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« on: August 31, 2005, 10:04:32 PM »

Heck.  I know in the C64 version there was a bug I loved to exploit- you could keep sending a message to meet Armitage, and he would keep sending you 10,000 credits.  You just had to go meet him then get arrested, plea innocent, and get fined 500, then you could do it over and over until (I think) the end of the day.

At that point, I had enough to buy the top of the line deck or something.  I finished it a while ago on the DOS version, and forgot it doesnt work  frown

I don't think there is enough money in the game otherwise to get the top deck; guess I'll have to be content with the cyber-eyes.
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2005, 12:14:10 AM »

Think again ya Wilson!  You can hack two banks that give you more than enough money to buy the top of the line deck twice.  If you need a little assistance I an give you the coordinates and some instructions. smile
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2005, 03:08:49 AM »

[edit]damn, how do you post spoiler content which needs to be highlighted?

anyway, I poked around a FAQ, you probably meant the one later in the game.  With that Armitage cheat, I only needed one deck the entire game  smile   Oh well.

It's funny, I found my old (really old) notes for the game yesterday, so figured I would blow off some steam by playing it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2005, 03:26:29 AM »

put spoiler with brackets around it and then the same at the end of the spoiler, but with a slash in front of it...voila, spoiler area.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2005, 03:54:59 AM »

Spoiler for Hiden:
I went to bankgemein and got the $30k, then went to hosakacorp, uploaded ComLink 6.0 for $7,500, and added myself as a new employee.

By the second bank, do you mean Bank of Berne, later in the game, where you get $500k?


Ah, it worked.  Nice!

Hmm, now I remember why it was lean times with money on my last run through.  Without cheating, I can skip certain purchases and buy the Cyberspace VII, but there isnt much money left afterward, until the next cash infusion.

Given how much money there is in the second bank, maybe I shouldnt worry about only getting one deck.  Make life easier on myself.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2005, 05:24:41 AM »

Oh well, I got the Cyberspace VII anyway, I couldnt resist.

Edo should be kicked in the head with a steel boot!
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2005, 06:33:15 AM »

Well that's something strange I hadn't noticed before.  If you enter Cyberspace using ComLink, it charges you (this I knew).  But entering with Cyberspace 1.0 doesn't have a charge.  

That's why I was always running so low on cash!  I always used ComLink so I wasn't using redundant software.  DOH!
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2005, 07:24:58 PM »

I also need to mention how fricken awesome DOSBox is.  It's one of those apps I've had a long time and never used before.  Being able to play Neuromance in a window is great.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2005, 11:47:13 PM »



I'm always amazed at how easy the game is.  Fun, but easy.

Back in my C64 days, I would play the hell out of it, but I never figured out how to beat the AIs.  I forgot how far I got, it was pretty far, but obviously if you skip all the AIs you will not beat the game.

Well, I obviously ended up figuring it out after a while.  Fun game, it's too bad there are no more games like it.  System Shock was about as close to this 'flavor' as Ive seen.
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2005, 12:10:46 AM »

Nice!  I'll have to fire it up myself now...I am COMPELLED!
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2005, 01:57:13 AM »

I'm actually tempted to try going back with "Probe" and figuring out how much damage each software does.  

The only variable I can think of is the "ICE Breaking" skill, which goes up as you go thru the game.  I'll have to do a run and see if it's possible to finish without buying that skill, then trying to calculate the damage that way.

I already had good notes for the game, and made more (like the exact order to hit the databases in Cyberspace).  I might compile more stuff, especially if I feel like calculating the damage stats.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2005, 06:05:10 AM »

Neuromancer
Ultimate FAQ v1.3
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A. TABLE OF CONTENTS
B. WALKTHRU
C. CYBERSPACE DB ORDER
D. SOFTWARE LIST
E. PURCHASE PRICES
F. FUTURE UPDATES
G. VERSION HISTORY
H. LEGAL STUFF
-------------------------------------------------------

B. WALKTHRU

1. Use PAX, Send message to "Armitage" with your BAMA ID (056306118) for
    (+$10,000)
2. Withdraw money, "give" $46 to Ratz
3. Go to Pawn Shop.  Tell Shin you don't have money, take UXB.
4. talk to Shiva at Gentleman Loser, ask for "cryptology".  Ask about
    "Norton", get Guest Pass.  Buy Hardware Repair (-$1000).
5. use deck:

* L1- CHEAPO- COCKROACH (2/2)- edit bill (balance $1000), order caviar, edit
   bill (balance $1200).
* L1- REGFELLOW- VISITOR (1/2)- get BATTLECHESS 2.0
* L1- WORLDCHESS- MEMBER (2/3)- play Chess (+$250), get membership (-$150),
   play Chess (+$350).  BATTLECHESS 2.0 is no longer needed, so delete it.

6. Get caviar from Cheap Hotel
7. Go to Metro Holografix, ask for "joystick", purchase (-$20).  Ask about
    "chips", get ICE Breaking and Debug (-$2000).
8. Go to Crazy Edo's, give him caviar for ComLink 2.0
9. Go to House of Pong, "give" Joystick, get Sophistry and Zen
10. Return to Cheap Hotel, use Deck:

* L2- CHAOS - MAINLINE (2/3)- get ComLink 3.0
* L3- SOFTEN - PERMAFROST (1/2)- get Comlink 4.0, Sequencer 1.0
* L4- KEISATSU - SUPERTAC (2/2)- edit warrant: "Larry Moe", BAMAID "062788138"
* L4- LOSER - LOSER (2/?)- Download BlowTorch 1.0 and Hammer 1.0
* L4- EASTSEABOD - LONGISLAND (1/2)- get ComLink 5.0
* L5- YAKUZA - YAK (1/2) - get ComLink 6.0 and Decoder 1.0
* L6- BOZOBANK - [sequencer]- open account (-$1000)
* L5- BANKGEMEIN - VERBOTEN - transfer from account 646328356481 to
    Bozobank, (+$30,000) to your account 712345450134.
* L6- BOZOBANK - [sequencer]- download new funds (+31,000)
* L5- HOSAKACORP - FUNGEKI - upload ComLink 6.0 (+$7500), add your name +
    BAMA ID (056306118) to a New Employee record.

11. Go see Julius Deane, ask about "chips", and purchase Phenomenology
     and Philosophy (-$2000).

12. Matrix Restaurant- Buy Logic and Musicianship (-$2000).  Ask about
     "Upgrades", purchase Zen (L2), Hardware Repair (L2), and
     Debug (L2-4): (-$500).

13. Go to Hosaka and collect your paycheck (+$10,000)

14. By now, if you hurried, you should have over $52000.  Speak with Asano
      and insult Edo for a great discount!  With your funds, you can afford
      a Cyberspace VII ($44800), should you wish (and you should!).

15. You can now enter the Cyberspace portion of the game.  Should you have
      trouble getting through the ICE (and you shouldn't if you use the order
      listed), you can purchase "Drill 1.0" from Finn ($1500), which will
      give you a good leg up breaking ICE.

16. Be sure to pick up "Cyberspace 1.0" at the Panter Moderns.  This allows
      you to access cyberspace for NO CHARGE, unlike with ComLink 6.0; this
      way you can relax, take time to read stuff, etc.
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C. CYBERSPACE DB ORDER

# DB name - x,y - level,ICE str - AI name,AI str,Weakness
1 Panther Moderns - 224,112 - 0,132
2 Psychologist - 96,32 - 0,96 - Chrome [A],48,Philosophy
3 World Chess - 160,80 - 0,84 - Morphy ,96,Logic
4 Gentleman Loser - 416,64 - 1,150
5 S.E.A. - 352,64 - 1,149
6 Free Matrix - 352,112 - 1,150 - Sapphire[C],192,Sophistry
7 N.A.S.A - 448,32 - 1,150,Hal [D],384,Logic
8 Copenhagen U. - 320,32 - 1,149
9 HosakaCorp - 114,160 - 1,260
10 Free Sex Union - 288,208 - 2,400 - Xaviera [E],768,Phenomenology
11 D.A.R.P.O. - 336,240 - 3,400
12 Screaming Fist - 464,160 - 2,400
13 Bank of Berne - 336,160 - 2,400 - Gold [F],1536,Philosophy
14 Gridpoint - 160,320 - 2,800
15 Bell Europa - 384,288 - 2,1000
16 I.N.S.A - 448,320 - 2,1000
17 Nihilist - 416,368 - 2,1000
18 KGB - 112,416 - 2,1100 - Lucifer [G],3072,Logic
19 Maas Biolabs - 112,480 - 2,1100 - Sangfroid [H],6144,Phenomenology
20 Phantom - 320,464 - 3,2000 - Phantom ,24576,(BattleChess 4.0) or Logic
21 Tessier-Ashpool - 384,416,3,2000 - Wintermute [J],12288,Sophistry
22 Musabori - 208,208 - 1,260 - Greystoke [K],49151,Hemlock 1.0
23 Allard Tech. - 432,464 - 3,2000 - Neuromancer [L],49152,Philosophy then Kuang Eleven 1.0
- Asano Computing - 16,112 - 0,72
- Gemeinschaft - 304,320 - 1,1000
- Bank of Zurich - 336,368 - 1,1000
- Cheap Hotel - 112,112 - 0,84
- Consumer Review - 32,64 - 0,72
- Eastern Seaboard - 384,32 - 1,150
- Fuji Electric - 112,240 - 0,260
- Hitachi Biotech - 32,192 - 0,260
- I.R.S. - 272,64 - 0,149
- Central Justice - 416,112 - 1,150
- Tactical Police - 288,112 - 0,150
- Sense/Net - 48,320 - 2,800
- Turing Registry - 432,240 - 2,400
- Tozoku - 480,80 - 1,150
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D. SOFTWARE LIST

Software,Version,Type,Location
Acid,1.0,virus,Tozoku
Acid,3.0,virus,Nihilist
Acid,5.0,virus,Bell Europa
ArmorAll,1.0,Cyberspace shielding,Berne,Screaming Fist
ArmorAll,2.0,Cyberspace shielding,GridPoint
ArmorAll,3.0,Cyberspace shielding,INSA
ArmorAll,4.0,Cyberspace shielding,KGB
Battlechess,4.0,unknown,World Chess
BlowTorch,1.0,ICE breaker,Loser,Tozoku
BlowTorch,3.0,ICE breaker,Panthern Moderns,Tozoku
BlowTorch,4.0,ICE breaker,NASA
ComLink,3.0,system communications,Panthern Moderns
ComLink,4.0,system communications,Copenhagen,Soften
ComLink,5.0,system communications,EastSeaBod,Hosaka
ComLink,6.0,system communications,Tozoku
Concrete,1.0,ICE breaker,Hosaka
Concrete,2.0,ICE breaker,DARPO
Concrete,5.0,ICE breaker,KGB
Cyberspace,1.0,system communications,Panthern Moderns,Bell Europa
Decoder,1.0,ICE breaker,Copenhagen,Gemeinschaft,Tozoku
Decoder,2.0,ICE breaker,Panthern Moderns
Decoder,4.0,ICE breaker,NASA
Depth Charge,3.0,ICE breaker,Screaming Fist
Depth Charge,8.0,ICE breaker,KGB
DoorStop,1.0,ICE breaker,Copenhagen
DoorStop,4.0,ICE breaker,INSA
Drill,1.0,ICE breaker,Loser
Drill,2.0,ICE breaker,Tozoku
Drill,3.0,ICE breaker,DARPO
Easy Rider,1.0,unknown,Screaming Fist
Hammer,1.0,ICE breaker,Loser
Hammer,2.0,ICE breaker,I.R.S.
Hammer,4.0,ICE breaker,Hosaka
Hammer,5.0,ICE breaker,GridPoint
Hammer,6.0,ICE breaker,INSA
Hemlock,1.0,unknown,Phantom
Injector,1.0,virus,Loser
Injector,2.0,virus,Hosaka
Injector,3.0,virus,DARPO
Injector,5.0,virus,GridPoint,INSA,KGB
Jammies,1.0,interface corruptor,Copenhagen,I.R.S.
Jammies,2.0,interface corruptor,DARPO
Jammies,3.0,interface corruptor,GridPoint
Jammies,4.0,interface corruptor,KGB
KGB,1.0,unknown,Screaming Fist
Kuang Eleven,1.0,unknown,Musabori
LogicBomb,3.0,ICE breaker,INSA,Nihilist
LogicBomb,6.0,ICE breaker,KGB
Mimic,1.0,ICE bypass,I.R.S.
Mimic,2.0,ICE bypass,Hosaka
Probe,1.0,Cyberspace info,NASA
Probe,3.0,Cyberspace info,Loser
Probe,4.0,Cyberspace info,Copenhagen
Probe,10.0,Cyberspace info,Berne
Probe,15.0,Cyberspace info,KGB
Python,2.0,virus,NASA
Python,3.0,virus,Screaming Fist
Python,5.0,virus,Nihilist
Sequencer,1.0,password generator,Soften
Slow,1.0,interface corruptor,Loser
Slow,2.0,interface corruptor,Hosaka
Slow,3.0,interface corruptor,Screaming Fist,Berne
Slow,4.0,interface corruptor,Nihilist
Slow,5.0,interface corruptor,KGB
Thunderhead,1.0,virus,Panther Moderns,Psychologist
Thunderhead,2.0,virus,EastSeaBod,Soften
Thunderhead,3.0,virus,DARPO,GridPoint
Thunderhead,4.0,virus,Bell Europa
-------------------------------------------------------

E. PURCHASE PRICES

Asano
Base,Insult Edo,(Savings),RAM,Deck
1000,800,200,10,Blue Light Spec
1400,1400,0,5,188BJB
1800,1440,360,5,UXB
2000,1120,880,5,Hiki Gaeru
3600,2880,720,10,Gaijin
4400,3520,880,10,Ninja 2000
8400,6720,1680,12,Ninja 3000
10000,8000,2000,15,Edokko
18000,14400,3600,11,Cyberspace II
19200,15360,3840,18,Katana
22000,17600,4400,15,Cyberspace III
23100,18480,4620,20,Tofu
23300,18640,4660,20,Ninja 4000
28900,23120,5780,24,Shogun
32000,25600,6400,25,Ninja 5000
32500,26000,6500,25,Samurai Seven
56000,44800,11200,25,Cyberspace VII
-------------------------
Edo's
1000,10,Blue Light Spec
2000,5,Hiki Gaeru
3600,10,Gaijin
7200,10,ZXB
7500,11,350SL
7700,12,Bushido
8400,12,Ninja 3000
10000,18,Edokko
-------------------------
Finn
"Software"
750,1.0,Decoder
750,1.0,Blowtorch
1500,1.0,Drill
1500,1.0,Probe
100,1.0,ComLink

"chips"
1000,1,ICE Breaking
1000,1,Debug
-------------------------
Julius Deane
"Hardware"
30,Gas Mask

"Chips"
1000,1,Bargaining *
1000,1,Psychoanalysis *
1000,1,Phenomenology
1000,1,Philosophy

"Upgrades"
2500,2-4,Cryptology *
-------------------------
Larry Moe
"Chips"
100,1,Coptalk *
-------------------------
Lupus Yonderboy
"chips"
2000,1,Evasion *

"Sense/Net"
4000,Security Pass
-------------------------
Norton
"chips"
1000,1,Logic
1000,1,Warez Analysis *
1000,1,Musicianship

"Upgrades"
100,2,Zen
100,2,Evasion
100,2,Warez Analysis
100,2,Hardware Repair
100,2-4,Debug
-------------------------
Sense/Net
Code,ROM Construct
"0467839",Dixie Flatline
"6905984",Toshiro
"5521426",Rombo

* unnecessary.  Why?
Coptalk- can skip once you have all codes/passwords
Cryptology- can skip once you have all codes/passwords
Evasion- you wont run if you fight AIs in proper order
Bargaining- only gives discounts for buying back body parts
Psychoanalysis- can skip once you know AI weaknesses
Warez Analysis- not really useful.  You can get this from a ROM later on.
-------------------------------------------------------

F. FUTURE UPDATES

I need to toy around and figure out exactly how much damage programs do, and
that damage is modified by the ICE Breaking skill.  I know what the most
effective ICE Breakers are (that part is kind of easy), but the early and
mid-range is the part that needs info.  Not that the game is hard, but hey,
I like the game, and it's quantifiable data.

There is a version 4 Cryptology upgrade free from some database; I forgot
where and will find it.  I also need to add the other downloadable skill
upgrades.  Hmmm... I should also add 'free' stuff to pricing.  And the UXB
from Chin.

(done- 9/4/05) Will include walkthru info later, it's mostly written.

I think thats it.  Let me know if there is anything else you can think of.


G. VERSION HISTORY

1.0- 09/02/2005 - posted to Console Gold Forum (www.consolegold.com)
1.1- 09/02/2005 - had cost data I gathered but forgot to include in 1.0
1.2- 09/04/2005 - added in pre-cyberspace walkthru.
1.3- 09/05/2005 - Corrected amount of RAM for the Blue Light Special.
Added AI Weaknesses.  Added ROM Construct codes.
-------------------------------------------------------

H. LEGAL STUFF
This may be not be reproduced under any circumstances except for personal,
private use. It may not be placed on any web site or otherwise distributed
publicly without advance written permission. Use of this guide on any web site
or as a part of any public display is strictly prohibited, and a violation of
copyright.

All trademarks and copyrights contained in this document are owned by their
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2005, 07:44:40 AM »

Quote from: "unbreakable"
I also need to mention how fricken awesome DOSBox is.  It's one of those apps I've had a long time and never used before.  Being able to play Neuromance in a window is great.


What settings are you using for DosBox?  All this talk has made me want to play it again, so I'm giving it a go.  Have you ever played Circuit's Edge?  It's a game based on George Alec Effienger's When Gravity Fails novel.  Good stuff and worth a look since you enjoyed Neuromancer so much.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2005, 09:02:41 PM »

I just took all the defaults on DOSBox.  The game runs vanilla under XP, but not in a window (obviously).

Too bad I can't get DOSBox to run MOO2; for that I need VMWare or something (I have a copy somewhere, but I dont feel compelled to look for it), along with a virtual installation of the OS.

I've never heard of Circuit's Edge; I'll check into it.  Thanks for the suggestion!
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2005, 10:02:50 PM »

Just got my Shogun deck.  Headed into Cyberspace....
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2005, 06:56:37 AM »

You little man!  Real men jack in with an Ono-Sendai Cyberspace VII.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2005, 01:20:15 PM »

I would but I haven't cracked the big bank yet.  This is a 'mid grade' deck till I hit about zone 2
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2005, 04:00:19 PM »

Bank cracked, I have 500,000 bucks and a top of the line deck.  Next stop, CyberEyes. smile
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2005, 06:32:39 PM »

I'll update the FAQ with my mini walkthru.  It's easy to get the Cyberspace VII before you even enter cyberspace, and still have several thousand in change.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2005, 06:35:11 AM »

Ok, I added in the walkthru right up til getting to cyberspace.

If you follow my way, you will have over $52,000 before you hit cyberspace, so you can easily afford the Cyberspace VII.

I don't remember, but I may have finished the game without the cybereyes before.  You can also beat Phantom before (or after) you take on Wintermute, and it will net you a skill increase, but again, it isnt necessary since you will already be more than competant at that point.

I'm also going to check if I can get to Turing without killing any AIs.  That way, I can jack up the skills to lvl 5 and be even more ub3r!

[edit] PS, I changed the name of the FAQ.  It's now the Neuromancer Ultimate FAQ.
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2005, 08:29:29 AM »

Bah. I used your walkthrough to get myself into cyberspace, got beat fighting the Pyscho AI and the game froze on me and I didn't save.  The walkthrough's great though.  There are a few small things (like the UXB running out of room to download all the software you mention) but for the most part, it works like a charm.  I felt like I was missing too much of the story though.  Maybe I'll try it again.  

That said, all this has made me want to reread the book, so I'll go do that now. :wink:
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2005, 06:25:17 PM »

Would you like the walkthru more step-by-step?  I didn't include when to delete old files, but I can easily mention when certain software won't be needed anymore (battlechess 2.0 comes to mind).  Hopefully I don't need to mention deleting old versions of ComLink  :wink:

[edit] I should also put a disclaimer on the walkthru, it's mostly a sort of speed-run walkthru.

First-timers would need more stuff, like CopTalk and levels in Cryptology.  It would also involve getting arrested a lot, since you need info from the Massage Parlor.

[edit2] I'll also add in strategies for beating ICE and AIs.  In a nutshell, when you fight an AI, instead of using your programs you use skills.  The four Attack skills are Logic, Phenomology, Philosophy, and Sophistry.  Zen will refresh your brain during an AI attack; use it when your brain-wave meter goes red.
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2005, 10:09:34 PM »

If anybody wants to help out, see if you can get past HosakaCorp without defeating any AIs.  

I just don't see a way to do it, but if somebody can figure out how to do it, it would allow you to operate in Zone 3 and probably work up to Turing, where you can upgrade all your AI fighting skills to lvl 5 *BEFORE* even fighting an AI.  I can only get there by fighting 4 AIs, and thus already have lvl 5 (or higher) by the time I get there.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2005, 11:07:53 PM »

Man, this thread takes me way back.  This was the first game I ever finished on a PC.
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2005, 03:50:35 AM »

I'll give it a shot.   Know what is funny?  I never tried using Zen in cyberspace.  I took out all of the AIs in the game without Zen.  Thanks for the tip!
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2005, 07:30:51 AM »

My last playthough I only used it once, and I think it was in the last fight.  

If you get your skills higher by defeating Phantom, that might not even be necessary.

I figured I would write up this FAQ, because I love this game and *think* I rooted out all it's secrets (aside from having statistics for the program damage, but that too should be completed shortly).  It's kind of funny, because after searching around, NOBODY on the internet has that info, so it's really breaking new ground.  Breaking new ground on an old game, anyway  Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2005, 12:01:22 PM »

Make sure you get this to GameFaqs when you are done.  If nobody else has done it, it'd be a worthy addition. smile
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2005, 07:14:05 PM »

I'm sick of GameFAQs.  $100 says they reject it, and probably for "Lack of Content".

This will likely be a CG exclusive.
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2005, 09:14:45 PM »

I'm comfy with that.  biggrin
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