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« on: June 02, 2004, 06:04:34 PM »

Well, maybe your games are overpriced!  There's a news flash. slywink

Seriously, I paid 10 bucks for the original Splinter Cell used and that was a steal, but I can't drop a fifty every other month to play games.  Codemasters and their $20-30 dollar games are winning me over, but I'll wait a few months if it means saving that much when the price drops.

Good games don't get worse as time goes by, do they?  Even the better Xbox LIve enabled games are still playable if they've been made well - MechAssault, RtCW and the ESPN games are examples of that.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2004, 06:36:41 PM »

There are some games I'll drop the cash on on day one.  Suikoden IV, FSW, etc.  There are many that I just can't risk it since there is no such thing as a return policy at Eb anymore. :/
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2004, 06:44:55 PM »

The Good Games never get bad.

I didn't play Halo until this year.  Still blew my mind.

Ninja Gaiden will still be good in 8 months or a year when it goes platinum and sells for 20.

I'm biting my lip trying not to buy FSW day one, as I've got an appropriately long backlog.

I also covet Chronicles of Riddick, but will wait for that too.

Halo2 may have to wait as well, but that collector's edition has me sweating.  Gaiden was the last new game I bought day one, but it was a pre-order 4 game trader first day buy.

If there was an FSW trade in, I'd do that in a second...

Good games never die!
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2004, 06:49:10 PM »

I'm right there with you. I'll continue to buy games both new, and used. In some cases, I'll even buy a used game, that I may not otherwise have considered purchasing, because it happens to be at a lower price point.

Now, Beyond Good & Evil is a bit of an oddity, since it dropped to $19.99 so fast. And, if I had a choice between purchasing it new at $19.99, or used at $17-15.99, I'd of course buy it new (which I did). But there's no way in hell the reason the game sold so poorly is because the people were buying that specific game USED. Blame the marketing dept. on lack of advertising. Hell, I didn't even know about the game until I repeatedly heard of it on the GG boards.

And finally, I'm left to wonder whether the author is blaming the consumer or the retailer? So it's our fault that the retailer pays nothing and gets everything? Sure, they should fork over some of the profits. Bottom line is, though, I'm a consumer. I just want to enjoy the games. I also don't lay golden eggs so I can buy everything ASAP. For some titles, I wait 'till they drop in price, and then buy them.

Here's a counterpoint - since said the retailers are responsible for distributing these games to the consumer, then wouldn't it be a good thing that they get the coinage for used games, so they can expand on their service and not go out of business? Not that I agree with that completely, but...

Anyways, whatever the case may be, I'll continue to buy it used.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2004, 07:20:02 PM »

Call your local EB, ATB.  Mine is having a four for 1 thing on FSW.  

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2004, 07:21:35 PM »

Oh, and I think I just broke a record for communicating in acronyms.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2004, 08:59:06 PM »

It's not a full four for one. It's four and get 40 bucks off. I just did it, came in handy, beat a couple of games this weekend and to the store they went.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2004, 09:28:47 PM »

The points they make in that article are good ones.  The idea has nothing to do with morality though.  If you want to buy a used game theres nothing wrong with that.  Just know that your money isn't going to the people responsible for making the game and they're not getting any support.  If you'd really like to support a game developer's efforts then buy a game new to try and promote sequels and more work from the same hard working people.

That is all.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2004, 09:47:17 PM »

BG&E was a fantastic game that was not marketed properly.  I had NO idea what the hell this game was about until I took a risk and played it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2004, 03:39:30 AM »

The article failed to point out that (at least around here) stores tend to stock way more used games than new ones.  I am not always looking for the latest title so I am forced to buy used.  an entire wall of the EB in the mall is used PS2, so many that they have bins full of them.  There are far more used Xbox than new.

I am sure EB would love to cut out new game sales entirely if they could somehow get away with it.  There is so much money to be made in the used trade that they only need new games to entice people into the store.  It's not like you can't find a half-dozen copies of even the hottest new title used for $5 less a week after release.

I wouldn't pay $2 less for a used title than a new one, but it's not like I have a choice.  My tastes are just too varied to buy one new game when I can get two games that were hot just months ago for the same price.  I used to only want new, factory-sealed stuff.  Then I got a job and started paying my own bills.  Shelling out your own limited income changes that real quick.

The one thing about used games is that I demand a manual.  I also check to make sure the disc looks good.  So far the only problem I've had is a GBA game with a dead battery.  No problem on the exchange.  I wouldn't buy a used console, but the companies (except Nintendo) don't make money on those anyway.

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2004, 04:28:55 AM »

Yeah, if it's only two or five bucks difference, you may as well go new - but for anything beyond that, I'll take used.  There's just no reason to pay so much unless it's a title I'm completely ga-ga over.  Splinter Cell 2 was the last new game I bought, but I think I traded stuff in to knock the price down.  $50 is a lot of cha-ching.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2004, 05:47:27 AM »

The problem with games is that most games sell the majority of the copies that they're ever going to sell within the first two weeks of thier release.  After that, the numbers take a serious nose dive, even for the most popular games.  Stores then have to decide if it's worth stocking brand-new copies of a wide selection of older games that probably won't sell and won't generate much profit when they do, or to stock those older titles as used, and make more money off of them.

Really, it usually works out for both parties.  Stores make more money, which allows them to stay in business.  The customer who's buying that older, used game is usually looking for a deal, and used games are cheaper.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2004, 12:32:39 PM »

here's an argument for waiting for price drops:

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/236125.asp

Breakdown and Dead to Rights together for $20.  That's a great deal!
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2004, 04:55:29 PM »

What games did you trade in bunk? do they have those crazy exclusive lists for this one? I probably could find four games I dont want, but I would have to try smile
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2004, 05:06:51 PM »

One of the reasons I got my XBOX and GBA was that I could sell and buy used games easier than with PC games.

While I do buy a lot of used games, I'll also buy new games with the money I got from trading in old games. If I was unable to sell the old games I would not have bought the new game.

Like others have said, I also compare the cost of used vs new and will go with new if there is not much difference.
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2004, 05:39:20 PM »

I provide the service of removing used games from circulation. The developers should thank me!
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2004, 05:53:52 PM »

Well, here is an example where they MADE money from a used game.  I picked up Syberia for the Xbox used.  My wife and I loved the game and purchased the sequel on the PC sight unseen for full price brand newsky.  Because I gave the previous game the time of day as a used title, they got maximum gross profit from me for the PC sequel.
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2004, 06:07:56 PM »

My EB says that no such trade in deal exists here frown
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2004, 09:36:51 PM »

There's a coupon you need to use from the new issue of GMR magazine.  It's got Kingdom Hearts 2 on the cover.  They should have copies of the magazine in store, but they may not know about the coupon.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2004, 10:50:03 PM »

definately in the mag and employees definately don't know about it.

I actually changed my mind at the last minute and only traded in Ninja Gaiden, Wario World and Pitfall Harry, all of those count for the deal and I knew 1080 counted as well.

So Rage if you have games from the past 3 or 4 months or so you'd be good.
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2004, 01:38:32 AM »

I'm glad to see that the article I posted has generated this much discussion.  I admit, I don't pick up used games very often unless it's the only way to get a game or it is significantly cheaper than used.  I also admit that a $20 game is much easier to impulse buy than something for $50.  Most of the time I wait.

It's still cheaper than getting a new computer though.
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