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« on: December 27, 2015, 05:42:30 PM »

Well, I'm only 5 years late but I've decided to go back and play Fallout: New Vegas.   icon_biggrin

Since Fallout 4 came out I played and enjoyed it quite a bit (despite some complaints), but that was my first time playing a "modern" Fallout game.  I've heard so many people say that New Vegas is the one that really took the mechanics of Fallout 3 and added a more fleshed out story, more depth to character interactions and good uses of those alternate perks/skills.  That really interested me since those all seemed to be missing a little bit of depth in Fallout 4.

And of course it's on sale in the Steam sale with all DLC for less than $7, so that doesn't hurt, heheh.

I decided to start this thread rather than necroing the old one since that was 4 pages of pre-release hype, 3 pages of complaints about bugs and 2 pages of CeeKay talking to himself about DLC and patches.   icon_wink

Anybody else interested in jumping back into the older Fallout games after playing 4 this year?
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2015, 08:59:20 PM »

I went through FO3 and all of its DLC but stopped part way through New Vegas. I wouldn't mind getting back to it after FO4.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2015, 09:24:00 PM »

I'm curious if you're planning to play with with Josh Sawyer's mod.  It apparently restores the more challenging survival-based focus the developers had originally envisioned for the "Hardcore" mode, where hunger, thirst, and fatigue were meant to be ongoing concerns.

I'm generally leery of mods until I've experienced the game as-intended, but a thorough rebalancing by the game's lead designer is more of an unofficial patch.  Sawyer did the same thing for Throne of Bhall after that game was released to restore a bunch of cut content and it was pretty great!  Tom Chick and Jason McMaster also spoke highly of the mod during one of their recent podcasts.

Normally a post like this would include a direct link to the mod I'm talking about, but since I can't personally vouch for a reliable download source, Googling "JSawyer mod" or "Josh Sawyer New Vegas mod" will give you plenty to work from.

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2015, 11:30:28 PM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on December 27, 2015, 09:24:00 PM

I'm curious if you're planning to play with with Josh Sawyer's mod.  It apparently restores the more challenging survival-based focus the developers had originally envisioned for the "Hardcore" mode, where hunger, thirst, and fatigue were meant to be ongoing concerns.

I'm generally leery of mods until I've experienced the game as-intended, but a thorough rebalancing by the game's lead designer is more of an unofficial patch.  Sawyer did the same thing for Throne of Bhall after that game was released to restore a bunch of cut content and it was pretty great!  Tom Chick and Jason McMaster also spoke highly of the mod during one of their recent podcasts.

Normally a post like this would include a direct link to the mod I'm talking about, but since I can't personally vouch for a reliable download source, Googling "JSawyer mod" or "Josh Sawyer New Vegas mod" will give you plenty to work from.

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Yeah, I had read about that mod while looking for mods to update some textures, but while it's interesting I decided that since it's my first time playing the game I'm going in mostly "natural". 

I did install the MTUI mod that allows bigger dialog choice menus and such, though, since that was annoying me from the start.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2015, 12:58:30 AM »

Unlike Fallout 4, New Vegas seems to really put you at odds with a couple factions from the start.  Of course I could side with the prisoners and the butchers, but they make them seem so cartoonishly pure evil that I'm not sure why I would. 

I was expecting a bit more subtlety and nuance making for tough decisions and deception, so hopefully there is some of that later.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2015, 02:58:38 PM »

Your choices definitely become harder and more nuanced. I think (?) I played on hardcore mode (survival mode?) where water was important and ammunition had weight, among other things. I think that really added to the game but certainly makes it more challenging.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2015, 04:12:49 PM »

Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on December 28, 2015, 02:58:38 PM

Your choices definitely become harder and more nuanced. I think (?) I played on hardcore mode (survival mode?) where water was important and ammunition had weight, among other things. I think that really added to the game but certainly makes it more challenging.

I am very much against encumbrance in these sorts of Bethesda open world games.  I found that once I cheated out encumbrance from Fallout 4 my enjoyment went up significantly, so that's definitely a no-go for me.

I was curious why the game keeps telling me that I take a sip from my trusty Vault 13 flask since I'm not in hardcore mode with thirst, and apparently it's a DLC item I got as part of the Ultimate pack. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2015, 04:29:21 PM »

I haven't played Fallout 4, but it seems that encumbrance may be a bigger deal in that game due to the scavenging/town building gameplay. Of course, you'll still want to pick up somethings along the way but it never was a huge deal to me in Fallout: NV (as much as I can remember at least). Plus, it really adds value to Strength and certain perks that increase your carrying weight.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2015, 10:41:48 PM »

Wait.  I can cheat out encumbrance in FO4?  Off to Google I go...Worst part of the game for sure.  Other games like Witcher and DA never bothered me but this one just seems so bad with it. 
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015, 12:29:58 AM »

Quote from: Travis on December 28, 2015, 10:41:48 PM

Wait.  I can cheat out encumbrance in FO4?  Off to Google I go...Worst part of the game for sure.  Other games like Witcher and DA never bothered me but this one just seems so bad with it. 

As long as you're on the PC you can.  Hit the tilde '~' key for the console and then type "player.forceav carryweight 10000".  Note that "forceav" will mean that no further checks or modifications will happen to that value if you change equipment, stats, etc. 

There are options for "modav" (add to current value) and "setav" (set current value), but both of those can be modified when recalculating for whatever reason.  I used those for a while, but had to keep putting them in every time I started up the game or got in/out of the power armor so I just went with the "forceav" eventually to get rid of it entirely.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2015, 04:40:47 PM »

Apparently I'm not the only one playing Fallout: New Vegas these days: beaten in 20 minutes, which is slightly faster than my time will likely be.   icon_wink
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015, 06:44:36 PM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on December 28, 2015, 12:58:30 AM

Unlike Fallout 4, New Vegas seems to really put you at odds with a couple factions from the start.  Of course I could side with the prisoners and the butchers, but they make them seem so cartoonishly pure evil that I'm not sure why I would. 

I was expecting a bit more subtlety and nuance making for tough decisions and deception, so hopefully there is some of that later.
Once you get to New Vegas itself the game becomes quite amazing.  I remember some people were a little turned off by how grey the morality is in some places but I loved it; very in spirit to the original Fallouts.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2015, 10:38:11 PM »

The reputation system was interesting in that it also tracked how consistent you were. If you just did whatever you wanted, you got to be known as unpredictable.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2015, 04:59:40 PM »

Quote from: Travis on December 28, 2015, 10:41:48 PM

Wait.  I can cheat out encumbrance in FO4?  Off to Google I go...Worst part of the game for sure.  Other games like Witcher and DA never bothered me but this one just seems so bad with it. 

Playing on XB1 so I had to take the Strong Back perk, but being able to move while encumbered and being able to fast travel while encumbered has made it a much less restrictive thing. I generally clear a zone, and then strip it bare on my way back to the entrance, make it outside, fast travel right to my main workshop, and unload.  Its much better.  also helps to place a fast travel mat right in front of your workshop/crafting tables.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2015, 06:52:13 PM »

Quote from: Lordnine on December 29, 2015, 06:44:36 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on December 28, 2015, 12:58:30 AM

Unlike Fallout 4, New Vegas seems to really put you at odds with a couple factions from the start.  Of course I could side with the prisoners and the butchers, but they make them seem so cartoonishly pure evil that I'm not sure why I would. 

I was expecting a bit more subtlety and nuance making for tough decisions and deception, so hopefully there is some of that later.
Once you get to New Vegas itself the game becomes quite amazing.  I remember some people were a little turned off by how grey the morality is in some places but I loved it; very in spirit to the original Fallouts.

I'm still not to New Vegas proper.  I've spent a whole lot of time in other areas following leads and not feeling like I'm ever quite in the "right" area.

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The reputation system was interesting in that it also tracked how consistent you were. If you just did whatever you wanted, you got to be known as unpredictable.
You mean the Karma system?  So far that is probably my least favorite system in this game.  So many times it just doesn't make sense.  Why the hell would I lose karma for taking some soda when I didn't from killing the 20 guys that owned that soda?

One thing I'll say is that this game almost feels even more aimless than most Bethesda games.  They are also really bad about making "dungeons" (whether it's a sewer, cave, building or tower) that you have to traverse backwards to get out, whereas Bethesda is usually really good about putting a quick exit at the end point.  I don't want to have to traverse 3 levels of a building a two loading screens just to leave this dumb place, thank you very much.

Overall, I'm having fun but I'm less than impressed with this game.  I've had very few interesting choices to make, none of the quests are all that interesting, and I still end up shooting my way into or out of things 95% of the time.  Maybe I'm still not to the "good" part since I'm not in Vegas yet?
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2015, 11:22:02 PM »

I've been playing it as well, albeit with a host of graphic mods.  I picked up a game I started a couple years ago.  So far I've managed to finish Dead Money and now I'm back in New Vegas.  Here's a few shots of how it looks:





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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2016, 03:06:57 AM »

I have FO:NV but have never played it.  Do any of the mods up the graphics?  If so, where do I get them for a steam install?
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2016, 05:28:19 PM »

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Overall, I'm having fun but I'm less than impressed with this game.  I've had very few interesting choices to make, none of the quests are all that interesting, and I still end up shooting my way into or out of things 95% of the time.  Maybe I'm still not to the "good" part since I'm not in Vegas yet?
It sounds like you’ve been mostly doing “filler” quests.  Get to New Vegas and the main story opens up a lot.  You will find out what you are supposed to be doing and learn a lot more about the factions that are controlling things.
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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2016, 08:05:04 PM »

I'm so tempted to pick this up for the PC (the Ultimate Edition), having played it on the Xbox360. Any issues running it in Win7 64bit that anyone has reported?
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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2016, 09:41:25 PM »

Quote from: jztemple2 on January 01, 2016, 08:05:04 PM

I'm so tempted to pick this up for the PC (the Ultimate Edition), having played it on the Xbox360. Any issues running it in Win7 64bit that anyone has reported?

I'm playing on Windows 10 64-bit with no big troubles.  I have had a couple crashes, and some times when I've had saves that won't load, but I think those are probably more related to the game itself and me alt+tabbing quite a bit. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2016, 06:40:45 PM »

I've had this since about two sales ago on Steam (or even longer if I really thought about it) and I've never played it. I didn't get in to FallOut 3 that much as something about it just never clicked with me. But I've heard this one is much better and more story based, so I may finally give it a whirl this year as well.
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2016, 07:03:35 PM »

I picked this up yesterday and have a couple of hours in it. I've added a few mods (graphics, easy hacking) and started having crashes, but then remembered I was supposed to be using the 4GB mod to avoid them. Now the game seems to be happier.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2016, 03:44:21 PM »

I did finally make it to New Vegas over the weekend and there have definitely been more missions and dialogs that can be finished using alternate stats like Speech, Barter, Medicine, Science, etc. 

I think I may have been doing enough side quests to sort of over level myself for what they expected, but I guess for once I'm thankful that doesn't mean I've ruined anything since most things auto level up.

For anyone that is doing or has done the expansions, should those be done only after the main quests?  I know they each have their suggested minimum levels, but I'm beyond that now and was wondering if I could go do those any time, or if I'd get more out of it if I stick to the core game first.
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2016, 05:09:36 PM »

There is a link (That you figure out) to one of the companions backstories, but other than that no it's doesn't matter in what order or when you do them.
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2016, 05:01:10 PM »

I think I must be nearing the end of the base story/missions at this point.  I've taken down House and the conflicts on the Strip.  I've blown up the Steel Brotherhood, gotten the Great Khans to move out and got the Boomers on my side.  It seems like may still be some areas I've still barely explored but haven't had missions to go there yet.

Coming from Fallout 4 my impression was that the Followers of the Apocalypse were a bunch of crazy people, but in New Vegas they seem to be the most sane.  Here they are basically Doctors Without Borders in the post apocalypse.  I wish they had more missions so I could truly side with them instead of the NCR that is supposedly still oppressing people with taxes and taking land.  So it goes. 

I also haven't really found any true romance options, which is a bit of a bummer.  I've got max Charisma, Int, Speech and the Lady Killer perk and yet I can't get any ladies to fall in love with me.  Or even any interesting options for talking to them.  This is far too true to life.  slywink

I haven't done any of the side missions yet, so there should still be several hours of other fun after the main story ends.  If I'm not burned out by then.
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2016, 08:10:14 PM »

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I haven't done any of the side missions yet, so there should still be several hours of other fun after the main story ends.  If I'm not burned out by then.
Two quests you need to check out are the White Glove Society and the Repconn Test Site.  White Glove is probably one of the best questlines in the game with about 5 different ways you can handle the “situation”. 

Repconn just made me happy.
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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2016, 09:43:03 PM »

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I haven't done any of the side missions yet, so there should still be several hours of other fun after the main story ends.  If I'm not burned out by then.
Two quests you need to check out are the White Glove Society and the Repconn Test Site.  White Glove is probably one of the best questlines in the game with about 5 different ways you can handle the “situation”. 

Repconn just made me happy.

Oh, I didn't mean actual side missions, I meant the DLC add-on missions.  My bad. 

There are some good side missions, though I felt like I finished that White Glove Society mission before I had all the information which made it a bit disjointed in my playthrough. 

It also feels like sometimes they make these side areas just a bit too big and maze-like for my enjoyment.  Places like the casinos, the Hoover Dam and others took me several times to figure out how to actually traverse them and find the areas that matter.  Yes, some people really like having buildings, hallways and doors that open up to 40 unused rooms, but I would prefer to not get lost just trying to find the one person or thing that matters.
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2016, 01:41:03 AM »

So what are the mods I need to have on this? I saw something about a 4GB mod - is that critical? Also, are there preferred graphic/follower/loot upgrades/updates you guys would recommend? I'm not looking for a full on conversion mod or anything of the sort, but if there are a few that fix obvious issues then I'd be interested to hear what they are.
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2016, 01:55:54 AM »

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So what are the mods I need to have on this? I saw something about a 4GB mod - is that critical? Also, are there preferred graphic/follower/loot upgrades/updates you guys would recommend? I'm not looking for a full on conversion mod or anything of the sort, but if there are a few that fix obvious issues then I'd be interested to hear what they are.

The 4GB mod is needed to support the large graphics mods so FONV doesn't crash all the time. These are the mods I'm currently running via the Nexus Mod Manager:



The 4GB mod doesn't show up in the NMM since it provides an executable. The Texture Pack tells you where to get it in the description page.
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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2016, 05:17:05 PM »

I run things pretty similar to JZ without the gameplay tweaks, but the one I'd definitely suggest on top of the texture packs would be MTUI, which makes the UI use more screen real estate which especially helps with dialog choices and such.



Oh, it's also worth noting that when downloading the NMC texture packs, you have to click on the Files to see the list of all the files and then download each pack.  This may seem like a no-brainer to somebody who uses NMC more often, but originally I just clicked on the "Download via NMM" link up top and it only installed the 3 or 3 file.  :/
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