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« on: October 05, 2004, 01:37:33 PM »

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http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/6918/Play-Halo-on-Xbox-with-a-Keyboard-Mouse

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Lik Sang took the videogame community by storm this weekend by announcing a new entry in its product catalog: The SmartJoy FRAG, an adapter that allows Xbox and PlayStation 2 owners to connect a mouse and a keyboard to the console and replace the standard controller with the well known PC combo that has been the envy of many console gamers for years.

The SmartJoy FRAG is fully programmable and comes with pre-installed key configurations for the most popular first person shooters, including Halo, The Chronicles of Riddick, Counter Strike, Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six 3, Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Unreal Championship.

Programming the adapter can be as simple as loading a built-in preset (for instance hitting F3 loads a preset for The Chronicles of Riddick).
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Is this new option going to ruin multiplayer matches? If two players with the same skills compete, one with a controller, the other with the keyboard & mouse combo, is it a fair match? Make your voice heard in this special thread we have started in the forums.

In the following movie you can see the SmartJoy FRAG being tested in Halo.


This really could ruin multiplayer games.  I know I'm a lot better with a KB and mouse than I am with the controller.  Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2004, 01:37:54 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2004, 04:06:44 PM »

Well I was hoping that there would still be the slow turning, but from that vid it looks like it turns fast. My guess is that Halo2 will be ruled by these online. Bummer, I like my console being a console. If I wanted to spend any more time at a keyboard/mouse I would have one installed in my car. Two thumbs down from me... on principle only, the tech is cool.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2004, 09:07:25 PM »

I don't know how this will ruin online games.  I'm awesome with a console Xbox controller but I am better with a keyboard mouse.  If I want to play better I will get a keyboard mouse.  If someone wants to play better they can too!   :wink:

What if someone has a controllerS and I have a big one?  Do they ruin it for me by having a better controller?  I guess I should get a controllerS then.

I am also PC game great player and there are 1000s of things you can do to get better.  PC games are not ruined by that.  Just do it to get better.  A better mouse, tweaking settings, and lot sof things.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2004, 09:59:01 PM »

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What if someone has a controllerS and I have a big one?  Do they ruin it for me by having a better controller?  I guess I should get a controllerS then.


Well I think the original controller is much better than the S version.  smile

I didn't say it wasn't fair or anything like that, I just said that I like my console as a console. If I have to use a keyboard and mouse to compete online (I'm sure there will be plenty of 'Controllers Only' servers, assuming this think works) I won't like it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2004, 10:58:42 PM »

Who the hell cares?  I play FPS online (well, UT2K4, anyway) and there are a TON of players better than me.  I still manage to have a good time despite that.  Like mentioned above, there are people with better mouse setups, people with cutdown keyboards made for gaming, special peripherals like the Nostromo SpeedPad, etc.  How many people are actually going to buy this setup anyway?
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2004, 05:33:01 AM »

I'd think enough people will buy it to make online play pretty badly unblanced. I know if I'm sitting on my couch and playing Halo, I want to be playing with a controller. I also know that I damn well want a balanced and fair multiplayer experience. If people with these things start ruling Live games, I may drop my Live subscription. So far the only non-fps game I've played on Live is Burnout 3. All 5(!) other games I play on Live are FPS games.

I'm not knocking the product. It's a great idea really, but only if you want to take console games more seriously. I tend to use my Xbox for more relaxed moments of gaming.

Like I said, if lots of people get this and start owning the Live FPS games with it, then I think I'll just let my subscription crap out and stick to Xbox lan parties for my Halo goodness.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2004, 02:59:36 PM »

Well, I'll be the black sheep of this forum...
I'm happy they did come out with this, I'd like to try out the accuracy of the mouse. That being said, I'm not crazy about keyboards. WSAD is VERY limited as they are only 4 binary switches. (on/off) Weak.

I want a mouse / gameclaw or something to that effect.

I'm sure I'll end up just using controllers, and I don't buy into the "fair" idea; we're still playing the same game; it's not like I'll be able to shoot through walls or anything. I suppose MS could also try to find a signature to the device and disable it during Live online games, but that seems to be wildly unreasonable.

You did notice the mouse and kybd connections are PS2 ports, which means the polling is likely more restricted than the optical mice people use today.

Either way; for me it's a $40 experiment. I hope it pans out, I'm not 100% sure it will.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2004, 12:03:33 AM »

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You did notice the mouse and kybd connections are PS2 ports, which means the polling is likely more restricted than the optical mice people use today.


AFAIK most mice/keyboards still ship with PS/2 adaptors.  Even my brand new Logitech Elite Duo has them.  So I don't think that will be a problem at all.  The only issue with the PS/2 mouse adaptors are that all those extra buttons beyond left/right/middle/scroll are rendered useless.  Optical mice shouldn't be a problem at all.  There are still people that swear the polling rate of PS/2 mice is better and thus more accurate than USB mice.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2004, 02:32:55 AM »

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AFAIK most mice/keyboards still ship with PS/2 adaptors.  Even my brand new Logitech Elite Duo has them.  

So I don't think that will be a problem at all.  The only issue with the PS/2 mouse adaptors are that all those extra buttons beyond left/right/middle/scroll are rendered useless.  Optical mice shouldn't be a problem at all.  There are still people that swear the polling rate of PS/2 mice is better and thus more accurate than USB mice.


actually, the extra buttons still work regardless of your connection. The maximum image read on the position of your mouse is 200 times per second (at least, that's what the mouse accelerators went up to; 80 was default) . A USB optical mouse reads at 1500+ times per second, and can be sent to the hardware. I doubt the PS2 port used is going to translate that to the Xbox. Who knows.

As far as the adapters are concerned, I'm well aware of them. I've got 4 intellimouse opticals (different versions of the explorer, both wired and wireless) so I have at least 4 of those ugly green adapters. I used to have to use one of them at work as the desktop standard was NT4WS which doesn't properly support USB.

See, the thing that made me buy it (got mine on preorder with Lik-Sang) is that I want to see how the configuration works. The Xbox buttons are limited, and I'm pretty sure the Xbox isn't going to play nice with a full keyboard. I'm thinking an Fkey is going to bring up an overlayed config window for us to choose which buttons do what. That also means it may allow addn'l buttons on the mouse, as long as the driver used on the adapter supports them.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2004, 06:59:19 AM »

Anybody actually give this thing a try yet? Are there any reviews up for it? I'm curious to hear if they pulled it off.
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