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« Reply #1960 on: September 20, 2013, 06:42:27 PM »

Quote from: Caine on September 20, 2013, 04:35:39 PM

It's the only way they can be arranged on my entertainment center. 

Turn your entertainment center sideways!

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« Reply #1961 on: September 20, 2013, 10:41:52 PM »

On its own it is a non story. Coupled with MS past incompetence, it at least warrants a face palm. 20% of close to 80 million users is still a lot of people. My system won't be vertical but I like the idea of having the option. What I don't get is that the 360 was constantly displayed vertically in advertising  and what not. So this seems like a real step backwards. I feel for the people who don't have room to have theirs horizontal.
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« Reply #1962 on: September 20, 2013, 11:09:55 PM »

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« Reply #1963 on: September 21, 2013, 03:11:16 AM »

I don't see it as a big deal. New console, new rules. You can count the number of consoles that ever condoned vertical orientation on one hand.

If you can afford a $500 Xbox One, you can afford a freaking table or TV stand or something to put the thing on.
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« Reply #1964 on: September 21, 2013, 04:03:54 AM »

Perhaps but that includes 100% of last generation, 66% of the new generation and at least 33% of two generations ago (can a cube be vertical?)
Not many cars have direct input for iPhones but can you dismiss something simply because out of the hundred year history of cars you can count the years on one hand that cars have had iphone interfacing?
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« Reply #1965 on: September 21, 2013, 04:35:27 AM »



Are we seriously seeing such pro-PS4 fanboism here that you Sony fanbois are gleefully hopping up and down on your collective Japanese beds in your whitey tighties hitting each other with feather pillows because the Xbone can't stand up vertical?


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« Reply #1966 on: September 21, 2013, 04:37:36 AM »

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Not many cars have direct input for iPhones but can you dismiss something simply because out of the hundred year history of cars you can count the years on one hand that cars have had iphone interfacing?

Evidently you can if only 20% of your customers have iPhones.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #1967 on: September 21, 2013, 04:38:08 AM »

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Are we seriously seeing such pro-PS4 fanboism here that you Sony fanbois are gleefully hopping up and down on your collective Japanese beds in your whitey tighties hitting each other with feather pillows because the Xbone can't stand up vertical?

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« Reply #1968 on: September 21, 2013, 04:40:28 AM »

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I don't see it as a big deal. New console, new rules. You can count the number of consoles that ever condoned vertical orientation on one hand.

If you can afford a $500 Xbox One, you can afford a freaking table or TV stand or something to put the thing on.

I plan on placing mine on an altar I built from the 500 people I sacrificed to steal $1 each from in order to buy the system.  I don't care if one of them had $500 on them, I burned the extra $499 as incense!
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« Reply #1969 on: September 21, 2013, 05:40:27 AM »

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Are we seriously seeing such pro-PS4 fanboism here that you Sony fanbois are gleefully hopping up and down on your collective Japanese beds in your whitey tighties hitting each other with feather pillows because the Xbone can't stand up vertical?

Are you so bent out of shape that you can't have a little fun over it?
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« Reply #1970 on: September 21, 2013, 05:46:57 AM »

Pfft,looks fine here icon_wink
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« Reply #1971 on: September 21, 2013, 05:53:40 AM »

Yep!
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« Reply #1972 on: September 21, 2013, 01:10:43 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on September 21, 2013, 04:03:54 AM

Perhaps but that includes 100% of last generation, 66% of the new generation and at least 33% of two generations ago (can a cube be vertical?)
Not many cars have direct input for iPhones but can you dismiss something simply because out of the hundred year history of cars you can count the years on one hand that cars have had iphone interfacing?

But now it's been established and is being taken away.  It's not like the iPhone in cars, it's like living in the South and being told your car doesn't need AC because the folks in the North don't use it as often. Or, really, it's like living in a place that doesn't have a great internet connection available and being told to move if you want the new console.

It's the attitude of "We've decided you don't need this" that really galls.  If this was the only moment for this launch that was like this, it might elicit a shoulder shrug from more people.  Not people like me who would need to put this in vertically, though.

Also, if you're a Microsoft supporter, it should make you mad, too, since it's another moment where they are willfully not being competitive.
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« Reply #1973 on: September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM »

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...

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« Reply #1974 on: September 21, 2013, 01:47:34 PM »

I do wonder how Kinect is going to work in your setup though Hark.
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« Reply #1975 on: September 21, 2013, 02:04:27 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...



this.

I'd rather they deal with proper heat dissipation in a predictable format then get bent out of shape over console orientation.
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« Reply #1976 on: September 21, 2013, 02:18:50 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...



By willfully not offering something that the competition is offering, they are not staying competitive. 
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« Reply #1977 on: September 21, 2013, 02:24:24 PM »

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Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...



By willfully not offering something that the competition is offering, they are not staying competitive. 

so if the ps4 came with a beer coozy, the xbox would not be competitive because it didn't also come with one?  I'm saying the feature isn't likely a bulletpoint of competitiveness for most people
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« Reply #1978 on: September 21, 2013, 02:24:53 PM »

Quote from: forgeforsaken on September 21, 2013, 01:47:34 PM

I do wonder how Kinect is going to work in your setup though Hark.

I use Kinect with my current 360, not sure what you mean.  It works fine.
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« Reply #1979 on: September 21, 2013, 02:28:21 PM »

So that means PS4 is not staying competitive because they don't have HDMI in and Kinect? Where does that kind of one-upmanship stop? Microsoft is not required to make significant engineering changes for a minority of their customers just because their competitor did it.
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« Reply #1980 on: September 21, 2013, 02:35:55 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on September 21, 2013, 02:28:21 PM

So that means PS4 is not staying competitive because they don't have HDMI in and Kinect? Where does that kind of one-upmanship stop? Microsoft is not required to make significant engineering changes for a minority of their customers just because their competitor did it.

If someone makes a buying decision on a console because one can stand up and the other can't, they have serious mental issues.

It appears that the same kiddies that jumped up and down spitting on Sony for the PS3 have sprinted like lemmings over to Microsoft this generation.    How did that turn out?   I'd argue that Microsoft became a vehicle for annual versions of COD, while Sony pumped out incredible exclusives like Uncharted, Last of US, the original Demons Souls, etc.
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« Reply #1981 on: September 21, 2013, 02:36:56 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 02:24:53 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on September 21, 2013, 01:47:34 PM

I do wonder how Kinect is going to work in your setup though Hark.

I use Kinect with my current 360, not sure what you mean.  It works fine.

I thought you had your 360 hooked up at your desk.
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« Reply #1982 on: September 21, 2013, 02:46:30 PM »


Bottom line is that a console is a product.   Companies are lucky to have a consumer decide to buy it.   They are not fair maidens whose honor you must defend.    When did gamers as a group start doing this?    What is the next step, hiring photogs to sneak photos of games and consoles under development?    Putting said photos on posters with hearts on them and hanging them up in bedrooms?
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« Reply #1983 on: September 21, 2013, 02:47:34 PM »

This thread is comedy gold!   Its honestly become so ridiculous that it should be moved to the politics and religion forum, where it would fit in much better.  Be advised though, that you'll only be able to move the thread horizontally.
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« Reply #1984 on: September 21, 2013, 02:48:28 PM »

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When did gamers as a group start doing this?    

Since consoles got introduced.
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« Reply #1985 on: September 21, 2013, 03:00:27 PM »

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Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...


this.

I'd rather they deal with proper heat dissipation in a predictable format then get bent out of shape over console orientation.


Vertical orientation is one of the ways in which a console can better deal with heat dissipation.  With less surface area pressed against a hard surface, there's greater air circulation around and through the console.

It's the same reason that cars have wheels.  Without the extra airflow running beneath the chassis as it traveled, the engine would be much more prone to overheating.

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« Reply #1986 on: September 21, 2013, 03:32:42 PM »

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Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 02:24:53 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on September 21, 2013, 01:47:34 PM

I do wonder how Kinect is going to work in your setup though Hark.

I use Kinect with my current 360, not sure what you mean.  It works fine.

I thought you had your 360 hooked up at your desk.

I do, and for head tracking it works where it is, and for full body stuff, I move my office chair and step back and play like that.
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« Reply #1987 on: September 21, 2013, 05:16:49 PM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 21, 2013, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 21, 2013, 02:04:27 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...


this.

I'd rather they deal with proper heat dissipation in a predictable format then get bent out of shape over console orientation.


Vertical orientation is one of the ways in which a console can better deal with heat dissipation.  With less surface area pressed against a hard surface, there's greater air circulation around and through the console.

It's the same reason that cars have wheels.  Without the extra airflow running beneath the chassis as it traveled, the engine would be much more prone to overheating.

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I thought cars had wheels so that they could move? Otherwise, they would just be big metal boxes...
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« Reply #1988 on: September 21, 2013, 05:51:32 PM »

Quote from: Punisher on September 21, 2013, 05:16:49 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 21, 2013, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 21, 2013, 02:04:27 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...


this.

I'd rather they deal with proper heat dissipation in a predictable format then get bent out of shape over console orientation.


Vertical orientation is one of the ways in which a console can better deal with heat dissipation.  With less surface area pressed against a hard surface, there's greater air circulation around and through the console.

It's the same reason that cars have wheels.  Without the extra airflow running beneath the chassis as it traveled, the engine would be much more prone to overheating.

-Autistic Angel
I thought cars had wheels so that they could move? Otherwise, they would just be big metal boxes...

Common misconception, just like the one about "car doors are there to help you get in and out" that keeps getting virally perpetuated.  Car doors can help with entry and exit, just like wheels can help with movement, but primarily car doors are installed to help slow the car's descent in the event of a free-fall.
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« Reply #1989 on: September 21, 2013, 05:57:21 PM »

damn MS, by not allowing gamers to play PS4 games on the XB1 they're not staying competitive!
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« Reply #1990 on: September 21, 2013, 09:46:30 PM »

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Quote from: Purge on September 21, 2013, 02:04:27 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...


this.

I'd rather they deal with proper heat dissipation in a predictable format then get bent out of shape over console orientation.


Vertical orientation is one of the ways in which a console can better deal with heat dissipation.  With less surface area pressed against a hard surface, there's greater air circulation around and through the console.

It's the same reason that cars have wheels.  Without the extra airflow running beneath the chassis as it traveled, the engine would be much more prone to overheating.

-Autistic Angel

We could get into the logistics of cooling paths and engineering a proper solution, but since neither of us knows how the innards are arranged it makes no sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this concept was scrapped either because

A) They really feel like it's not worth it because more gamers don't actually use it.
B) It costs more to produce and they're trying to keep the console costs down
C) It didn't work well in testing, so they're accepting no liability for vertical consoles.
D) They hate "verties" and wished they'd just move on to use PS4, just like everyone who loves babies, flowers, and wholesome things.

Which one(s)? Doesn't matter.

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« Reply #1991 on: September 21, 2013, 09:58:09 PM »

damn verties, should all be rounded up and put in camps where everything is vertical, including the beds!
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« Reply #1992 on: September 21, 2013, 10:02:14 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 02:24:24 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 21, 2013, 02:18:50 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on September 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM

I'm not sure I agree that not being vertical is giving up a competitive edge...



By willfully not offering something that the competition is offering, they are not staying competitive. 

so if the ps4 came with a beer coozy, the xbox would not be competitive because it didn't also come with one?  I'm saying the feature isn't likely a bulletpoint of competitiveness for most people

Okay, since no one seems to be understanding the point here, let's use this ridiculous statement as an example.  If both the 360 and the PS3 had beer cozies and a fifth of their users actually found them not only useful but had actually built their entertainment center around them, and then the PS4 continued the trend and the Xbone decided those 20% weren't worth their effort, then, yes, they're not staying competitive.

In my earlier post, I said, "If this was the only moment for this launch that was like this, it might elicit a shoulder shrug from more people."  So, I certainly didn't mean that this was the "big issue" (though it is one of the factors for some folks), but it is another sign of how Microsoft is botching this launch.

And since I'm coming from 2 generations of Microsoft console support, it does make me a little mad.
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« Reply #1993 on: September 21, 2013, 11:46:18 PM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 21, 2013, 03:00:27 PM



It's the same reason that cars have wheels.  Without the extra airflow running beneath the chassis as it traveled, the engine would be much more prone to overheating.

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« Reply #1994 on: September 21, 2013, 11:56:58 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 21, 2013, 10:02:14 PM

In my earlier post, I said, "If this was the only moment for this launch that was like this, it might elicit a shoulder shrug from more people."  So, I certainly didn't mean that this was the "big issue" (though it is one of the factors for some folks), but it is another sign of how Microsoft is botching this launch.

And since I'm coming from 2 generations of Microsoft console support, it does make me a little mad.

Keep your entertainment center the way it is. Stay true to yourself.  Don't buy an xbox1 if it doesn't mesh with the decor you so meticulously laid out.  The most important aspect of a console is whether or not it makes your ass look fat.  And you are right, vertical IS slimming.
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« Reply #1995 on: September 22, 2013, 12:00:25 AM »

Holy fuckballs. Find me a single person who said 'Well I was absolutely going to buy a XBone but now that I can't stand that sumbitch vertical I'm totally out.' There is not a soul on the planet who has this as a decision making factor.
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« Reply #1996 on: September 22, 2013, 12:05:03 AM »

Quote from: YellowKing on September 21, 2013, 03:11:16 AM

New console, new rules. You can count the number of consoles that ever condoned vertical orientation on one hand.

it just occurred to me:  360, Wii, Wii U, Ps2, Ps3, Ps4....   

you can count them all on one hand.....

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« Reply #1997 on: September 22, 2013, 12:06:00 AM »

Quote from: gellar on September 22, 2013, 12:00:25 AM

Holy fuckballs. Find me a single person who said 'Well I was absolutely going to buy a XBone but now that I can't stand that sumbitch vertical I'm totally out.' There is not a soul on the planet who has this as a decision making factor.

I think we already found that person...

This might be the single silliest thing I've ever heard from either side of the fanboy fence.  (other than the weird cars have wheels to disperse heat thing)
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« Reply #1998 on: September 22, 2013, 01:44:29 AM »

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I think we already found that person...

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« Reply #1999 on: September 22, 2013, 02:30:41 AM »

I don't care if Intellivision has better graphics than my Atari. I don't like that goofy disc controller and Atari still rules.
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