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« on: August 28, 2008, 06:40:00 PM »

no, i haven't got it yet, but mikeg has (see the mp coop thread) so this is more to get him started.

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 07:54:11 PM »

Why wont they release this on sat? There is no sunday UPS delivery.....
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 08:03:21 PM »

Hmm I saw this on sale at Target by me. Were they not supposed to have it out yet?  ninja
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 08:03:55 PM »

Quote from: HankRaptor on August 28, 2008, 07:54:11 PM

Why wont they release this on sat? There is no sunday UPS delivery.....
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It's street dated for Saturday so most stores should already have them in stock.  But if your ordering online, yeah you're probably screwed, though you might get lucky if they ship it early.  
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 08:22:42 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 28, 2008, 08:03:55 PM

Quote from: HankRaptor on August 28, 2008, 07:54:11 PM

Why wont they release this on sat? There is no sunday UPS delivery.....
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It's street dated for Saturday so most stores should already have them in stock.  But if your ordering online, yeah you're probably screwed, though you might get lucky if they ship it early.  

Everything I see has the street date as 8/31 (Sunday).
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 09:55:07 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on August 28, 2008, 08:22:42 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 28, 2008, 08:03:55 PM

Quote from: HankRaptor on August 28, 2008, 07:54:11 PM

Why wont they release this on sat? There is no sunday UPS delivery.....
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It's street dated for Saturday so most stores should already have them in stock.  But if your ordering online, yeah you're probably screwed, though you might get lucky if they ship it early.  

Everything I see has the street date as 8/31 (Sunday).

UPS delivers on Saturday, but not everyone would get it at the same time on Saturday.  Some stores might not get their shipment until close to close on Saturday.  It evens out the playing field.

Of course, they also might be releasing on Sunday (with a hold on reviews until release day) thinking that, given the holiday, many sites won't put their reviews online until Tuesday.  Of course, they'd only do that if they were worried that the game wasn't any good...
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 10:18:49 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 28, 2008, 09:55:07 PM

Of course, they also might be releasing on Sunday (with a hold on reviews until release day) thinking that, given the holiday, many sites won't put their reviews online until Tuesday.  Of course, they'd only do that if they were worried that the game wasn't any good...

Considering how cool the first game was, I have every belief that the sequel will rock just as much.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 11:02:55 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on August 28, 2008, 08:22:42 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 28, 2008, 08:03:55 PM

Quote from: HankRaptor on August 28, 2008, 07:54:11 PM

Why wont they release this on sat? There is no sunday UPS delivery.....
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It's street dated for Saturday so most stores should already have them in stock.  But if your ordering online, yeah you're probably screwed, though you might get lucky if they ship it early. 

Everything I see has the street date as 8/31 (Sunday).

Yep, you're right!  I meant Sunday. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 11:13:55 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 28, 2008, 09:55:07 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on August 28, 2008, 08:22:42 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 28, 2008, 08:03:55 PM

Quote from: HankRaptor on August 28, 2008, 07:54:11 PM

Why wont they release this on sat? There is no sunday UPS delivery.....
ODD


It's street dated for Saturday so most stores should already have them in stock.  But if your ordering online, yeah you're probably screwed, though you might get lucky if they ship it early. 

Everything I see has the street date as 8/31 (Sunday).

UPS delivers on Saturday, but not everyone would get it at the same time on Saturday.  Some stores might not get their shipment until close to close on Saturday.  It evens out the playing field.

Of course, they also might be releasing on Sunday (with a hold on reviews until release day) thinking that, given the holiday, many sites won't put their reviews online until Tuesday.  Of course, they'd only do that if they were worried that the game wasn't any good...

The game been in the store since Monday, some more trickled in on Tue, and Wed. All building up to this Sunday release date. More importantly I saw a box in the back while talking to the Assistant Manager "Warning don't open until 9/7/08" a EA branded tape covered the box.
The AM would not give me nothing more than a wink when I asked him to confirm if it is what I know it is......  Why do they make us wait like this shit........
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 12:04:10 AM »

wth comes out on sep 7th?! 

anyways, we need mikeg to come in here and make us all jealous that he got yet another game before everyone else.  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 12:15:18 AM »

Quote from: Caine on August 29, 2008, 12:04:10 AM

wth comes out on sep 7th?! 

anyways, we need mikeg to come in here and make us all jealous that he got yet another game before everyone else.  Tongue

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 12:15:40 AM »

Quote from: Caine on August 29, 2008, 12:04:10 AM

wth comes out on sep 7th?! 

I know exactly what they're keeping under wraps - The Price is Right.  ninja

EDIT: You bastard, posting before I could post my joke. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 12:52:51 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on August 29, 2008, 12:15:40 AM

Quote from: Caine on August 29, 2008, 12:04:10 AM

wth comes out on sep 7th?! 

I know exactly what they're keeping under wraps - The Price is Right.  ninja

EDIT: You bastard, posting before I could post my joke. Tongue

Also, that comes out on September 9.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 01:10:23 AM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2008, 12:52:51 AM

Quote from: Destructor on August 29, 2008, 12:15:40 AM

Quote from: Caine on August 29, 2008, 12:04:10 AM

wth comes out on sep 7th?! 

I know exactly what they're keeping under wraps - The Price is Right.  ninja

EDIT: You bastard, posting before I could post my joke. Tongue

Also, that comes out on September 9.

so don't include it on next weeks 'What are you buying this week?', cause the 9th is not next week  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 01:33:53 AM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2008, 12:52:51 AM

Quote from: Destructor on August 29, 2008, 12:15:40 AM

Quote from: Caine on August 29, 2008, 12:04:10 AM

wth comes out on sep 7th?! 

I know exactly what they're keeping under wraps - The Price is Rightninja

EDIT: You bastard, posting before I could post my joke. Tongue

Also, that comes out on September 9.

http://www.ebgames.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=spore
September 7th
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2008, 01:46:41 AM »

Anyone else not care two whits about spore?
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 01:50:18 AM »

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on August 29, 2008, 01:46:41 AM

Anyone else not care two whits about spore?

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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2008, 03:01:56 AM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on August 29, 2008, 01:50:18 AM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on August 29, 2008, 01:46:41 AM

Anyone else not care two whits about spore?

/raises hand

Same. Mercs2 has a great ad campaign that has made me want it...for PC though. Also today I was flipping through some gaming mag when a huge money looking foldout fell out with that mowhawked dude from the game on it..was the size of the mag or bigger smile
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2008, 03:38:50 AM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on August 29, 2008, 01:50:18 AM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on August 29, 2008, 01:46:41 AM

Anyone else not care two whits about spore?

/raises hand

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2008, 03:45:42 AM »

Enough Spore, more impressions.
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2008, 12:10:24 PM »

You want an impression, here is one and it's even a video review.  His basic assessment is that if you forget about realism and just play it to have fun and shoot crap up, it's fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwslq4VfovA
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2008, 12:42:41 PM »

Wait. It's not based in reality?  I'm out crybaby

There's a spot at 3:54 of that vid (didn't watch the whole thing) where he fires a rocket. Look at the palm tree react.  Neat!

This games looks hellah fun.

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2008, 12:46:45 PM »

Can't wait for Merc 2 to get in my hands...

That guy in the video review sounds a little hmm...how should I put it...retarded.

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Quote from: SensuousLettuce on August 29, 2008, 01:46:41 AM

Anyone else not care two whits about spore?

/raises hand

Me too. 

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2008, 12:48:43 PM »

Quote from: mikeg on August 29, 2008, 12:10:24 PM

You want an impression, here is one and it's even a video review.  His basic assessment is that if you forget about realism and just play it to have fun and shoot crap up, it's fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwslq4VfovA
Is that WBS?
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2008, 12:52:37 PM »

I've got my pre-order in (picked up the swag of knit cap and oversized comic book as well) and I've already briefed the wife that if she wants me to do anything around the house it had better be on Saturday.

I even made the ultimate sacrifice to assure more play time on the weekend... I took my wife to see Sisterhood of the Traveling Jeans 2 last night. On the way out of the theater we were next to this couple and my wife said to them that he ought to get a gold star for taking his girl to the movie. He said yeah, but now he needs to go see something with guns in it. I suggested that maybe there was a revival of "Apocalypse Now" in town. Since I took my wife to see Mama Mia! the previous week, I'm figuring that I can already pre-order our tickets to the Max Payne movie.
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2008, 01:19:38 PM »

Quote from: JuniorDan on August 29, 2008, 01:33:53 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2008, 12:52:51 AM

Quote from: Destructor on August 29, 2008, 12:15:40 AM

Quote from: Caine on August 29, 2008, 12:04:10 AM

wth comes out on sep 7th?! 

I know exactly what they're keeping under wraps - The Price is Rightninja

EDIT: You bastard, posting before I could post my joke. Tongue

Also, that comes out on September 9.

http://www.ebgames.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=spore
September 7th

No, jackass.  The Price is Right.
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2008, 01:40:18 PM »

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on August 29, 2008, 01:46:41 AM

Anyone else not care two whits about spore?
Not I.
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2008, 02:00:46 PM »

Can I care about both?
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2008, 02:11:00 PM »

Here's another take from another player.   It's long, but got some good info:



From the very beginning, Mercs 2 feels terribly unpolished. Glitches will jump at your face from all sides, and just about everything you've come to expect a game NOT to do still occurs in this game. Just to list a few other glitches I've witnessed:

- Fiona keeps giving me the tutorial speeches EVERYTIME I enter a new city/area, it seems to reboot every time I load up the game for some reason. It's so very annoying.

- When Ewan picks up some Oil/Ammunition/Money, it will VERY OFTEN, and I mean 7 out of 10 times, indicate that there was nothing to pick up, AND STILL give me the pick up. You can't even call up a pick up if there's nothing to pick up, so it makes no sense.

- The AI is rock hard DUMB. Pilots will keep trying to land on top of cars or half on a building, only to blow up. I've actually seen same faction choppers collide in the air and blow up.

- Saves don't work the way they're supposed to. At every reboot, I start without the weapons I had. Which is incredibly frustrating. Why do I say it's NOT a gameplay thing? Because the first couple of time I loaded up my game after turning off the system, I DID have all my weapons.

- Stuff disappears. It just disappears. There's an island FULL of things to blow up for the Allies, and I died. When I returned, the island was there, BUT NOT THE TARGETS. I died again, and there you go, it's back!

Anyway. Time to list the suspect gameplay decisions:

- The AI is just STUPID. I'll say it's both a glitch and a gameplay decision, because when you have AI that's THAT DUMB, it has to be accepted somewhere. My allies will jump in my way, all the time, and then attack me because the splash damage hurt them. Or they will drive in each other's way. Or they will try to jack my chopper when I land for a couple seconds, and then get pissed when I have to yank them out of the sky.

- Grenades are useless, because their trajectory is impossible to judge. These things bounce like basket balls, which makes them ridiculously hard to use.

- C4s are very useful, actually I prefer them to rockets, but same as grenade, their trajectory is a great tall arc, but no range. Either have me place them, or throw them far. But this in between thing is troubling me. Also, let me set more than one before having to blow them up. Please?

- The AI can see through walls, trees, they can see a couple of miles away, they can spot ANYTHING, ANYWHERE. It makes sneaking impossible, and renders flanking and such very frustrating to do.

- You can't buy weapons directly. I get it, you can just buy the different drops and them have them delivered, that's cool, but sometimes I'd like to save the time it takes for Ewan to get to me, go back, and come back. If I need to reload on C4, Rockets, and two guns (they're all in different drops)

- Air strikes that work with Smokes: WHY?! I understand if there was a light artillery strike, and a smoke would make sense. But seeing as how most strikes, starting with the weaker (BUT NOT LEAST AT ALL) Artillery strike, will essentially rip everything apart in a 3 blocks radius, and drop FAST (within 5 seconds)... Smokes have the same range of throw as grenades, read: short. 


And now, what the game DOES WELL:

- Insanely addictive. I could not stop playing, even with the many, MANY problems it has.

- FREAKING FUN.

- Panzercycle. Period.

- Guns actually FEEL different. Great. That was missing in the first game, and I'm glad they worked on that.

- C4.

- Jacking vehicles. From the boat's auto swim when close, to the tanks entertaining QTE, jacking is very graphic, and very fun.

- Boats. I never thought I'd like boats in a sandbox game. In a game period. Well damn, those BIG AA boats are so much fun. And the useless ability to walk around just makes it even better. A small detail but it just makes all the difference.

- Choppers. They work, but the AI has so many AAs around that you don't feel invulnerable, and for some reason it makes it worth it.

- Air Strikes. Wow. Just wow. So many of them, and the destruction they unleash is absurd.

- Comedy. The script is great. Just great.

- Multiple stories. I'm assuming. I played as Mattias the first run through, and every "actual" cutscene had Mattias in it, and the character actually talked "to" him, and not just a different character skin. Which makes me believe that the game has different cutscenes for the other two. Makes me want to replay even more.

- Long story. If it's entertaining, I never complain.

- A TON of side missions. A ton. Like, a lot. Many.

- You get so much money, and the oil system is so simple, that you don't have to be as conservative as you were in the first game. Drop away, most of that stuff is free anyway!

- Huge. Just huge. And it doesn't feel empty. Even the jungle is fun to go through, because there's stuff everywhere.

- Shanty Town. You need to see this thing. I know it's a simple of poverty and everything that's wrong with the world, but damn, they made it look so good. Good as in, I believe it.

So yeah.

Overall, Mercenaries 2 has its share of problems. I'd say 20% of the game is problematic. It's glitchy as hell, and it definitely could have been polished a lot more. But you know what? I still played it 20+ hours apparently (I really doubt it though), and can not wait to get my 360 back tomorrow to go online and restart a game (was playing the Ps3 version).

The game is ridiculous FUN, even though it's flawed. I'm confident it's stuff they can fix with patches (probably "heavier" patches, as in several hundred Mbs), and hopeful they will.
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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2008, 02:23:20 PM »

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but some of those flaws are looking like deal breakers to me.

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- The AI is rock hard DUMB. Pilots will keep trying to land on top of cars or half on a building, only to blow up. I've actually seen same faction choppers collide in the air and blow up.

- Saves don't work the way they're supposed to. At every reboot, I start without the weapons I had. Which is incredibly frustrating. Why do I say it's NOT a gameplay thing? Because the first couple of time I loaded up my game after turning off the system, I DID have all my weapons.

- Stuff disappears. It just disappears. There's an island FULL of things to blow up for the Allies, and I died. When I returned, the island was there, BUT NOT THE TARGETS. I died again, and there you go, it's back!

- The AI is just STUPID. I'll say it's both a glitch and a gameplay decision, because when you have AI that's THAT DUMB, it has to be accepted somewhere. My allies will jump in my way, all the time, and then attack me because the splash damage hurt them. Or they will drive in each other's way. Or they will try to jack my chopper when I land for a couple seconds, and then get pissed when I have to yank them out of the sky.

- Grenades are useless, because their trajectory is impossible to judge. These things bounce like basket balls, which makes them ridiculously hard to use.

- The AI can see through walls, trees, they can see a couple of miles away, they can spot ANYTHING, ANYWHERE. It makes sneaking impossible, and renders flanking and such very frustrating to do.

have you ran into these issues Mike?
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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2008, 02:40:49 PM »

Yes Mike where are your thoughts?  Those are some grave concerns indeed.
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2008, 03:05:20 PM »

To be honest, after reading some of those right after I got my copy I have been scared to open it.  Not so sure I want to keep it now.  I have no doubt, at a lower price point, I could get enjoyment out of the game, but it is getting harder and harder for me to justify full price for some of the things I hear about in these games.  But if a patch is released in the first few weeks, well, that might change everything.   I have 30 days at Target to return it, so I am not sweating it right now, but I doubt I will provide any first hand impressions on this one. 

Like some of you have stated, some of those issues, especially dumb AI from friendlies and enemies, is becoming unforgiveable for me.  To me, that is what needs to be the major focus for 'next-gen' games.  Not graphics so much or 800 online modes.  Make the enemies and npc's smart, act, and react more like real people would.
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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2008, 03:13:01 PM »

well crap, who's going to be our guinea pig now?

hey, wbs!  icon_twisted
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2008, 04:28:49 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on August 29, 2008, 03:13:01 PM

well crap, who's going to be our guinea pig now?

I'm getting it no matter what. I'm burned out on my current games and am not sure that Spore is what I'm looking for, unless amoebas come outfitted with mini-nukes, machine pistols and cigars.

I have studiously avoided almost all the preview hype, but I do have a question. I know there is co-op gameplay on the same maps, but is there a multiplayer aspect to the game? Deathmatch, stuff like that?
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2008, 04:51:43 PM »

I believe the answer is no.
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2008, 04:53:17 PM »

wow mike, those kind of things make me a bit wary too.  there's even things which were much better in mercs 1.  you could place multiple c4 and blow them all up at once. (made some missions much eaiser as you could get far enough away before getting into trouble)  sneaking was actually possible, although i never did much of it, and using smoke for air strikes?  what, did they cut the laser pointer altogether?  if so, that's pretty damn stupid. 

combine that with the ai, save wonkiness, disappearing items, and  lack of polish and it kind of leaves a bad shadow over this game.  i really hope this is not the case throughout the game. 

there is full coop throughout roscoe.  one of the biggest additions to the game.  i wonder if they did that part right.  not sure about competitive versions or the details around coop though.
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2008, 05:00:59 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2008, 06:06:24 PM »

THe only versions of the game that leaked early are the PS3 ones. Historically, PS3 ports are always glitchy pieces of shit, so thats not entirely a shock.

360 was the original console platform it was developed for, so I imagine it'll have alot of boons over the Ps3 edition. Some of those "glitches" are so laughbly simple, I can't imagine how Pandemic would allow those to
go through bug testing...
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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2008, 06:09:38 PM »

Wasn't this one made by a different group, not to mention a different publisher?
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2008, 06:16:46 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2008, 06:09:38 PM

Wasn't this one made by a different group, not to mention a different publisher?

Both Mercs 1&2 were developed by Pandemic.  Mercs 1 was published by Lucasarts and Mercs 2 by EA. 
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