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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2007, 06:39:17 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on June 21, 2007, 06:23:09 PM

I am sorry but Take 2 had to know that neither Nintendo or Sony will allow a 3rd party developer to release an AO game on thier systems.  This just screams publicity stunt to me.  I would wager they already had an M rated version of the game ready but submitted a version so outrageously over the top to get the huge publicity.

Again - unless this is the case where a single scene can be cut to make the difference, it would be insanely stupid to create an AO version as a publicity stunt.  There's too much at stake - they knew that AO would be the kiss of death for the game, and probably just thought they were butting up against the bar rather than exceeding it.
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2007, 08:25:56 PM »

Well, the way desribed as "gaming" the rating system is actually standard operating procedure in "gaming" the movie rating system.  So it wouldn't surprise me much if that was what they did in order to make sure they get an M rating.

I really doubt it was a publicity stunt, however, since publicity (as Take Two is fully aware) is something that doesn't produce predictable results.
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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2007, 08:31:00 PM »

This doesn't look like it's going to be easy for them to revise:

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“Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing,” said David Cooke, the board’s director. “There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/20/arts/20vide.html?ex=1183089600&en=c4ba6bc22fe00e3b&ei=5040
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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2007, 12:26:48 AM »

What's to prevent them from releasing the game anyway without the seal of approval? 
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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2007, 01:58:21 AM »

Quote from: Harkonis on June 22, 2007, 12:26:48 AM

What's to prevent them from releasing the game anyway without the seal of approval? 

In the US I would say distributors and retailers who won't take take the game, meaning it doesn't get into stores and to the customers.  I'm not sure how some of the other markets work, but it may be illegal to distribute it in places like Germany and the UK.

I think you guys are underestimating the amount of time and money it would cost to create the game with the content and systems intact and then to remove it.  It isn't as simple as an extra couple days in the editing bay for a movie which already has lots of extra footage and alternate takes and is already being edited for time, pacing, content, etc. 
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« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2007, 02:41:03 AM »

http://wii.ign.com/articles/798/798779p1.html

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"Take-Two's decision to temporarily suspend distribution of Manhunt 2 is a victory for parents and children," the statement reads. "Because of the their thoughtful decision to give Manhunt 2 its strongest rating, 'Adults Only,' the ESRB has sent a strong message to Take-Two and other game makers that they no longer can push the envelope on gratuitous violence in videogames. The ESRB showed real leadership in assigning this rating and further evidence it is making significant progress in keeping extremely violent and graphic materials out of children's hands."

I mean, who the hell are these people!? This is ridiculous. The only message the ESRB sent was that exceptionally violent games are going to get stricter ratings, if the context is out of whack. What is really sad is that A; these people assume that gaming is a child's hobby, when ALL evidence points to the 18 to 35 year old male making up the bulk of the demographics, and B; the retail system is so effed up that kids can be allowed to buy even M rated games., oh and C; since when the fuck did it become the ESRB's job to parent people's children. It's crap like this that bugs the hell out of me. Especially when the group is basing their opinions on the same online trailers we've all seen, in which very little gameplay is actually shown. R*'s reputation truly hurts them, and hopefully they fight like hell against this.

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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2007, 05:26:01 AM »

Quote from: Tebunker on June 23, 2007, 02:41:03 AM

http://wii.ign.com/articles/798/798779p1.html

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"Take-Two's decision to temporarily suspend distribution of Manhunt 2 is a victory for parents and children," the statement reads. "Because of the their thoughtful decision to give Manhunt 2 its strongest rating, 'Adults Only,' the ESRB has sent a strong message to Take-Two and other game makers that they no longer can push the envelope on gratuitous violence in videogames. The ESRB showed real leadership in assigning this rating and further evidence it is making significant progress in keeping extremely violent and graphic materials out of children's hands."

I mean, who the hell are these people!? This is ridiculous. The only message the ESRB sent was that exceptionally violent games are going to get stricter ratings, if the context is out of whack. What is really sad is that A; these people assume that gaming is a child's hobby, when ALL evidence points to the 18 to 35 year old male making up the bulk of the demographics, and B; the retail system is so effed up that kids can be allowed to buy even M rated games., oh and C; since when the fuck did it become the ESRB's job to parent people's children. It's crap like this that bugs the hell out of me. Especially when the group is basing their opinions on the same online trailers we've all seen, in which very little gameplay is actually shown. R*'s reputation truly hurts them, and hopefully they fight like hell against this.




in the papers in the UK yesterday,there was a feature on BBFC's decision to ban manhunt 2...and one woman was saying that the BBFC's decision will save lives

sorry,but when i readi that i found it just ridiculous
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« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2007, 01:27:08 PM »

In the end will they really care much about a little video game that has zero impact to the world? When they're lying on their death beds will they say, "God damnit Troy, I may be dying but atleast I stopped Manhunt 2 from being released." Seriously, do these censors really think they're god's gift to the world and that what they're doing really fucking matters?  You work in the entertainment industry, you're not saving little one legged children from the plague. 

Although, Manhunt was a shitty game anyhow so I don't care if its sequel is released or not.  However if this were about the next Final Fantasy I'd be setting fire to the ESRB headquarters. Why fire? Cause after playing the Overlord demo I have a desire to light shit on fire. Oh and to spawn imps and make them kill pumpkins and wear the remains of said pumpkins as hats.

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« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2007, 02:02:14 PM »

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GAMES_MANHUNT_2?SITE=PAPIT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=home.htm

AP report about this and what some analysts think.
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« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2007, 02:32:31 AM »

Quote from: Sparhawk on June 23, 2007, 01:27:08 PM

In the end will they really care much about a little video game that has zero impact to the world? When they're lying on their death beds will they say, "God damnit Troy, I may be dying but atleast I stopped Manhunt 2 from being released." Seriously, do these censors really think they're god's gift to the world and that what they're doing really fucking matters?  You work in the entertainment industry, you're not saving little one legged children from the plague. 

See, the problem is you are trapped in the mindset of someone who believes their efforts should produce positive, meaningful results.  This is more about some idiot feeling smug about stopping someone from releaseing a game (or movie or whatever it maybe).
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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2007, 03:52:30 PM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 22, 2007, 01:58:21 AM

Quote from: Harkonis on June 22, 2007, 12:26:48 AM

What's to prevent them from releasing the game anyway without the seal of approval? 

In the US I would say distributors and retailers who won't take take the game, meaning it doesn't get into stores and to the customers.  I'm not sure how some of the other markets work, but it may be illegal to distribute it in places like Germany and the UK.

I think you guys are underestimating the amount of time and money it would cost to create the game with the content and systems intact and then to remove it.  It isn't as simple as an extra couple days in the editing bay for a movie which already has lots of extra footage and alternate takes and is already being edited for time, pacing, content, etc. 

That's only true if they didn't plan to remove content.  If they designed things with the plans of a publicity stunt (like an "extra" level that had over the top content) it could be easily fixed.
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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2007, 09:36:56 AM »

I have played the leaked beta for some time now and it is much better than the first one, it is more violence than the first game but it's not that bad tbh.

Great game even tho some cut scenes is missing sound in this version.
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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2007, 06:36:21 PM »

there's a youtube video floating around with a few of the more gory kills shown.  it is still as over the top as it was in mh1.  now the blood looks better. 
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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2007, 09:33:32 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on June 23, 2007, 05:26:01 AM

Quote from: Tebunker on June 23, 2007, 02:41:03 AM

http://wii.ign.com/articles/798/798779p1.html

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"Take-Two's decision to temporarily suspend distribution of Manhunt 2 is a victory for parents and children," the statement reads. "Because of the their thoughtful decision to give Manhunt 2 its strongest rating, 'Adults Only,' the ESRB has sent a strong message to Take-Two and other game makers that they no longer can push the envelope on gratuitous violence in videogames. The ESRB showed real leadership in assigning this rating and further evidence it is making significant progress in keeping extremely violent and graphic materials out of children's hands."

I mean, who the hell are these people!? This is ridiculous. The only message the ESRB sent was that exceptionally violent games are going to get stricter ratings, if the context is out of whack. What is really sad is that A; these people assume that gaming is a child's hobby, when ALL evidence points to the 18 to 35 year old male making up the bulk of the demographics, and B; the retail system is so effed up that kids can be allowed to buy even M rated games., oh and C; since when the fuck did it become the ESRB's job to parent people's children. It's crap like this that bugs the hell out of me. Especially when the group is basing their opinions on the same online trailers we've all seen, in which very little gameplay is actually shown. R*'s reputation truly hurts them, and hopefully they fight like hell against this.




in the papers in the UK yesterday,there was a feature on BBFC's decision to ban manhunt 2...and one woman was saying that the BBFC's decision will save lives

sorry,but when i readi that i found it just ridiculous

Ban it.  Censor it.  Burn it.  Who cares.  Why does anyone need to, or have the right to "enjoy" the simulation of horrifically and graphically murdering another human being?  Games like this, torture porn movies, etc...  what value do they have to society?  What possible positive effects could they have on the world, even as raw entertainment? 

I worry about people in our society that WANT to play a game like this, or see a movie like Hostel 2.  Why?  How can anyone find pleasure in watching an image of a human being, an image that's programmed or acted to simulate a terrified, real human being, get horrifically slaughtered?  Why should we protect the rights of people to watch or participate in such things?   

I could care less about slippery slope arguments and all the rest that leads our 'me first' generation to freak out about censorship.  Something like this crosses the line as far as I'm concerned, and the fewer people that have access to it the better off our world would be.  We've squandered our right to freedom by taking enjoyment in crap like this, in my opinion.
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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2007, 10:09:08 PM »

Well said.
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