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« Reply #1280 on: June 18, 2013, 06:55:21 AM »

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 06:52:11 AM

Well, Id say the big difference is, that it is not countries we are talking about, here several states, in the Homeland of Xbox, that it won't launch in. Its fine that there are countries that won't have access to it from the start, thats to be expected - But states in the US? Thats a shocker - to me at least!

You realize that's a joke, right?
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« Reply #1281 on: June 18, 2013, 06:58:51 AM »

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Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 06:52:11 AM

Well, Id say the big difference is, that it is not countries we are talking about, here several states, in the Homeland of Xbox, that it won't launch in. Its fine that there are countries that won't have access to it from the start, thats to be expected - But states in the US? Thats a shocker - to me at least!

You realize that's a joke, right?

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« Reply #1282 on: June 18, 2013, 07:02:02 AM »

That's what I get for not reading the link he posted. I thought Razgon was talking about the 21 countries thing, not the 21 states satirical article that followed (which I have also read before).
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« Reply #1283 on: June 18, 2013, 07:02:48 AM »

Well, what about them 49'ers, eh? What a game last night!
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« Reply #1284 on: June 18, 2013, 08:07:17 AM »

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 06:58:51 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on June 18, 2013, 06:55:21 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 06:52:11 AM

Well, Id say the big difference is, that it is not countries we are talking about, here several states, in the Homeland of Xbox, that it won't launch in. Its fine that there are countries that won't have access to it from the start, thats to be expected - But states in the US? Thats a shocker - to me at least!

You realize that's a joke, right?

Eh..well...have a nice day everyone! I'm off again!!

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« Reply #1285 on: June 18, 2013, 08:14:42 AM »

Guess you can forget about Iceland, but they pirate everything there anyway.
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« Reply #1286 on: June 18, 2013, 12:28:25 PM »

How sad is it that MS has made so many mistakes that Raz would even THINK this could be true.  (He may be slow, but I give him more credit than that on a normal day  icon_twisted )
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« Reply #1287 on: June 18, 2013, 12:45:28 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on June 18, 2013, 12:28:25 PM

How sad is it that MS has made so many mistakes that Raz would even THINK this could be true.  (He may be slow, but I give him more credit than that on a normal day  icon_twisted )

Dammit! I wish I could go back in time...well, for more than one reason, actually!
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« Reply #1288 on: June 18, 2013, 03:10:36 PM »

Gellar, I like the idea of being able to Skype while watching tv, or being able to clear through my DVR backlog while waiting for a friend to sign in to play a game. Id also like to be able to look up stuff on the web while I'm watching tv shows. Each to their own.

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« Reply #1289 on: June 18, 2013, 03:11:45 PM »

Actually, the is it possible relates to sending encrypted packets, not streaming video content.  But hey, you always need thehigh ground. Enjoy.

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« Reply #1290 on: June 18, 2013, 03:13:35 PM »

Were I in one of the areas that didn't have service day one, I'd be pretty pissed. I dont need the guide support for tv, but this other stuff? Its like their PR has the gun autolocked on their foot and don't know how to NOT pull the trigger.

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« Reply #1291 on: June 18, 2013, 03:56:51 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 07:02:48 AM

Well, what about them 49'ers, eh? What a game last night!
WHOS GOT IT BETTER THAN US!
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« Reply #1292 on: June 18, 2013, 03:57:52 PM »

Quote from: naednek on June 18, 2013, 03:56:51 PM

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 07:02:48 AM

Well, what about them 49'ers, eh? What a game last night!
WHOS GOT IT BETTER THAN US!

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« Reply #1293 on: June 18, 2013, 04:01:31 PM »

Quote from: Purge on June 18, 2013, 03:10:36 PM

Gellar, I like the idea of being able to Skype while watching tv, or being able to clear through my DVR backlog while waiting for a friend to sign in to play a game. Id also like to be able to look up stuff on the web while I'm watching tv shows. Each to their own.

Yeah fine ideas, just not $500 ideas for me (or even $100 ideas).  I have an iPad that sits on my coffee table for that purpose.  Or a phone in my pocket.

I mean ultimately I'm a guy with a reasonable amount of disposable income.  I'm looking for a reason to buy an XBone and I just can't find it yet.  Titanfall isn't enough to get me to spend $500 (and it's not even a launch title).  If I were a betting man though, I'd bet that the reason will come in the form of price decreases and the delivery of something special above and beyond the PS4.  I don't believe in promises; I'm in software development.  I'll believe it when I see it slywink.
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« Reply #1294 on: June 18, 2013, 06:03:55 PM »

video titled Microsoft's chief of interactive entertainment, Don Mattrick admits the xbox one was a "flop"

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« Reply #1295 on: June 18, 2013, 06:10:54 PM »

Quote from: gellar on June 18, 2013, 03:57:52 PM

Quote from: naednek on June 18, 2013, 03:56:51 PM

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 07:02:48 AM

Well, what about them 49'ers, eh? What a game last night!
WHOS GOT IT BETTER THAN US!

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« Reply #1296 on: June 18, 2013, 06:30:52 PM »

On the plus side at least their SuperBowl ring is terrible.
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« Reply #1297 on: June 18, 2013, 07:27:12 PM »

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On the plus side at least their SuperBowl ring is terrible.

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« Reply #1298 on: June 19, 2013, 01:39:52 AM »

Quote from: naednek on June 18, 2013, 03:56:51 PM

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 07:02:48 AM

Well, what about them 49'ers, eh? What a game last night!
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« Reply #1299 on: June 19, 2013, 01:47:30 AM »

Crap.  Last year's shirt that doesn't have most recent ring.  Here:

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« Reply #1300 on: June 19, 2013, 02:23:04 AM »

Heard a rumor today about how the sharing thing works on Xbox with the 10 member family thingie.  Seems pretty lenient if it's true.  Waiting for something official though
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« Reply #1301 on: June 19, 2013, 04:13:22 AM »

Quote from: Harkonis on June 19, 2013, 02:23:04 AM

Heard a rumor today about how the sharing thing works on Xbox with the 10 member family thingie.  Seems pretty lenient if it's true.  Waiting for something official though

There's official information out there. In general, the system can be summed up as not much more lenient than the traditional disc swapping, except distance is not a factor. Expect to check in against Microsoft's servers every hour when you use this, though this isn't something that was mentioned.
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« Reply #1302 on: June 19, 2013, 12:07:13 PM »

Now if I can convince Kato to make me part of his family I'll have access to EVERY GAME EVER MADE FOR THE SYSTEM!   ninja  But seriously, slow down on the purchases dude.  icon_twisted
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« Reply #1303 on: June 19, 2013, 08:00:51 PM »

Giant rumor popped up saying MS will reverse all their DRM plans in an announcement today. However the only reputable site that has reported it is giant bomb, with the original report coming from a no name place whatHiFi. That site may be fishing for hits though.

GB reports that their info comes from a reputable source but they've been wrong before.
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« Reply #1304 on: June 19, 2013, 08:03:18 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on June 19, 2013, 12:07:13 PM

Now if I can convince Kato to make me part of his family I'll have access to EVERY GAME EVER MADE FOR THE SYSTEM!   ninja  But seriously, slow down on the purchases dude.  icon_twisted

I'm fairly certain that I will include you, Jarrodhk, and a few others in the family share thingy. Now I won't feel as bad when I buy everything
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« Reply #1305 on: June 19, 2013, 08:09:47 PM »

can I be part of the Kato Klan Kinection?  see?  I even came up with something that will also have a cool acronym for clan tags!!
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« Reply #1306 on: June 19, 2013, 08:15:46 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on June 19, 2013, 08:00:51 PM

Giant rumor popped up saying MS will reverse all their DRM plans in an announcement today. However the only reputable site that has reported it is giant bomb, with the original report coming from a no name place whatHiFi. That site may be fishing for hits though.

GB reports that their info comes from a reputable source but they've been wrong before.

I really don't see that happening. Microsoft has way too much pride for that kind of thing. Not only would such a retreat make them look weak and like the whipping boy of Sony, but it would also go against everything we've seen of Microsoft in the past. It's not like this is new ground for them. They got heavily criticized for Windows 8 long before it was released, but never made any concessions. Only now, a year after its release, are they planning to give in to some of the demands, but even that they won't do fully.

No, they're going to ride this one out, at least until 6-12 months after release. Then we'll see.

Edit: Now having read the rumors, it's looking even less likely than I thought. These proposed changes would make the Xbox One even more open than the 360. Not going to happen.
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« Reply #1307 on: June 19, 2013, 08:19:53 PM »

It's now getting picked everywhere.

However original source may still be flawed
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« Reply #1308 on: June 19, 2013, 08:22:05 PM »

Of course it's flawed. Why on earth would Microsoft do this? They're already more or less sold out at launch due to their small stock of Xbox Ones, so it's not like they'd sell more early on if they went back on their policies. To paraphrase Michael Pachter: It's a profit deal. There's no profit here.
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« Reply #1309 on: June 19, 2013, 08:23:41 PM »

http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

I assume this site is real...
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« Reply #1310 on: June 19, 2013, 08:28:27 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on June 19, 2013, 08:23:41 PM

http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

I assume this site is real...

It should be.

Damn, if this is true I certainly hope people don't just instantly forgive them for their crap.
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« Reply #1311 on: June 19, 2013, 08:33:06 PM »

That link is apparently not fully updated, there's supposed to be another link that has properly updated info.

People will forgive them just like they forgave the massive hardware failures. Then again, my housemates will never touch an Xbox again after it failed twice on him in the middle playing his most anticipated games.

So, I think some damage has been done. Overall, while I was avoiding the Xbox anyway, this doesn't change my buying decisions, nor does it change much for Sony. They already did the damage they needed with the core, first adopters. All they have to do is follow up with games. All this means is I may be trying Xbox One games earlier rather than later.

Some Xbox defenders may have just exploded their heads, but in a good way. Overall it's good for console gamers to get one more generation of proper consoles. If there is a next gen, it will be purely PC-like. But that'll be okay then since people will be used to it.

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« Reply #1312 on: June 19, 2013, 08:35:40 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on June 19, 2013, 08:28:27 PM

Quote from: Turtle on June 19, 2013, 08:23:41 PM

http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

I assume this site is real...

It should be.

Damn, if this is true I certainly hope people don't just instantly forgive them for their crap.

Why not?  They had a bad idea.  Kudos on them for recognizing it and moving quickly to fix it.  Not often you see a behemoth like MSFT unfuck themselves in such a short amount of time.

It doesn't change things for me, but I really don't see what there is to forgive here.
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« Reply #1313 on: June 19, 2013, 08:39:18 PM »

Quote from: gellar on June 19, 2013, 08:35:40 PM

It doesn't change things for me, but I really don't see what there is to forgive here.

Their asshattery ("if you can't go online we have a console for you. It's called Xbox 360")? The always listening and mandatory Kinect? The higher price? The lower specs? The smug "you just don't understand what we're trying to do" without explaining what they're trying to do?

There's so much wrong with the Xbox One and Microsoft's treatment of it beyond the DRM.
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« Reply #1314 on: June 19, 2013, 08:41:01 PM »

Proper news should be here, but the site is getting pounded and the link doesn't work.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

What needs to be forgiven was the complete anti-consumer policies they originally had, which is indicative of an overall tone from the top that is anti-consumer. It's really not that hard to see that needs forgiving. Also, all the media they were putting out had a stubborn arrogance to it. Telling people to go buy 360s, for instance.

There's a reason why people have aversions to convicted felons, even if they have served their time. Sure, they have paid, and perhaps truly changed, but the initial sense of danger is there. Let's see if MS actually fully follows through.

This is just like the 360 red ring hardware situation. Way too quick to forgive, most likely only because people were set into the system. Now's the chance to chose beforehand. It wasn't the fact that they did replace MOST of the systems, but rather systems would be failing at high rates even after the warranty extensions, and they shouldn't be failing in the first place.

Also, keep in mind, it's still $100 over, still has Kinect required (not exactly a bad thing), and there are still grey areas in the wording of their backsteps.
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« Reply #1315 on: June 19, 2013, 08:43:18 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on June 19, 2013, 08:39:18 PM

Quote from: gellar on June 19, 2013, 08:35:40 PM

It doesn't change things for me, but I really don't see what there is to forgive here.

Their asshattery ("if you can't go online we have a console for you. It's called Xbox 360")? The always listening and mandatory Kinect? The higher price? The lower specs? The smug "you just don't understand what we're trying to do" without explaining what they're trying to do?

There's so much wrong with the Xbox One and Microsoft's treatment of it beyond the DRM.

There's still a lot not to like about the One for you and others, obviously, (for me its strictly the price tag) but I don't see the point in holding a grudge over this item specifically.  I mean Sony was equally (actually more) retarded for their PS3 launch and I'm not holding a grudge against them for that.

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« Reply #1316 on: June 19, 2013, 08:49:05 PM »

Quote from: gellar on June 19, 2013, 08:43:18 PM

Quote from: TiLT on June 19, 2013, 08:39:18 PM

Quote from: gellar on June 19, 2013, 08:35:40 PM

It doesn't change things for me, but I really don't see what there is to forgive here.

Their asshattery ("if you can't go online we have a console for you. It's called Xbox 360")? The always listening and mandatory Kinect? The higher price? The lower specs? The smug "you just don't understand what we're trying to do" without explaining what they're trying to do?

There's so much wrong with the Xbox One and Microsoft's treatment of it beyond the DRM.

There's still a lot not to like about the One for you and others, obviously, (for me its strictly the price tag) but I don't see the point in holding a grudge over this item specifically.  I mean Sony was equally (actually more) retarded for their PS3 launch and I'm not holding a grudge against them for that.

I held a grudge against Sony for two years after the PS3 launch debacle, so that's certainly not out of the question.
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« Reply #1317 on: June 19, 2013, 08:50:43 PM »

Just got into the update page. Here's the entire post:

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Your Feedback Matters Update on Xbox One
By Don Mattrick, President, Interactive Entertainment Business  posted June 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.


In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.


These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.


We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.


Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.
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« Reply #1318 on: June 19, 2013, 08:52:10 PM »

I am holding it against Sony. If they had tried to launch at $500, it would have been a PC only year. Likewise, if they hadn't shown a new controller, and had two announcement events that dealt with almost every flaw the PS3 had. Then again, if they hadn't done everything this new generation right, then MS would still have been in a position to keep this DRM scheme as people would avoid the PS4 for its faults. And in either case, I could certainly put $400 to upgrade my PC, or put it towards a new laptop.

I can concur with Tilt's PS3 grudge, I believe we went at it on these forums for quite some time. Of course, I took longer to develop the grudge. Tongue
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« Reply #1319 on: June 19, 2013, 08:55:07 PM »

Wow, they pretty much changed everything about their policies that sucked (except for the always on Kinect part). Now if only they would reduce the price to $399....
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