can do. Inform other customers of their options and the negative aspects of this move, and help them make an informed decision. Complain on Twitter or other public forums where your voice is heard. Once this kind of outcry reaches a sufficient level, the media starts talking about it. That's when things start to get uncomfortable for the company in question.

So for anyone here who feels even mildly upset about Ubisoft's (and EA's) little stunt, it's your responsibility to help change things back in a consumer-friendly direction. Don't just give in and expect others to do the job for you. It's ironic that I, someone from a somewhat socialistic country, have to point this out, but vote with your money! With your voice too, but your money is what these companies want first and foremost, either by selling you games or by selling you as a product to business partners. Deny them this opportunity!
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2014, 06:10:49 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2014, 05:34:21 AM

First of all, don't buy games from uPlay or Origin that can't be bought from Steam. If you must play these games, buy them on console.

I have to correct myself here. I keep forgetting about retail, since I've been buying games digitally only for years now. You can of course purchase Ubisoft games that aren't available on Steam through regular retail channels instead of going through the uPlay store. This is probably a more practical and realistic alternative for many of you. If you buy their games retail, Ubisoft earns less money from your purchase than if you had bought that same game through Steam, which is a good message to send. Even better, you can buy their games used in this way, which earns them no money at all.

So yeah, if you want Assassin's Creed Unity, Far Cry 4 or The Crew in the coming months, either buy retail or buy for console. Either way is fine if you're not willing to go to the more extreme option of not buying the game at all.
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2014, 03:53:31 PM »

It’s optimistic to assume that Ubisoft would pay attention in a “good” way.  It’s more likely that they would come to the conclusion that PC is just not a viable market for their games and spend even less money developing for it than they already do.  Ubisoft has a history of inventing problems to prove what they already believe to be true.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2014, 04:31:41 PM »

What really gets me mad at Ubisoft is the timing. If six months ago they had announced this, I would have respected it as a business decision and thought about the options. But announcing it this close to release is like a group of kids showing up at the ballfield and the umpire says he needs more money or they won't have a ball to play with. OK, something like that...

Anyway, if Ubisoft doesn't change their minds, on release day I'll be on Amazon and Metacritic posting bad reviews. I won't lie, but hopefully my one star rating combined with a bunch of other folks will have some effect.

You know, after the past couple of years, Ubisoft to me are just a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2014, 04:34:49 PM »

The sad thing is that out of the three big publishers (Activision, EA and Ubisoft), Ubisoft is the most willing to innovate and try new game concepts that the other two wouldn't touch under any circumstance. Ubisoft has done a lot of good for AAA gaming over the years, which makes all of this hurt more.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2014, 05:40:24 PM »

And they are back in the US store.
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2014, 05:42:00 PM »

Quote from: jztemple2 on November 07, 2014, 04:31:41 PM

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Anyway, if Ubisoft doesn't change their minds, on release day I'll be on Amazon and Metacritic posting bad reviews. I won't lie, but hopefully my one star rating combined with a bunch of other folks will have some effect.


See that's stupid, you're not punishing the publisher, you're hurting the developers who are not part of this decision.  You're not basing your thoughts on the game, you're mad at the business decision, and misplacing the blame.

It's fine to be upset, but there has to be a better way to communicate your thoughts than dogging a game that has nothing to do with what their publisher is doing.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2014, 05:42:20 PM »

Back here too. I sure hope Ubisoft/Valve releases some kind of statement about just what the hell happened. I want nothing more than to have been wrong in my criticism of Ubisoft during this last day, but right now I have no idea what to think.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2014, 05:45:48 PM »

Quote from: naednek on November 07, 2014, 05:42:00 PM

See that's stupid, you're not punishing the publisher, you're hurting the developers who are not part of this decision.

That's not strictly true in this case. The Assassins Creed developers are, for all practical purposes, Ubisoft themselves, and they have already been paid. There may be bonuses involved, but considering how little developers and publishers talk about this aspect of the business, we have little way of knowing.

Due to the way the publisher/developer relationship works in this industry, developers get paid before the game's release in order to produce the game, and then are paid little or nothing afterwards. That's why so many developers close suddenly, even right after releasing a successful game.

While I can't necessarily say I agree with jztemple2's method (I think it muddles the issue and makes the situation between customer and publisher too confrontational and dishonest), it hurts the publisher way, way, way more than it hurts the developer.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2014, 05:55:12 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2014, 05:45:48 PM

While I can't necessarily say I agree with jztemple2's method (I think it muddles the issue and makes the situation between customer and publisher too confrontational and dishonest), it hurts the publisher way, way, way more than it hurts the developer.

That's my point; as a lone consumer my options are rather limited. While I would feel bad for the developers, it would send the message to Ubisoft. As I said, I won't lie in the reviews, I won't pretend that the game itself is bad or even that I've bought it, I am just using the available channels to state the situation.

I agree that it's not the best approach, but Ubisoft's decision to pull out of Steam at this late date makes me feel that just posting on Facebook and Twitter isn't going to be enough.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2014, 05:57:26 PM »

Quote from: Lee on November 07, 2014, 05:40:24 PM

And they are back in the US store.

See, I told you it would work  icon_wink
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2014, 06:03:18 PM »

Quote from: naednek on November 07, 2014, 05:42:00 PM

Quote from: jztemple2 on November 07, 2014, 04:31:41 PM

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Anyway, if Ubisoft doesn't change their minds, on release day I'll be on Amazon and Metacritic posting bad reviews. I won't lie, but hopefully my one star rating combined with a bunch of other folks will have some effect.


See that's stupid, you're not punishing the publisher, you're hurting the developers who are not part of this decision.  You're not basing your thoughts on the game, you're mad at the business decision, and misplacing the blame.

It's fine to be upset, but there has to be a better way to communicate your thoughts than dogging a game that has nothing to do with what their publisher is doing.

Meh, these are not games made by small indie developers, these console games are big studios with millions of dollars behind them. As TiLT pointed out, the line is blurred between developer and publisher in these cases.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2014, 07:00:13 PM »

so, a lot of 'nothing to see here, move along now'?
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2014, 07:11:54 PM »

Quote from: Caine on November 07, 2014, 07:00:13 PM

so, a lot of 'nothing to see here, move along now'?

There may be a lot to see here, regardless of the outcome. That's why the two companies should come out with some kind of statement. The silence is damning. If this was the result of negotiations that went sour, the public needs to know as soon as they become affected, as happened in this case.
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2014, 09:38:32 PM »

Probably works out good in the end for Steam. I'm actually a little more inclined to purchase it right now on Steam in case is makes another vanishing act.
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2014, 11:21:38 PM »

I agree with Tilt. One of the best features of Steam is all of my games under one roof. I don't like the idea of multiple clients, hyperlinks,  and storefronts if an increasing number of publishers decide to create their own version of Steam.

imagine if the music industry took this direction. I'd need to fragment my library across multiple record labels' various software, as each put up their own walled garden. Stream Sony artists only from the Sony store, Universal artists from the universal store, etc.
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2014, 02:16:02 AM »

On the other hand, if you don't mind not getting the game through Steam, there is a VIP sale at Green Man Gaming where you can pick up ACU and FC4 for 20% off.
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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2014, 04:31:10 AM »

Quote from: jztemple2 on November 08, 2014, 02:16:02 AM

On the other hand, if you don't mind not getting the game through Steam, there is a VIP sale at Green Man Gaming where you can pick up ACU and FC4 for 20% off.

Ooh, I thought I had already prepurchased there, but now I remember that their coupon codes never worked for Far Cry 4.
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